M-16 - single-shot or three-round-burst, usually?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Jan. 03 2003,01:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">are they very well trained?

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Yes they are well trained and have good infantry equipment apart from their APC´s with cable guns. You cant swap them , cause they are so small caucasians would not fit in

They are rather small in height and weight and I guess this was also a factor for him to have a hard time with thew G3.

Also if you never shot a G3 and are used to shoot 5.56 ammo it will offer you some real big surprise.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sounds like he was using the "spray -n- pray" technique<span id='postcolor'>

Yes he sprayed and we prayed  <span id='postcolor'>

You are in the German Army right ?

What units have the G36?...they are in service arent they?

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Jan. 03 2003,01:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Then I stood back and watched the malayan shooting my G3. Hell he got totally out of control with it. As it doesnt have the 3 round limitation he spreaded the bullets very WIDE and was totally shocked of the recoil  <span id='postcolor'>

During my service in the coast artillery there was a rather frightening moment I remember very well. If you performed good at the shooting range you would be allowed to empty the magasine on full auto mode. Most of the time on auto mode you were supposed to fire as short burst as possible and you were allways lying down on the ground. In a perfect position the body will function very much like a shock absorber on a car. The recoil is taken up by the body and a good shooting position returnes the rifle rather accurately at the aiming point.However, one day the hole troop were allowed to empty the magasines and there was this guy not thinking at all about recoil. When standing you have to hold the AG3 by the hip and place your left hand on the barrel or else the gun will point upwards pretty fast. This fellow on the other hand aimed just like he was about to fire single shots and his balance was supposedly pretty bad too. The result was three holes in the roof and everyone around him threw themselves to the ground scared to death. Perhaps we shouldn't have expected anything else from a person who repeatedly hit the targets of the persons on his side at the range.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyway even if set on full auto a good soldier with a g3 will fire 3 rounds only and get them into the target. It´s only about training.<span id='postcolor'>

I second that but only when lying down or on your knees.

By the way - I love the AG3.

Edit: Obviously the explanation of AG3's recoil was not ment for you balschoiw

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You are in the German Army right ?

What units have the G36?...they are in service arent they<span id='postcolor'>

Basically yes, but I am not serving in a german camp anymore. I am with the UN on a higher level that doesnt require nation bound army participance.

I have my rank in german army, the clothes, a place to sleep , my weapons, but technically I dont serve with regular troops anymore.

The G36 is the standard weapon for almost all german troops right now. There are some naval units and radio units plus medics that dont have them as they are not likely to get involved into firefights. Plus they wont hit anything , so they go along with the G3 and UZI . But all G3´s in german army will be replaced by G36 in short time. They started with KRK units and move down the list in term of necessity.

I like the G36 also, but the G3 was the gun I learnt shooting with and it is some kind of traditional, emotional rumble that I feel when I am able to shoot some rounds with it.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Jan. 03 2003,02:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">By the way - I love the AG3.<span id='postcolor'>

It is heavy, and hard to clean. I never liked it. Swedein is phasing out its usage of it in favour of the Ak-5 which is much more user friendly.

I'll admit though that the Ak-4 (G3) is a very well made weapon.

As for the m-16 - I've only fired it on two occasions. I can say that the thing that surprised me most was how plastic and cheap it felt..

[Renagade 0]

a bit like the sa80

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9--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Jan. 02 2003,059)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You are in the German Army right ?

What units have the G36?...they are in service arent they<span id='postcolor'>

Basically yes, but I am not serving in a german camp anymore. I am with the UN on a higher level that doesnt require nation bound army participance.

I have my rank in german army, the clothes, a place to sleep   , my weapons, but technically I dont serve with regular troops anymore.

The G36 is the standard weapon for almost all german troops right now. There are some naval units and radio units plus medics that dont have them as they are not likely to get involved into firefights. Plus they wont hit anything , so they go along with the G3 and UZI . But all G3´s in german army will be replaced by G36 in short time. They started with KRK units and move down the list in term of necessity.

I like the G36 also, but the G3 was the gun I learnt shooting with and it is some kind of traditional, emotional rumble that I feel when I am able to shoot some rounds with it.<span id='postcolor'>

Sorry for going off topic man, but are you allowed to take your weapons home?  

[ralphwiggum 6]

i definitely knows that he is allowed to take a pistol home since he has permits, but he seldom does. i think he mentioned that he can take rifles too.(from old thread)

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Jan. 02 2003,22:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i definitely knows that he is allowed to take a pistol home since he has permits, but he seldom does. i think he mentioned that he can take rifles too.(from old thread)<span id='postcolor'>

Can every soldier do that? What do you need to do/have to be allowed to take em home?

[madmedic 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Jan. 03 2003,21:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Jan. 02 2003,22:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i definitely knows that he is allowed to take a pistol home since he has permits, but he seldom does. i think he mentioned that he can take rifles too.(from old thread)<span id='postcolor'>

Can every soldier do that?  What do you need to do/have to be allowed to take em home?<span id='postcolor'>

no

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Jan. 03 2003,21:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Jan. 02 2003,22:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i definitely knows that he is allowed to take a pistol home since he has permits, but he seldom does. i think he mentioned that he can take rifles too.(from old thread)<span id='postcolor'>

Can every soldier do that?  What do you need to do/have to be allowed to take em home?<span id='postcolor'>

no. but he has been with BW for long and i think he is an officer with proper permits.

[-76-Chavez 0]

No we can´t take our weapons home.

The G36 isnt that good.

its totally overpowered in OpF as you kill with one shot but you need some more shots with the G3.

IRL it hasnt enough power IMHO (as mentioned before).

A G36 in 7.62x51mm cal. would be nice I guess...

I´d prefer the G3, too.

Then to the original question:

I prefer single shot.

Exceptions are fighting in enclosed spaces (against surprisingly appearing enemies) and for the "Z-Schlag" (some kinda move to hose every part of a room with bullets before entering through the door) and firing the MG3

PS: Not every naval soldier can´t hit anything

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6--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote ([76]Chavez @ Jan. 04 2003,006)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">PS: Not every naval soldier can´t hit anything <span id='postcolor'>

The same with medics! My nickname in my unit was killer-keller...    

Well I had enough exercise in the years before in the shooting club. They also told us medics, in case we were attacked we should grab any weapon in range and fight back. On the paper we medics are "non-combatants", but in reality noone with a MG cares for one medic following a group of infantry. You could call it collateral damage  

Saving lifes is harder than taking them, and that should be a lifetask already. I always thought I`d not only be a target in the worst case, so anyone who would try to hurt my wounded would have an asskicking-hard time!

Please excuse me for going offtopic  

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FallenPaladin @ Jan. 04 2003,00:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Please excuse me for going offtopic  <span id='postcolor'>

Consider your fingers slapped, killer

[Wick_105 0]

in the canadian army we have the c-7 wich is allmost the same as the m-16a2...ours is in auto wich in live fire section attacks is only used when clearing a trench...firing the thing on auto all the time leads to barrel wear and at one point or another parts of the foregrip will melt got in trouble for that one...when we were trained to go auto we were told to aim at the targets left pant pocket and fire "controlled" bursts

the idea is you'd getem in the hip probably the chest and miss his ear...this was done at 50m standing...one of the guys went down because he wasnt in the right stands

in our army we only carry 5 mags...thats only 150rnds not much to play with thats why rep is good.

[on the battlefield there are two types of people targets and other gunners]

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">in our army we only carry 5 mags...thats only 150rnds not much to play with thats why rep is good.

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The standard battle load is 5 mags (loaded) plus one bandolier, making it 300 rounds. But I bet during a real situation, the load would be a hell of alot more.

They have come out with mag pouches that hold 3 mags each, I've seen them before. But alas, we still get issued 5 mags, no matter how many mag pouches we have.

[madmedic 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Jan. 04 2003,07:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">in our army we only carry 5 mags...thats only 150rnds not much to play with thats why rep is good.

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The standard battle load is 5 mags (loaded) plus one bandolier, making it 300 rounds. But I bet during a real situation, the load would be a hell of alot more.

They have come out with mag pouches that hold 3 mags each, I've seen them before. But alas, we still get issued 5 mags, no matter how many mag pouches we have.<span id='postcolor'>

Assault (CAN)....Go to an Army Surplus website, and buy yourself a couple of USGI issue SAW gunners pouches.

Im pretty sure they will hold six M16 mags each, and they will clip right on with ALICE clips.

Ill try to dig up a link

[Wick_105 0]

assault (CAN) ever try pepper potting while trying to bomb up

not that easy

yes that 100rnd bandolier does come in usefull after the objective hase been taken but only after while waiting a counter attack

and I too have a problem with having more mag pouches than mags issued...I have the twin mag pouches the brits get...only had to use all pouches during a jungle lane shoot rso wasnt to happy when I hammered off 1/2 a mag at a hostage target someone made...Ooops

[on the battlefield there are two types of people, targets and other gunners]

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">assault (CAN) ever try pepper potting while trying to bomb up not that easy <span id='postcolor'>

Whenever we go on ex I am always slotted as a C9 gunner, so I don't have that problem.

I see what you mean though, but I have never run out of loaded ammo while taking a trench. (yet)

[Wick_105 0]

I only find the c-9 usefull for cutting fig-11's in half at close range

but alass, Artillery does'nt get to fire that stuff unless were doing a battery defence-ex...but I allmost always carry the

C-6 on ex when I'm not foo sigging at least.

but after this summer no more fun for me...JLC or whatever the hell there calling it these days is going to ruin my fun forever

BUT THERE'S ALLWAYS THE 105 TO KEEP ME WARM AT NIGHT!

[drewb99 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Jan. 02 2003,05:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[*]M-16

[*]M-16A1

[*]M-16A2

Both the M-16 and the M-16A1 were used in Vietnam. They both have single and full-auto options. The M-16A1 has the triangular forearm of the original, the easiest way to distinguish between the two is: The A1 has an enclosed flash suppressor, as opposed to the 3-prong one of the M-16. The A1 also has a forward assist, whereas the original did not.

The A2 is single and 3-round burst only. The easiest way to distinguish this from the rest is the circular forearm.

Tyler<span id='postcolor'>

A little nitpicking here, but when the Army first issued the M16 it wasn't designated a generic M16, but rather it was designated as the XM16E1, which was modified somewhat by the army later and made into the M16A1.

There's also 2 more varients of the M16 you missed, the M16A3 and M16A4, the M16A3 comes with full auto and a rail for mounting scopes and such, and the A4 features a few small changes and 3-round bursting rather than full auto, also with a rail.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

Thanks DrewB, I corrected that in some later posts, the (X)M-16(E1) thing. But when you talk to a Vietnam vet I doubt that he would talk about his XM-16E1, just saying 'M-16' is more common. Just like people that don't distinguish between an AK-47 and an AKM.

I didn't mention the A3 and the A4 because I don't think that the U.S. Army has been issued them en masse yet. Most troops still use the A2.

Tyler

[Wick_105 0]

and from what ive heard there are still some a1's in service with reserve units....I'm still waiting for my cadpat to show up

damn being the average nato size

so assault (can) hows the linc&well doing these days?

[Longinius 1]

"It is heavy, and hard to clean. I never liked it. Swedein is phasing out its usage of it in favour of the Ak-5 which is much more user friendly."

Yeah, its heavier than the Ak-5 and harder to clean, but it feels more real I used it when I was in the Homeguard (Hemvärnet) and it gets the job done. Freakishly fun how people can modify it aswell with scopes, grips and bipod supports (dont know the real term in english, two legs you can fold out to support the barrel for greature accuracy...)

[madmedic 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Wick_105 @ Jan. 09 2003,09:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and from what ive heard there are still some a1's in service with reserve units....I'm still waiting for my cadpat to show up <span id='postcolor'>

Well,...There are absolutely some U.S. National Guard units that use the M16A1,

As far as reserve units (meaning "Army, Marine, Airforce, ect, reserve units)...I would immagine that by now, they are all issued A2 rifles.

[Paratrooper 0]

We (British Officer cadets) get some stick if we fire on full auto. We only use it when clearing a trench of the fighting is very close up, the point man and possibly the Section Commander will use it when fighting through a postion. Then you have to remember to flick it off again! I made that mistake once.

As for the earlier SA80 jibe, I have used it alot and had no problems with it, exept they are a bastard when you have to sleep with them!

As for pouches, I have four on my webbing that hold three rounds each. One pouch holds the weapon cleaning kit, and as we normally get four mags, I have three and one, so they don't rattle. The other pouch gets rations and a compass stuffed into it. To the amusement odf the BSM when he searches our pouches after a live fire!