hellfish6 7 Posted February 18, 2003 I have a pair of DCUs sitting on a hangar in my closet. The BAS version of them looks dead-on accurate. They've even got the coloring of the suede desert boots right (which darken as sweat and other foul things like blood and oil collect on them). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 18, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hellfish6 @ Feb. 18 2003,09:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have a pair of DCUs sitting on a hangar in my closet.<span id='postcolor'> I would have thought you would put them on before playing OFP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.o.R.S.u 0 Posted February 18, 2003 Isn't the Masterkey firing a bit too fast? You can fire it as fast as you can click left mouse button thus making it full auto shotgun. I have no idea of the real weapon though, but I assume it can't be fired so fast. About the M249 sound, I think the best sound I've heard is from Gimbal's ancient FN Minimi addon. I replaced BAS' sound with that and now it sounds much better. I'm not sure if this addon can be downloaded anymore, but I still have it. If someone wants the sound I can send it . Also the M240 sounds rather wierd, I replaced its sound with DoD .30cal sound, no idea if its accurate but sounds very beefy . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 18, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hellfish6 @ Feb. 16 2003,22:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">UNIT CLASS NAMES ***************************** WOODLAND DELTA: BAS_DeltaMK BAS_DeltaRTO BAS_DeltaTeamLeader BAS_DeltaOperator BAS_DeltaOperatorGL BAS_DeltaSniper BAS_DeltaMGunner BAS_DeltaOperator2 WOODLAND DELTA COVERT: BAS_DeltaTeamLeaderS BAS_DeltaATS BAS_DeltaOperatorS BAS_DeltaOperator2S BAS_DeltaRTOS BAS_DeltaSniperS WOODLAND RANGER: BAS_RangerOfficer BAS_Ranger BAS_RangerGL BAS_RangerMGunner BAS_RangerHvyMG BAS_RangerAA BAS_RangerAT BAS_RangerLD BAS_RangerSniper BAS_RangerMedic BAS_RangerMK BAS_RangerRTO WOODLAND RANGER COVERT: BAS_RangerOfficerS BAS_RangerS BAS_RangerATS BAS_RangerLDS BAS_RangerRTOS BAS_RangerMedicS .................... STANDARD SOLDIERS: BAS_Soldier BAS_SoldierDES<span id='postcolor'> Could someone describe the exact differences between many of these units. I mean, I have no idea what's an MK, RTO, GL, LDS (Laser Designator?). Is a teamleader the same as an officer? What are all these operators? Operator2? OperatorGL? What is a standard soldier versus any of the others? Any pilots? What comes closest in concept to OFP's saboteur units? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Communist Soldier 0 Posted February 18, 2003 What about the skill settings? If you place a group of rangers or delta's, the skill is set to 1 or to the lowest level. Aren't these guys supposed to be skilled? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Communist Soldier 0 Posted February 18, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Feb. 18 2003,10:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hellfish6 @ Feb. 16 2003,22:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">UNIT CLASS NAMES ***************************** WOODLAND DELTA: BAS_DeltaMK BAS_DeltaRTO BAS_DeltaTeamLeader BAS_DeltaOperator BAS_DeltaOperatorGL BAS_DeltaSniper BAS_DeltaMGunner BAS_DeltaOperator2 WOODLAND DELTA COVERT: BAS_DeltaTeamLeaderS BAS_DeltaATS BAS_DeltaOperatorS BAS_DeltaOperator2S BAS_DeltaRTOS BAS_DeltaSniperS WOODLAND RANGER: BAS_RangerOfficer BAS_Ranger BAS_RangerGL BAS_RangerMGunner BAS_RangerHvyMG BAS_RangerAA BAS_RangerAT BAS_RangerLD BAS_RangerSniper BAS_RangerMedic BAS_RangerMK BAS_RangerRTO WOODLAND RANGER COVERT: BAS_RangerOfficerS BAS_RangerS BAS_RangerATS BAS_RangerLDS BAS_RangerRTOS BAS_RangerMedicS .................... STANDARD SOLDIERS: BAS_Soldier BAS_SoldierDES<span id='postcolor'> Could someone describe the exact differences between many of these units. I mean, I have no idea what's an MK, RTO, GL, LDS (Laser Designator?). Is a teamleader the same as an officer? What are all these operators? Operator2? OperatorGL? What is a standard soldier versus any of the others? Any pilots? What comes closest in concept to OFP's saboteur units?<span id='postcolor'> GL= Grenadlauncher LDS= Laser designator MK= Masterkey Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio 0 Posted February 18, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Feb. 18 2003,10:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Could someone describe the exact differences between many of these units. I mean, I have no idea what's an MK, RTO, GL, LDS (Laser Designator?). Is a teamleader the same as an officer? What are all these operators? Operator2? OperatorGL? What is a standard soldier versus any of the others? Any pilots? What comes closest in concept to OFP's saboteur units?<span id='postcolor'> AFAIK.... GL = Group Leader, also TL = Team Leader, and SL = Squad Leader. MK = Masterkey (?) RTO = Radio Operator LDS = Laser Designator Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiNs_Da_Smoka 0 Posted February 18, 2003 Wow, i placed a group of Delta's and a group of NVA from the nam pack, and it was a complete slaughter, quite ugly. Even used some marines from the NP2, and it was still a slaughter. I think they are too well trained. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 18, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PiNs_Da_Smoka @ Feb. 18 2003,12:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Wow, i placed a group of Delta's and a group of NVA from the nam pack, and it was a complete slaughter, quite ugly. Even used some marines from the NP2, and it was still a slaughter. I think they are too well trained. <span id='postcolor'> Naw! Those 1960s Charlies were just stunned looking at those 21st century starship troopers. Like deer looking at oncoming headlights. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dkraver 1 Posted February 18, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Feb. 18 2003,10:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hellfish6 @ Feb. 16 2003,22:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">UNIT CLASS NAMES ***************************** WOODLAND DELTA: BAS_DeltaMK BAS_DeltaRTO BAS_DeltaTeamLeader BAS_DeltaOperator BAS_DeltaOperatorGL BAS_DeltaSniper BAS_DeltaMGunner BAS_DeltaOperator2 WOODLAND DELTA COVERT: BAS_DeltaTeamLeaderS BAS_DeltaATS BAS_DeltaOperatorS BAS_DeltaOperator2S BAS_DeltaRTOS BAS_DeltaSniperS WOODLAND RANGER: BAS_RangerOfficer BAS_Ranger BAS_RangerGL BAS_RangerMGunner BAS_RangerHvyMG BAS_RangerAA BAS_RangerAT BAS_RangerLD BAS_RangerSniper BAS_RangerMedic BAS_RangerMK BAS_RangerRTO WOODLAND RANGER COVERT: BAS_RangerOfficerS BAS_RangerS BAS_RangerATS BAS_RangerLDS BAS_RangerRTOS BAS_RangerMedicS .................... STANDARD SOLDIERS: BAS_Soldier BAS_SoldierDES<span id='postcolor'> Could someone describe the exact differences between many of these units. I mean, I have no idea what's an MK, RTO, GL, LDS (Laser Designator?). Is a teamleader the same as an officer? What are all these operators? Operator2? OperatorGL? What is a standard soldier versus any of the others? Any pilots? What comes closest in concept to OFP's saboteur units?<span id='postcolor'> Standard Soldier is a Normal US soldier where you can attach unit shoulder patch in woodland and dessert uniform wit the codes provided in the readme S behind name is unit with silenced weapon Operator i think is instead of writing soldier like this Delta Soldier vs Delta Operator Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dkraver 1 Posted February 18, 2003 5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PiNs_Da_Smoka @ Feb. 18 2003,115)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Wow, i placed a group of Delta's and a group of NVA from the nam pack, and it was a complete slaughter, quite ugly. Even used some marines from the NP2, and it was still a slaughter. I think they are too well trained. <span id='postcolor'> Hmm shouldnt it be a slaughter since the NVA from the nam pack have the dispersion mags by default, meaning that they dont hit that well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 18, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Feb. 18 2003,11:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I mean, I have no idea what's an MK, RTO, GL, LDS (Laser Designator?).<span id='postcolor'> OK, we have: MK - Masterkey RTO - Radio Transmission (?) Operator GL - Grenade Launcher LD - Laser Designator Still to be answered: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Is a teamleader the same as an officer? What are all these operators? Operator2? OperatorGL? What is a standard soldier versus any of the others? Any pilots? What comes closest in concept to OFP's saboteur units?<span id='postcolor'> MORE QUESTIONS: What precisely are these weapons? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">M4 SOPMOD ACOG: M4 SOPMOD ACOG w/ MasterKey Shotgun: M4 SOPMOD REFLEX w/ MasterKey Shotgun: M4 SOPMOD REFLEX: M4 SOPMOD REFLEX w/ M203 Launcher: M4 SOPMOD ACOG SD: M4 SOPMOD REFLEX SD: M4 SOPMOD REFLEX SD w/ M203 Launcher: M14 AIMPOINT: AN/PSC-5D Satcom<span id='postcolor'> What's an ACOG? Whats a Reflex? What's an M14 Aimpoint? A sniper rifle? What's an AN/PSC-5D Satcom? Which weapons are suppressed? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SelectThis 0 Posted February 18, 2003 SOPMOD = Special Operations Peculiar Modification. sopmod info The ACOG is a 4x32 scope. The Reflex is the no-magnification optic sights. SD = Supressed Version M14 Aimpoint is a M14 with the aimpoint optic sights (no magnifiation) the AN/PSC-5D Satcom is a Satelite Com unit. (radio) which functions just like the Nam Pack one (ie it's a weapon so you can test if a unit has it) Team Leader is a term used to designate the leader of a group whether it be a Fire Team of 4 or a squad of 12. We didn't use Officer because a NCO will usually lead a Fire Team. SelectThis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 18, 2003 What's an Operator versus an Operator2? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SelectThis 0 Posted February 18, 2003 Operator2 has the M14 equiped rather than the M4 You're referring to the classnames right? The editor names show what they are a bit better (eg BAS_DeltaOperator2 = Delta Operator M14) If you dont like any of the editor descriptions then use the "Soldier" or DES Soldier" units. These were put in to give a mission maker complete flexibility in terms of names not containing the load out of the unit. Mission maker can also put any patch they want on the shoulder, including but not limited to the ones we provided with the pack. SelectThis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
der bastler 0 Posted February 18, 2003 Yesterday we played some MP-missions (RangerRaiders, MountainRangers, SacredGround,...) with the deltas and rangers. Just one word: Great! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dkraver 1 Posted February 18, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Is a teamleader the same as an officer?  <span id='postcolor'> Team leader is the "officer" but i think they made it team leader instead officer since sergeants at different lvls can be a team leader as well and with some speciels forces like the SAS its sergeants leading the patrols/missions and officers doing the overall planning so they arent really in the mission. At least from what book material i have read. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What are all these operators? <span id='postcolor'> I would think its instead of using soldier after delta. like this Delta soldier vs Delta operator. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What is a standard soldier versus any of the others?  <span id='postcolor'> Its a normal US soldier where you can place unit shoulder patch with the codes delivered in the zip file. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Any pilots?  <span id='postcolor'> no they havent got a air wing, but are using the 160th SOAR as air support. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What comes closest in concept to OFP's saboteur units?  <span id='postcolor'> I would say any of the Delta People. If you also think uniform and weapon then the Delta (S) team leader. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">M4 SOPMOD ACOG: M4 SOPMOD ACOG w/ MasterKey Shotgun: M4 SOPMOD REFLEX w/ MasterKey Shotgun: M4 SOPMOD REFLEX: M4 SOPMOD REFLEX w/ M203 Launcher: M4 SOPMOD ACOG SD: M4 SOPMOD REFLEX SD: M4 SOPMOD REFLEX SD w/ M203 Launcher: M14 AIMPOINT: AN/PSC-5D Satcom<span id='postcolor'> M4 SOPMOD are the special forces M4. It has the possibility to add a lot of different accesories like these used in the weapon pack where SD is the silencer. So if you combine these you will see what the weapon has. Silencer M203 Grenade Launcher Reflex sight ACOG sight Master Shotgun </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What's an ACOG?<span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The ACOGs are internally-adjustable, compact telescopic sights with tritium illuminated reticle patterns for use in low light or at night. Bindon Aiming Concept (BAC)* models feature bright daytime reticles using fiber optics which collect ambient light. The ACOGs combine traditional, precise distance marksmanship with close-in aiming speed. Although the ACOGs have many features which are very advantageous for military use, they were developed by Trijicon without government funding. Designed for use with the M16 family, every feature of its mechanical and optical design was chosen for a single purpose: to provide increased hit potential in all lighting conditions -- without failure-prone batteries.<span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Whats a Reflex? <span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Trijicon REFLEX DUAL-ILLUMINATED ADVANCED-COMBAT REFLEX SIGHT The New Standard for Instant Any-Light Shooting Accuracy Trijicon's enhanced Reflex II is the natural evolution in speed-with-precision shooting and true-color target acquisition. It gives you maximum accuracy and true-to-life targeting, instantly, without failure-prone batteries.<span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What's an M14 Aimpoint?  <span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">M14, basically a product improved M1 Garand, performed well as a infantry rifle. The M14 had an effective range of 500 yards (460m). The M14 used a standard NATO 7.62mm cartridge in a 20-round magazine. The M14 was the standard Army infantry rifle, until replaced by the mass fielding of the M16 5.56mm rifle in 1966-1967. Some M14s were equipped with a bipod for use as a squad automatic weapons. However, the M14 displayed an erratic dispersion pattern, excessive recoil, and muzzle climb when fired as an automatic rifle. <span id='postcolor'> taken from www.fas.org </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Aimpoint has the pleasure of presenting to you a completely new generation of Aimpoint red dot sights. The basic idea is the same and just as ingenious today as it was 25 years ago. You aim with a bright red dot that appears on the target without any optical distortion of the surroundings. In other words, everything appears just as you see it with your eyes. The 21st century generation of sights from Aimpoint – the 7000 series and the Comp series – are completely new sights in which revolutionary new technology and all the experience accumulated since Aimpoint invented the red dot sight have been fused together. With the development of this new generation of sights, we continue our tradition of partnership with the serious hunter and shooter. <span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A sniper rifle?<span id='postcolor'> Not really but because of the high accuracy on semi auto some special forces opratives prefer this instead of normal assault rifles. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What's an AN/PSC-5D Satcom?<span id='postcolor'> Sattelite Radio Communication equipment. Can be used with a script so if no one is holding it you cant use radio ingame Like you didnt knew all this already  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dkraver 1 Posted February 18, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SelectThis @ Feb. 18 2003,12:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you dont like any of the editor descriptions then use the "Soldier" or DES Soldier" units. These were put in to give a mission maker complete flexibility in terms of names not containing the load out of the unit. Mission maker can also put any patch they want on the shoulder, including but not limited to the ones we provided with the pack. SelectThis<span id='postcolor'> Could you do the same with the ranger sniper model. The one that uses the hat instead of the helmet?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted February 18, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (dkraver @ Feb. 18 2003,13:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Like you didnt knew all this already  <span id='postcolor'> Of course I know all this already. SelectThis posted the answers before you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr. Duck 0 Posted February 18, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you dont like any of the editor descriptions then use the "Soldier" or DES Soldier" units. These were put in to give a mission maker complete flexibility in terms of names not containing the load out of the unit. Mission maker can also put any patch they want on the shoulder, including but not limited to the ones we provided with the pack.<span id='postcolor'> Me found glitch,I put a soldier team with a patch from the 82nd and a ranger assault team on the map. When I went to preview the rangers had a 82nd patch too. I tried the patch code on the rangers to give em the 75th again with no luck. This doesn't happen when you have two different squad's of soldiers though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jinef 2 Posted February 18, 2003 I did all the missions, now i need more! Somebody make some missions please. Btw. Very good work, as BAS are hosting project UK forces i hope the Brits they are going to be of the same quality so we could have some really good combined spec ops missions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bosniarat 0 Posted February 18, 2003 Avon Lady RTO stands for Radio Telephone Operator Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STS_SolidSnake 0 Posted February 18, 2003 I made a black hawk down style coop mission but i forgot, was it the Rangers using the MH-60 and the delta on littlebirds or delta on mh-60, rangers mh-6? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PitViper 0 Posted February 18, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (STS_SolidSnake @ Feb. 18 2003,10:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I made a black hawk down style coop mission but i forgot, was it the Rangers using the MH-60 and the delta on littlebirds or delta on mh-60, rangers mh-6?<span id='postcolor'> Rangers on the blackhawk (perimeter defense) and the delta on the little birds (insertion team) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrukas 0 Posted February 18, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jinef @ Feb. 18 2003,14:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I did all the missions, now i need more! Somebody make some missions please. Btw. Very good work, as BAS are hosting project UK forces i hope the Brits they are going to be of the same quality so we could have some really good combined spec ops missions.<span id='postcolor'> well, for now you could use Gulf War Crisis Mod UK and UK sas forces(their site just got backonline again, hurray ) + then add some of BAS desert rangers and/or deltas to the mission.. work perfectly together;)(I think) . theres combined ops for ya! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
