Uk challenger mbt released!

[b_ringer25 0]

bobcat I would really appreciate it if you could help me out with it. DKM textures are no where near what the British use. The textures they have look like it is for the desert map that came with the game. I was looking for a desert Challenger 1 in the Desert Storm camo.

[b_ringer25 0]

yeah just a little different

*rolling my eyes*

[tankieboy 0]

No such thing out yet... AFAIK.

[HOBOMAN 0]

Or you can download the whole mod (http://ofp.gamezone.cz/index.php?showthis=8101)

Thats has the tank in it (if you dont mind the other 300 some mbs of stuff)

[Jingle 0]

If i remember rightly hawk did a challenger 1 mbt tho the colours are a bit gaudy its a nice model even got camo scripts....

[Jingle 0]

addendum its a challenger mk3 but i use it as a mk1 for ctis its on ofp info...

[Bobcatt666 0]

You need to challanger that was released on its own, the units in OPGWC are linked to the mod, most of the addons will not work correctly outside the mod, usualy FX and sounds are tied into the mod main pbo. Think I found the stand alone verssions.

[SWIFT88 0]

Best thing about

[.COMmunist 0]

Well, about Challenger`s armour I am not so sure. This is still first generation Chobham, type of armour that got it`s years. Since War in Gulf technology moved through, and even in 1991 Challenger was most "safe" of world tanks, now this situation was changed. New versions of Abrams, with DU, Merkavas` Mk.3 (and Mk.4 still as a phantom) laminated plates and 62.5 tons Leopards` 2 A5-A6 Chobham 2 armour are a class higher than Challengers` protection.

But in OF still it would be more "thick" than M1A1, only it`s main gun makes it underpowered.

The clue for addonmaking in late stadium is, I think, balance. Please, do not publish addons like Leopard1, which MBT in game kills everything could see. I do not think T90, beeing really only better T72, firing same ammo that T80 and having same electronics, is more effective that T80.

I agree... the T90 does have more advanced fire control systems and counter-measures but the armor levels are not much improved.  It still suffers from most of the same weaknesses as the T-72 and T-80 tanks, many of which were destroyed in Chechnya by primitive RPG rockets with hits to the rear and top armor as well as by mobility kills which left them sitting ducks for AT teams to have their way with them.

I also agree, that it is VERY frustrating when people release tanks that are either super tanks that kill everything with one shot and take 10 shots to kill it, or when they make the tanks too weak where they are easily destroyed by the BIS tanks.  

As you said, balance is the key mixed with a little bit of realism.    That is something that many tank addon makers haven't figured out.  

The stock tanks in the game for example, have it where the M1 is slightly more powerful then the T-80.  In real life, the M1's are vastly superior to the T80's in terms of it's fire control system and armor levels, however it still can be destroyed by a T80 or T-72's 125mm cannon if they are using proper SABOT ammo.  In Iraq, the SABOT rounds used by the Iraqi army in their T-72's were made from extremely poor quality steel, thus they did not kill any of the M1's as far as I am aware of (only mobility kills).  

BIS translated all of this into OFP by making the M1 just a little more powerful then the T80 in order to maintain a proper balance.  All in all I think they did a great job of doing this and I wish tank addon makers would stick to this unless balance unless they are making WWII tank addons (where most Allied tanks were vastly outclassed by German heavy tanks).  

At any rate, hopefully Quakergamer will up the armor on the Challenger so that it matches the M1's in the game.  Also the sites may be a bit off as sometimes the AI misses shooting at stationary targets.  Other then that and the front/rear clipping problems, I think his Challenger is a great tank.  Oh... but I don't like his SA-80's as they are unrealistic.  He should use BIBMI's SA-80's which can be found in the British Royal Marine "teaser" addon that they released recently.  On BIBMI's SA-80 they have realistic sites, decent sounds, and a realistic model that sits properly in the hands of the soldiers.  

Also, he should just retexture the U.S. tankers instead of using re-textured Russian troops since tankers don't carry backpacks on their back and they usually have "tanker" helmets with headsets in them or they wear a beret with a headset over it.  

So hopefully Quakergamer will continue to improve his Challenger.  It's definitely a very good start and the sounds are great....   oooh and he of coarse needs to take off those exploding 7.62mm bullets.     Hehehe.  

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

To this day I have never seen an ACTUAL evidence of Abrahms having MUCH better armor then T-80UM. There is lots of talk (speculation), but not evidence. What would happen to M1 if you shoot it with depleted uranium(DU) shells? Will it also hold? US dont release this kind of info (which is understandable). So we can only speculate here. M1 has superior fire control system (most of the western electronics are superior). But the Russian have autoloaders. This increase the ability to maitaine the rapid fire during prolong fights. Humans get tired with time (do you realise how much those shells weigh?). Speaking of shells. DU shells most likely be removed from service. After the first Gulf War many American tank crew members complaint about radiation poisoning. The dust from DU shells contains high levels of dangerous radiation.

Please don't compare Iraqis tanks to Russian tanks. Those are export varians and much inferior. There were 16 Abrahms destroyed in the last war in Iraq, mostly by an old AT guns from 1970's. The killer fact was 128 - 152mm caliber. Not only Russian tanks in Chechnya can suffer from RPG's if they are shot from behind or above, ANY tank will be destroyed by such tactics. I am not saying that Russian tanks are better, but I don't like when sometimes people just say that Russian staff is very inferior and never have any actual evidence to prove the point. As far as I know there were never any skirmishes between M1A2 and T-80UM, so to say that one is better then the other is just a speculation, no more.

On the subject. I think the new coming tanks should be oriented on the best latest models, not old BIS ones. Most ppl dont use the old models any more. I liked the King Homer's M1, but unfortunately it is WAY overpowered. I had to dig into config and make it less powerfull, with less armor and shorter IRscanner. Now I use it with Timmamas T-80UM and T-90. They can kill each other with 2 shots from the same distance. M1 crew can bail out, but not the T-80UM, so this is the advantage I give to M1, but no more. So, my games are now more fun and more challenging for both sides. I think that's the way it should be.

[Messiah 2]

you do realise that that post you replied to, is infact 2 years old? Not to mention stirring up an age old flame war us vs ussr tanks that every armchair expert in this forum enjoys arguing about?

surely if you were going to post in this thread, it should be only to help the poor sod find the addon he's searching for?

[soul_assassin 1750]

LMAO

oh yeh messiah yor p05Tc0u|\|7 is just sooo 1337.

[Messiah 2]

printscreened for posterity

[.COMmunist 0]

Oh shit, I didn't see the dates on it...

But I am sure as hell not starting a Words War 3 here! That's what I am trying to say. Nobody has enough REAL information to start making claims, just bunch of speculations and guesses. Who really cares about those...

[tankieboy 0]

Did someone say expert?

[Messiah 2]

i understood your intentions, just wanted to point out that others here like to express their opinions a little too freely, and without any sense.

[M9ACE 0]

b_ringer25, I think I still have the Challenger 1 you are looking for. If you cannot find exactly what you are looking for elsewhere than let me know. If I remember correctly, the only addon dependency was for the crew and I might have that as well.

[ShadowY 0]

ds_c2

Ukcrew: gw_ukdes

weapon: ds_sa80

Those r the ones you need

[blueredblue2005 0]

just to put the record straight on chally armour,we now use DORCHESTER which is much better than anything else on the market, no known round can/will go through this stuff

how do i know,i work with this stuff cheers all,hoped that helped

[Jezz 0]

Didnt one challenger 2 knock out another via friendly fire at the start of GW2 or am i thinking of something else?

[blueredblue2005 0]

very true mate but it wasnt the round going through the tank that killed crew member,he was working on topat the time it was the shock wave etc that took em out,the tank was still ready to rock and roll

[hellfish6 7]

I'm a bit loathe to keep this open, but it is a legitimate purpose to dig up an old topic if you can't find a specific addon anymore. Please avoid carrying on conversations and arguments from years ago, though.

And from my sources, I've heard that the Chally 2 is the best armored tank in the world today, with something like 1100mm RHA vs. kinetic weapons, whilst the M1A2SEP has only something like 950 and the Leo2A6EX has 1025. The nearest Russian tank had something like 800mm RHA vs. AP ammo, IIRC.

[Przezdzieblo 0]

Well, AFAIR in GW2 due to friendly fire one Challenger 2 was hit by the other, one crew member was killed and one seriously injured.

.COMmunist, I believe you that you have never seen an ACTUAL evidence of Abrahms having MUCH better armor then T-80UM. Nor did I. But this is a job for inteligences, people, who`s work is to estimate opponents armour quality, this is a job of armour and rounds constructor, finally, this is a hobby for many tank lovers, to try to find out what is a level of protection of various vehicles.

There is lots of talk (speculation), but not evidence. What would happen to M1 if you shoot it with depleted uranium(DU) shells? Will it also hold? US dont release this kind of info (which is understandable). So we can only speculate here.

Yes, we can.

In mid 90`s S. Zaloga claimed that M1 front turret armour is about 350 mm RHAe against KE rounds. Russian tanklovers (or just from East) agree, their Western opponents see this value today about 400 mm RHAe, near level of T-72A/M1.

There are many DU rounds (even few Russian). Some, older, less powerfull, might have problems with M1 armour. Another, newer, probably could be dangerous even for the most armoured modern MBTs, like Chally 2, Leo 2 A5/6 (or Strv 122), the newest Merkavas, M1A2 or T-90 (with welded turret, new ceramic inserts and K-5).

M1 has superior fire control system (most of the western electronics are superior). But the Russian have autoloaders. This increase the ability to maitaine the rapid fire during prolong fights.

Yes, it does. But why all FCS were developed? To increase the probability of "first shot kill" (in move). Prolonged firefights in era of firepower and fast manoeuvres? Even if so, quanity of ready for use ammunition does count here too, not only rate of fire. When T-90 or T-80 use all ammo from autoloader (22 and 28 rounds), rearming in battle situation is imposible. Western crew got a little better situation.

DU shells most likely be removed from service. After the first Gulf War many American tank crew members complaint about radiation poisoning. The dust from DU shells contains high levels of dangerous radiation.

This is a thread for many speculations. But, I suppose, the most researchers say about DU that it`s dust is heavy poisionous, and level of radiation is very low.

Please don't compare Iraqis tanks to Russian tanks. Those are export varians and much inferior.

Monkey model myth again? Export T-72M were at level of standard T-72, export T-72M1 - same protection level and fire control as Russian T-72A. Maybe Iraq build Asad Babyls were inferior in protection aspect when compared to T-72M1... The problem of Iraq tankers was that they used obsolete (when compared with M1A1 or Challenger 1) stuff, both vehicles and ammo. But not because their export "monkey models" were worse than Russian vehicles, on which those were based.

There were 16 Abrahms destroyed in the last war in Iraq, mostly by an old AT guns from 1970's. The killer fact was 128 - 152mm caliber. Not only Russian tanks in Chechnya can suffer from RPG's if they are shot from behind or above, ANY tank will be destroyed by such tactics.

Source, please. Could be WWW. I just want to read a little

Also, more attention where using word "destroyed". Note, that if RPG hit could litterally destroy T-72 (turret pop-up, hull in pieces, crew killed; of course I mean with "lucky" shot), to do the same with Abrams powerful IED is needed.

As far as I know there were never any skirmishes between M1A2 and T-80UM, so to say that one is better then the other is just a speculation, no more.

But you compare crew losses when tank was hit by various rounds. And photos of lost vehicles. Abramses usually presents... better, in one piece.

On the subject. I think the new coming tanks should be oriented on the best latest models, not old BIS ones. Most ppl dont use the old models any more. I liked the King Homer's M1, but unfortunately it is WAY overpowered.

King Homer made M1A2, as far - ultimate American MBT. Using M829A3 ammo, compared with BIS East tanks (T-72, looks like Czech T-72M1D wich Dyna ERA; T-80BV) it MUST appear as overpowered.

Also, if there is no WORKING armour values standard, it is hard to find a base for balance for new addons. Hope CAVS would change it before Game 2.

I had to dig into config and make it less powerfull, with less armor and shorter IRscanner. Now I use it with Timmamas T-80UM and T-90. They can kill each other with 2 shots from the same distance. M1 crew can bail out, but not the T-80UM, so this is the advantage I give to M1, but no more.

Note, that Russian rounds as far are inferior than Western. The most powerfull Russian KE ammunition, about which there is any data, is at level of M829A1 - the (in)famous "Silver Bullet" from Desert Storm! - and still it is probably not regular. BM42 and BM32 (with toxic and full of "dangerous radiation" DU ) today are more and more obsolete. Even if level of frontal protection of M1A2 and latest T-90s or T-80s are similar, American have more lethal rounds.

I tried Timmamas tanks (with that fabulous scripts of reactive armour... odd mix of K-5 ERA, APS Arena and EOCMDAS Shtora), I hope RHS ones appear soon.

So, my games are now more fun and more challenging for both sides. I think that's the way it should be.

Nobody said that searching for realism in games is fun and challenging

[tankieboy 0]

Please close this topic before any more experts come along.

The question asked has been answered.

[king homer 1]

On the subject. I think the new coming tanks should be oriented on the best latest models, not old BIS ones. Most ppl dont use the old models any more. I liked the King Homer's M1, but unfortunately it is WAY overpowered.

King Homer made M1A2, as far - ultimate American MBT. Using M829A3 ammo, compared with BIS East tanks (T-72, looks like Czech T-72M1D wich Dyna ERA; T-80BV) it MUST appear as overpowered.

Also, if there is no WORKING armour values standard, it is hard to find a base for balance for new addons. Hope CAVS would change it before Game 2.

Overpowered - yes - but only the version 2.00.

Version 2.5 is WIP. It will include downscaled values to fit the RHS tanks/Sigma's tanks and also a CAVS version will be featured... and some other cool stuff we're currently working on.

[Pathy 0]

Why cant people discuss tanks without thinking themselves to be fountains of knowledge and feeling like they have to share thier googled expertise with the rest of the world.