DJ-D_Prime 0 Posted January 12, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Then don't forget the hundreds of child abuse cases associated with the Christian church.<span id='postcolor'> LOL, can't you see that it has nothing to do with the religion itself, but by acts of certain individuals. The Roman Catholic church does not preach that people should abuse children! it does not say anything like that in the bible or any preasts, cardinals, bishops or popes says people should do it. On the other hand, the Koran does not state that muslims should try and conques the world, kill people who think different etc. but there are imams and muslim religious leaders who do state that muslims should do such things. to make this comparison with the catholic church is very simplistic and naive.. please think befor you post Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted January 12, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DJ-D_Prime @ Jan. 12 2003,13:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">LOL, can't you see that it has nothing to do with the religion itself, but by acts of certain individuals. The Roman Catholic church does not preach that people should abuse children! it does not say anything like that in the bible or any preasts, cardinals, bishops or popes says people should do it. On the other hand, the Koran does not state that muslims should try and conques the world, kill people who think different etc. but there are imams and muslim religious leaders who do state that muslims should do such things. to make this comparison with the catholic church is very simplistic and naive.. please think befor you post<span id='postcolor'> He's talking about the fact that the Raelians are considered a "dangerous sect" because of alleged child and sexual abuse by it's members - not outlined anywhere in their religion itself- and that's widely accepted. But if we go by that same logic, you could argue that the Catholic church is one of the most dangerous sects in the world. He's just trying to point out a double standard in how we view belief systems based on their popularity. Please think before you reply Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Necromancer- 0 Posted January 12, 2003 Im not raëlien, but i do somewhat share their point of view of the creation of life on this planet. And i support establishing an embassy or something for extra-terrestial life forms. (bad english) Im not saying that we should search for them, I say let them come to us. If they come to us.... then world will be much less divided. If they're hostile.... the world will be united. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted January 12, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Necromancer- @ Jan. 13 2003,03:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And i support establishing an embassy or something for extra-terrestial life forms. (bad english)<span id='postcolor'> We already have one, it's called Area 51. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted January 12, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Necromancer- @ Jan. 12 2003,22:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Im not raëlien, but i do somewhat share their point of view of the creation of life on this planet. And i support establishing an embassy or something for extra-terrestial life forms. (bad english) Im not saying that we should search for them, I say let them come to us. If they come to us.... then world will be much less divided. If they're hostile.... the world will be united.<span id='postcolor'> lol I think it's a lot more practical to make contact before you go setting up embassies. If youre interested in the search for extraterrestrial life, maybe you should check out Seti @ Home Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Necromancer- 0 Posted January 12, 2003 I doubt they would come to Area 51. I think Area 51 is nothing more than a R&D facility for chemical and biological weaponry. I doubt Bush would even know what's going on there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
//relic// 0 Posted January 12, 2003 Question to the religious: If we met aliens, and they had absolutely no concept of religion, or something that could be remotely contrived to represent your gods, what would you do? That would rule out the idea that your particular god created the entire universe, because presumable she/he/it would 'reveal' themself to that species too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drewb99 0 Posted January 12, 2003 Convert the Infadel Aliens to Christianity Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
//relic// 0 Posted January 12, 2003 lol you're probably right Alien craft lands and two jehovas witnesses knock on the door of their ship with some brochures Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harnu 0 Posted January 13, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote (Necromancer- @ Jan. 13 2003,03:10) And i support establishing an embassy or something for extra-terrestial life forms. (bad english) We already have one, it's called Area 51. <span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I doubt they would come to Area 51. I think Area 51 is nothing more than a R&D facility for chemical and biological weaponry. I doubt Bush would even know what's going on there. <span id='postcolor'> Groom Lake, a.k.a. "Area 51" isn't some place for aliens It's there for minimal weapons testing and to test new military aircraft. The U2, F-117, B2 were all flown there during their testing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted January 13, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (//relic// @ Jan. 12 2003,22:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Question to the religious: If we met aliens, and they had absolutely no concept of religion, or something that could be remotely contrived to represent your gods, what would you do? That would rule out the idea that your particular god created the entire universe, because presumable she/he/it would 'reveal' themself to that species too<span id='postcolor'> You know, one could easily post almost the same question and reverse the place of "aliens" & "God" in your post, What would you do if God appeared to you? Question goes both ways. You're not going to convince any Christians here to...heh...is convert an appropriate word for atheism? . I stopped going to church because I myself didn't think it was right for me, not because anyone else convinced me, but I'll defend anyone else's right to have religious beliefs as long as they respect my right not to have them. I have many good christian friends, usually I avoid the topic of religion around them, until they critisize me for being an atheist. Then I defend my point of view as best I can without overly offending theirs. By now they and I know where we stand, and there's no use in trying to change that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harnu 0 Posted January 13, 2003 Before I never told anyone I didn't belive in "God".  I didn't want to get into any arguments... but then one day I did say it cause some preeching christian was really pissing me off saying anyone who doesn't  believe should die...  Boy did I let him have it.  Then after everyone knew I didn't really belive.. they all sarted saying to me..aw man, neither do I.  Really suprising, most of my friends don't believe either.  But we never told each other.  Then all my friends who do believe didn't really care.  So we always just mess around with eachother now  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted January 13, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Jan. 12 2003,08:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">He's talking about the fact that the Raelians are considered a "dangerous sect" because of alleged child and sexual abuse by it's members - not outlined anywhere in their religion itself- and that's widely accepted. But if we go by that same logic, you could argue that the Catholic church is one of the most dangerous sects in the world. He's just trying to point out a double standard in how we view belief systems based on their popularity. Please think before you reply <span id='postcolor'> Yes, that's what I was saying, thanks. Harnu, that's actually an interesting story, the way you kind of "came out of the closet". Kind of shows how we can become prisonners of our society, wanting to free ourselves sometimes, but too afraid of the consequences. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harnu 0 Posted January 13, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Harnu, that's actually an interesting story, the way you kind of "came out of the closet". Â Â Â Kind of shows how we can become prisonners of our society, wanting to free ourselves sometimes, but too afraid of the consequences. <span id='postcolor'> Couldn't you have had a better analogy than coming out of the closet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted January 13, 2003 I wanted to brigthen up the day a little. (I need that link to Alberts motorbike creation now, if you saw it, you know what I mean) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
//relic// 0 Posted January 13, 2003 No no I wasn't trying to convert, it's just a scenario that I think would invalidate religion. I think if a religious person criticised me for being athiest I think it would drive me insane with rage...honestly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted January 13, 2003 People get criticized for their religion all the time. It adds character. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted January 13, 2003 Avon saves another thread from closure! Back to the future! Those sneaky Iraqis or their pals aren't just ringing around Baghdad. Read this! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
//relic// 0 Posted January 13, 2003 What's the point of a defensive ring around Baghdad anyway? Â From my non-military point of view, sure it's a political centre and would be nice to capture but it's not like you *need* Baghdad to control Iraq. It's not from my view a strategic point of interest in Iraq - I'd rather control all out other towns, oil fields, airports, military bases and so forth. Â Afterall, they wouldn't put their (if any) WMD labs in Baghdad would they...? Having looked at a map, it seems even moreso to me - I'd capture Umm Qasr for the port, as many towns along borders as I could and basically seal the country in for a time, until I deemed I could take Baghdad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wick_105 0 Posted January 13, 2003 last night I was watching the the news and there was a report on past and preasent conflicts, in wich its main thesis was how the modern day U.S. resembles nazi germany in the 30's/40's it even went as far as as showing two pictures, one a us army officer in his dress uniform. 2 a German officer in his dress uniform. and man was that interesting...hitler didnt die he became the fashion consultant to the U.S. army. I'm not saying I totally agree with the show on another note: who here thinks George "dubya" Bush was bullied as a kid...it would explain why he is power tripping, and why doesnt anyone have the balls to stop his childlike tempertantrum. as for that religion stuff...I have a good explanation for my brother(he's mormon) when confronted with the "why dont you believe?" question I just say...Im afraid of heights but I can stand at the edge of a 1000ft cliff and be compleatly calm but if i'm on a 50ft repell tower my knees will be shaking. you see I'm not really afraid of heights I just dont trust anything man made. if you get it you get it, if not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wick_105 0 Posted January 13, 2003 man wrote the bible Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Longinius 1 Posted January 13, 2003 The point is that the Iraqis know they cant win, so they are making a final stand. By concentrating their forces and preparing in good time, they hope to be able to give atleast a good fight before they are taken out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted January 13, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Jan. 13 2003,13:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The point is that the Iraqis know they cant win, so they are making a final stand. By concentrating their forces and preparing in good time, they hope to be able to give atleast a good fight before they are taken out.<span id='postcolor'> Well, if this is their strategy and they stick to it, I'm sure someone in the alliance forces will be greatful for the heads-up. Remember, G.I.'s - you read it here first! /avon salutes Lazarus Long wherever he may be Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted January 13, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wick_105 @ Jan. 13 2003,12:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">on another note: who here thinks George "dubya" Bush was bullied as a kid...it would explain why he is power tripping, and why doesnt anyone have the balls to stop his childlike tempertantrum.<span id='postcolor'> As a matter of fact, I've heard several stories from people who went to elementary school with him about how he would stand up for kids that were being bullied. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
