Defensive ring around baghdad

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mr. Duck @ Jan. 10 2003,20:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Cloney @ Jan. 10 2003,20:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Exocet Argentino @ Jan. 10 2003,17:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">USA doesn't care about dictators with nuclear weapons, they could have attacked Pakistan or North Corea. What the USA wants is Irak's refuel.

I hope they get another vietnam.<span id='postcolor'>

Why would you wish such a thing on us? I'll be draft age in 2 years and I don't want to die in some worthless war.

Thank You Very Much and Fuck You.<span id='postcolor'>

Come come, I thought the U.S. don't have a conscription army anymore, I'm draft age too but I'll be only drafted in times of need.

So unless the U.S. is gonna mess up really good up there (wich I doubt), you won't get drafted. <span id='postcolor'>

A Democrat lawmaker is trying to revitalize the draft saying Congress is too eager to go to war. And since the majority of the fighting force is Poor and Middle Class, maybe Congress would be less gung-ho if some of THEIR sons were out there.

We do have "Selective Service" which can be used in that fashion. All males 18 and over have to be registered.

And as for they guy who wished a "Vietnam-like" war, fuck him very much too. Vietnam didn't just kill American soldiers but devestated Vietnam. So basically he is wishing for American soldiers to die and innocent civilians to be massacred.

By his name though I'm guessin' he's still pissed about the Falklands.

EDIT: For SS comment

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Cloney @ Jan. 10 2003,20:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Exocet Argentino @ Jan. 10 2003,17:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">USA doesn't care about dictators with nuclear weapons, they could have attacked Pakistan or North Corea. What the USA wants is Irak's refuel.

I hope they get another vietnam.<span id='postcolor'>

Why would you wish such a thing on us? I'll be draft age in 2 years and I don't want to die in some worthless war.

Thank You Very Much and Fuck You.<span id='postcolor'>

you have to assume the role your leader gives to your country in foreign policy

i'm draft age since 18 years and i'll be for the 14 next soo .... (am in the french army tho , but it would suck if a coalition was formed and if the american intervention messed up)

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 10 2003,20:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mr. Duck @ Jan. 10 2003,20:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Cloney @ Jan. 10 2003,20:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Exocet Argentino @ Jan. 10 2003,17:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">USA doesn't care about dictators with nuclear weapons, they could have attacked Pakistan or North Corea. What the USA wants is Irak's refuel.

I hope they get another vietnam.<span id='postcolor'>

Why would you wish such a thing on us? I'll be draft age in 2 years and I don't want to die in some worthless war.

Thank You Very Much and Fuck You.<span id='postcolor'>

Come come, I thought the U.S. don't have a conscription army anymore, I'm draft age too but I'll be only drafted in times of need.

So unless the U.S. is gonna mess up really good up there (wich I doubt), you won't get drafted.  <span id='postcolor'>

A Democrat lawmaker is trying to revitalize the draft saying Congress is too eager to go to war. And since the majority of the fighting force is Poor and Middle Class, maybe Congress would be less gung-ho if some of THEIR sons were out there.

And as for they guy who wished a "Vietnam-like" war, fuck him very much too. Vietnam didn't just kill American soldiers but devestated Vietnam. So basically he is wishing for American soldiers to die and innocent civilians to be massacred.

By his name though I'm guessin' he's still pissed about the Falklands.<span id='postcolor'>

i think that he's just wishing to american people to take conscience of the acts of the people they elected at the head of their beloved country the way they did in the early 70's .....

[Guest]

Akira, Cloney - no flaming please.

Exocet Argentino - please don't post flame bait.

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Jan. 10 2003,21:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Akira, Cloney - no flaming please.

Exocet Argentino - please don't post flame bait.<span id='postcolor'>

All I said was he was pissed off about the Falklands.

Err..

Anyway, about the draft. That was the point he was making Ran and I would have to agree. Alot of the commentators I saw on my pre-football debate shows also added that "kids of today need it." I'm not sure if I am lumped in that or not (I'm 28) but I would have to agree.

Damn kids...

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 10 2003,21:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All I said was he was pissed off about the Falklands.

Err..<span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And as for they guy who wished a "Vietnam-like" war, fuck him very much too.<span id='postcolor'>

Which is not an appropriate behaviour towards other members.

[Akira 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Jan. 10 2003,21:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 10 2003,215)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All I said was he was pissed off about the Falklands.

Err..<span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And as for they guy who wished a "Vietnam-like" war, fuck him very much too.<span id='postcolor'>

Which is not an appropriate behaviour towards other members.<span id='postcolor'>

Oh yeah...hehe...

[Cloney 0]

lol Akira

I will try to restrain myslef next time Denoir.

[Harnu 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Exocet Argentino @ Jan. 10 2003,17:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">USA doesn't care about dictators with nuclear weapons, they could have attacked Pakistan or North Corea. What the USA wants is Irak's refuel.

I hope they get another vietnam.<span id='postcolor'>

Ya see, there's this thing called "Common Sense".  You fight the battle you can win.  You don't HAVE to fight everyone for the same reason you fought one.  

No I don't want to fight Iraq. But if Bush had enough evidence or whatever he had to convince congress, it must have been a good enough reason. As far as oil, every American doesn't give a damn about that. But as my Global Studies teacher says... "It's all about the money".

We are fighting them for a reason, why Bush doesn't really want to say or why UN Inspectors aren't going to the right places I don't care about. But there is a reason for it. And who wouldn't want a little on the side?

How do you Europeans not understand how to pick your fights?

Edit:  And you generally make a better argument when you can spell the things you are arguing about  

[Cloney 0]

Good Post Harnu. I totally agree.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Harnu @ Jan. 10 2003,22:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">No I don't want to fight Iraq.  But if Bush had enough evidence or whatever he had to convince congress, it must have been a good enough reason.  <span id='postcolor'>

It is the same evidence that was presented to the IAEA and they said it wasn't anything but wild speculations. I find it amusing how you tend to question your government in everything but its foreigin policy.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We are fighting them for a reason, why Bush doesn't really want to say or why UN Inspectors aren't going to the right places I don't care about. But there is a reason for it. And who wouldn't want a little on the side?<span id='postcolor'>

You are saying that there is a reason because Bush says so. Well, that's not good enough for me and apparently not good enough for the world either. Bush is a warmonger and he is not the first in history. There are plenty of examples of that.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">How do you Europeans not understand how to pick your fights?<span id='postcolor'>

It is exactly what we do since we have centuries of experience in that field. We can see a pointless war when we see one since we have been involved in numerous ones.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Edit: And you generally make a better argument when you can spell the things you are arguing about <span id='postcolor'>

Hmm. Jag vet inte hur din svenska stavning är, men jag skulle tro att den är lĺngt ifrĺn perfekt.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Jan. 10 2003,00:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Edit:  And you generally make a better argument when you can spell the things you are arguing about  <span id='postcolor'>

Hmm. Jag vet inte hur din svenska stavning är, men jag skulle tro att den är lĺngt ifrĺn perfekt. <span id='postcolor'>

Speak english on this forum Denoir, or i'll have to give you another 48h ban!

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Jan. 11 2003,04:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is the same evidence that was presented to the IAEA and they said it wasn't anything but wild speculations. I find it amusing how you tend to question your government in everything but its foreigin policy.<span id='postcolor'>

It is the same evidence that was presented to the U.S. Senate which the majority approved. And I find it amusing how every other country sticks their nose in the U.S.'s business.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You are saying that there is a reason because Bush says so. Well, that's not good enough for me and apparently not good enough for the world either. Bush is a warmonger and he is not the first in history. There are plenty of examples of that.<span id='postcolor'>

So Bush, his entire cabinet, the majority of the U.S. senate are ALL warmongers and they're ALL after Iraq's oil.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hmm. Jag vet inte hur din svenska stavning är, men jag skulle tro att den är lĺngt ifrĺn perfekt. <span id='postcolor'>

exnay onay hetay oreignfay anguageslay.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Jan. 11 2003,02:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Jan. 11 2003,042)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It is the same evidence that was presented to the IAEA and they said it wasn't anything but wild speculations. I find it amusing how you tend to question your government in everything but its foreigin policy.<span id='postcolor'>

It is the same evidence that was presented to the U.S. Senate which the majority approved.  And I find it amusing how every other country sticks their nose in the U.S.'s business.<span id='postcolor'>

Since you tend to bomb other countries and expect us to bomb them along with you it kind of gives us the right to question your decisions. Especially since you apparently believe that the conclusions of your government are universal. Your congress and senate means very little to me, just as I assume that the Swedish parliament doesn't mean too much to you.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So Bush, his entire cabinet, the majority of the U.S. senate are ALL warmongers and they're ALL after Iraq's oil. <span id='postcolor'>

No, not all in his cabinet. I have high respect for Colin Powell. Actually, I take back what I said about Bush. I don't think he is a warmonger - I think he is a puppet. The real warmongers are Cheney and Rumsfeld. The incoherence in the US Mid East policy is a very clear sign of a weak president.

As for the senate - a republican majority that support a republican administration in combination with post september 11th hysteria. Mind you though, that about 30% of the senate was against a war on Iraq.

[Chill 0]

Denoir is right! USA call them a christian country and they are making war for peace? What mislead fools the US are.

[llauma 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Jan. 10 2003,23:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hmm. Jag vet inte hur din svenska stavning är, men jag skulle tro att den är lĺngt ifrĺn perfekt. <span id='postcolor'>

Ai äm pritti tjĺr ĺv dätt

[Harnu 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Denoir is right! USA call them a christian country and they are making war for peace? What mislead fools the US are. <span id='postcolor'>

I don't quite understand you.  Can you type that again?  You mean we call ourselves a Christian Country?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ai äm pritti tjĺr ĺv dätt

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Damn my school for only offering two foreign languages!

[Guest]

4--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Harnu @ Jan. 11 2003,044)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Denoir is right! USA call them a christian country and they are making war for peace? What mislead fools the US are. <span id='postcolor'>

I don't quite understand you.  Can you type that again?  You mean we call ourselves a Christian Country?<span id='postcolor'>

I'm not really sure that I understood it either  

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ai äm pritti tjĺr ĺv dätt

<span id='postcolor'>

Damn my school for only offering two foreign languages!

<span id='postcolor'>

That was a joke, it's in english spelled phonetically with Swedish characters :"I am pretty sure of that"

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Since you tend to bomb other countries and expect us to bomb them along with you it kind of gives us the right to question your decisions. Especially since you apparently believe that the conclusions of your government are universal.<span id='postcolor'>

No, I don't believe the conclusions of my government are universal, but I don't believe that even the majority of the government would lie about something. And I think we've said multiple times that we'll do this with or without UN support.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The incoherence in the US Mid East policy is a very clear sign of a weak president.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, most of his US mid east policy has been around for several presidents, and not all of them were weak at all. Besides, a decisive stand on something you see as a threat to your nation is a sign of strength, not weakness.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As for the senate - a republican majority that support a republican administration in combination with post september 11th hysteria.<span id='postcolor'>

The US senate was predominantly democrat when they voted on the Iraq evidence I believe.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Denoir is right! USA call them a christian country and they are making war for peace? What mislead fools the US are. <span id='postcolor'>

1) this is racism

2) although the majority of the U.S. is Christian, our government is not run by a Christian doctrine.

3) I believe that Christianity does not disprove of war, only murder.

[llauma 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Harnu @ Jan. 11 2003,04:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Denoir is right! USA call them a christian country and they are making war for peace? What mislead fools the US are. <span id='postcolor'>

I don't quite understand you.  Can you type that again?  You mean we call ourselves a Christian Country?<span id='postcolor'>

In god we trust... I think he wants to say that being a christian is more then just calling your self that.

"You shall not kill" is the fifth commandment...

[llauma 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Jan. 11 2003,04:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I believe that Christianity does not disprove of war, only murder.<span id='postcolor'>

If I remember right a certain Jesus said Love your enemy and the 5th commandment is you shall not kill...

This does not sound very war approval

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Llauma @ Jan. 11 2003,09:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In god we trust... I think he wants to say that being a christian is more then just calling your self that.<span id='postcolor'>

In God we trust is old, represents our Christian foundations.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"You shall not kill" is the fifth commandment...<span id='postcolor'>

Uhm, no.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=EXOD+20

13 "You shall not murder.<span id='postcolor'>

The Bible does not say we can't go to war.

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Llauma @ Jan. 11 2003,09:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This does not sound very war approval<span id='postcolor'>

What does this sound like.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin....ion=NIV

2 (he did this only to teach warfare to the descendants of the Israelites who had not had previous battle experience)<span id='postcolor'>

But let's not turn this into a Biblical argument because of what some mislead racist said.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Jan. 11 2003,04:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"You shall not kill" is the fifth commandment...<span id='postcolor'>

Uhm, no.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=EXOD+20

13 "You shall not murder.<span id='postcolor'><span id='postcolor'>

Lol. Have you heard about the term "The ten commandments"?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

1. I am the Lord thy God; thou shalt have no strange gods before Me.

2. Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain.

3. Remember thou, keep holy the Sabbath.

4. Honor thy father and thy mother.

5. Thou shalt not kill.

6. Thou shalt not commit adultery.

7. Thou shalt not steal.

8. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.

9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife.

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Bible does not say we can't go to war.<span id='postcolor'>

The bible says "Thou shalt not kill" and not "Thou shalt not kill unless you really have a good reason for it."

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But let's not turn this into a Biblical argument because of what some mislead racist said.<span id='postcolor'>

Chill's comment was hardly racist. He made a comment about the US government.

[llauma 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Jan. 11 2003,04:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=EXOD+20

13 "You shall not murder.<span id='postcolor'>

The Bible does not say we can't go to war.<span id='postcolor'>

You checked the english translation of the bible..

It's also a quite new translation.

I am pretty sure that the original word is "kill"

They propably did not even have seperate words for murder and kill when Moses received the commandments.