DarkLight 0 Posted January 5, 2003 Damn security council resolution!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harnu 0 Posted January 5, 2003 Good points with the radar Jinef, even if they aren't balanced, but I understand. But I did have to giggle at this part: </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If America really wants to just get on with life and start making soap operas about 11/9<span id='postcolor'> Just having fun with ya mate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted January 9, 2003 U.S. Has no case for attack? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Othin 0 Posted January 9, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 08 2003,17:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">U.S. Has no case for attack?<span id='postcolor'> </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Denis Halliday, who resigned as the UN assistant secretary-general nearly five years ago in opposition to economic sanctions against Iraq, told Canada AM that if Iraq really had nuclear weapons, the U.S. approach would be quite different. "We would not see the embargo and we would not see the threat of war, which for most Iraqis is literally around the corner," he said from Baghdad.<span id='postcolor'> We wouldn't see an embargo because of Iraq having nuclear weapons? Err, what about the embargo(s) against North Korea? The threat of war is debatable. In the North Korean situation there isn't a threat of war, but the regions are so vastly different that I can't really say there wouldn't be. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Halliday said there are many reasons the U.S. wants war with Iraq: They want to remap the Middle East, install America-friendly governments, control oil and enhance the security and possible expansion of Israel.<span id='postcolor'> Remap the middle east? I'm not sure how that is different then his next accusation so I'll leave that alone. Install America-friendly governments? There is NO country out there that wouldn't prefer to have governments friendly to their causes. If a regime change does come about in Iraq then of course the U.S. is going to want someone "friendly" in power. Just like the Iranians, Saudi's, Isreali's, and everyone else. I hope that the ultimate decision is left up to the Iraqi people and that the U.S. and Iran (the two biggest players in a future Iraq) stay out of the political process. Possible expansion of Isreal? This definately came out of left field. Smells like someone has an agenda to me. But my opinion (we know how much that's worth) is that Isreal would want no part of expanding their terrirtory into Iraq. They have enough problems elsewhere. This has zero validity in my summation. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"This is not about weapons of mass destruction as far as I'm concerned." <span id='postcolor'> That speaks for itself. The article never did seem to point out what exactly the propoganda was either. The second part of the article was a smattering of AP and line news... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted January 9, 2003 OKay, I'm not siding with anything so I can't argue with you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jinef 2 Posted January 11, 2003 The HMS Ark Royal and HMS Ocean with a load of Royal Marines and 20 support ships is heading off to Iraq as we type. Though Tony Blair is saying that the UN WIs need more time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DarkLight 0 Posted January 13, 2003 What i really hate is that the 'big guys' are nagging to eachother and bragging that they'll bomb everyone to pieces. And when the action starts, the big guys go hide in their little nuclear bunkers while us, the normal people, get bombed to pieces and while we can go fight because they want something done... Fucking world, why not let the American Gov fight against Saddam and his gov., it'll be a fight till death, the last man standing wins... Easy, and i'm sure there'll be peace before you know it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NavyEEL 0 Posted January 13, 2003 just an article i received via email... </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Subject: Tony Parsons - London Daily Mirror No matter what your views on President Bush's statement of upcoming war, this, from an English journalist, is very interesting. Just a word of background, for those of you who aren't familiar with the UK's Daily Mirror. This is a notoriously left-wing daily that is normally not supportive of the Colonials across the Atlantic. Tony Parsons Daily Mirror September 11, 2002: ONE year ago, the world witnessed a unique kind of broadcasting -- the mass murder of thousands, live on television. As a lesson in the pitiless cruelty of the human race, September 11 was up there with Pol Pot's mountain of skulls in Cambodia, or the skeletal bodies stacked like garbage in the Nazi concentration camps. An unspeakable act so cruel, so calculated and so utterly merciless that surely the world could agree on one thing - nobody deserves this fate. Surely there could be consensus: the victims were truly innocent, the perpetrators truly evil. But to the world's eternal shame, 9/11 is increasingly seen as America's comeuppance. Incredibly, anti-Americanism has increased over the last year. There has always been a simmering resentment to the USA in this country - too loud, too rich, too full of themselves and so much happier than Europeans - but it has become an epidemic. And it seems incredible to me. More than that, it turns my stomach. America is this country's greatest friend and our staunchest ally. We are bonded to the US by culture, language and blood. A little over half a century ago, around half a million Americans died for our freedoms, as well as their own. Have we forgotten so soon? And exactly a year ago, thousands of ordinary men, women and children - not just Americans, but from dozens of countries - were butchered by a small group of religious fanatics. Are we so quick to betray them? What touched the heart about those who died in the twin towers and on the planes was that we recognized them. Young fathers and mothers, somebody's son and somebody's daughter, husbands and wives, and children, some unborn. And these people brought it on themselves? And their nation is to blame for their meticulously planned slaughter? These days you don't have to be some dust-encrusted nut job in Kabul or Karachi or Finsbury Park to see America as the Great Satan. The anti- American alliance is made up of self-loathing liberals who blame the Americans for every ill in the Third World, and conservatives suffering from power-envy, bitter that the world's only superpower can do what it likes without having to ask permission. The truth is that America has behaved with enormous restraint since September 11. Remember the gut-wrenching tapes of weeping men phoning their wives to say, "I love you," before they were burned alive. Remember those people leaping to their deaths from the top of burning skyscrapers. Remember the hundreds of firemen buried alive. Remember the smiling face of that beautiful little girl who was on one of the planes with her mum. Remember, remember - and realize that America has never retaliated for 9/11 in anything like the way it could have. So a few al-Qaeda tourists got locked without a trial in Camp X-ray? Pass the Kleenex... So some Afghan wedding receptions were shot up after they merrily fired their semi-automatics in a sky full of American planes? A shame, but maybe next time they should stick to confetti. AMERICA could have turned a large chunk of the world into a parking lot. That it didn't is a sign of strength. American voices are already being raised against attacking Iraq - that's what a democracy is for. How many in the Islamic world will have a minute's silence for the slaughtered innocents of 9/11? How many Islamic leaders will have the guts to say that the mass murder of 9/11 was an abomination? When the news of 9/11 broke on the West Bank, those freedom-loving Palestinians were dancing in the street. America watched all of that - and didn't push the button. We should thank the stars that America is the most powerful nation in the world. I still find it incredible that 9/11 did not provoke all-out war. Not a "war on terrorism." A real war. The fundamentalist dudes are talking about "opening the gates of hell," if America attacks Iraq. Well, America could have opened the gates of hell like you wouldn't believe. The US is the most militarily powerful nation that ever strode the face of the earth. The campaign in Afghanistan may have been less than perfect and the planned war on Iraq may be misconceived. But don't blame America for not bringing peace and light to these wretched countries. How many democracies are there in the Middle East, or in the Muslim world? You can count them on the fingers of one hand - assuming you haven't had any chopped off for minor shoplifting. I love America, yet America is hated. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle. But I would rather be a dog in New York City than a Prince in Riyadh. Above all, America is hated because it is what every country wants to be - rich, free, strong, open, optimistic. Not ground down by the past, or religion, or some caste system. America is the best friend this country ever had and we should start remembering that. Or do you really think the USA is the root of all evil? Tell it to the loved ones of the men and women who leaped to their death from the burning towers. Tell it to the nursing mothers whose husbands died on one of the hijacked planes, or were ripped apart in a collapsing skyscraper. And tell it to the hundreds of young widows whose husbands worked for the New York Fire Department. To our shame, George Bush gets a worse press than Saddam Hussein. Once we were told that Saddam gassed the Kurds, tortured his own people and set up rape-camps in Kuwait. Now we are told he likes Quality Street. Save me the orange center, oh mighty one! The of the greatest atrocities in human history was committed against America. No, do more than remember NEVER FORGET <span id='postcolor'> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 14, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NavyEEL @ Jan. 14 2003,00:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">just an article i received via email... <snip: long propaganda article> <span id='postcolor'> This is what I would call 'spam' mail. It is about as credible as the "Earn 50 million dollars in two seconds" mails that I recieve from time to time.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted January 14, 2003 Actual Article Actually you will be happy to know this was actually written by Tony Parsons and published 9/11/2002. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted January 14, 2003 It's still spam. I mean, read the propaganda. Even what I write on the worst of days has more meaning than that pile of... doodie? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NavyEEL 0 Posted January 14, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 14 2003,02:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's still spam. Â Â I mean, read the propaganda. Â Even what I write on the worst of days has more meaning than that pile of... doodie?<span id='postcolor'> "spam"? if you consider that spam, then i guess you consider EVERY news article or personal post to be "spam". it's a person voicing his opinion, and backing it up with relevant facts. just because you don't like what it has to say does not mean it's "spam." you want "spam"? how about you look at your reply--totally meaningless. it has no purpose other than to flame the post i made. at least mine has substance and value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted January 14, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 14 2003,02:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's still spam. I mean, read the propaganda. Even what I write on the worst of days has more meaning than that pile of... doodie?<span id='postcolor'> No worse than some of the crap I see posted on here or linked to here. Propoganda? Hardly. Opinion/Editorial? Clearly. Least it wasn't listed as "News." And whether it is spam or not, was merely refering to denoir not giving it any crediability. A lot of similiar spams floated around after 9/11, most of them bogus or 30 years old or not even really written. This one happens to be true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted January 14, 2003 And it is my opinion that that is pure propaganda. I called it spam to get you guys going. Am I allowed to have an opinion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NavyEEL 0 Posted January 14, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 14 2003,02:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Am I allowed to have an opinion. Â <span id='postcolor'> NO! lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted January 14, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 14 2003,02:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And it is my opinion that that is pure propaganda. I called it spam to get you guys going. Am I allowed to have an opinion. <span id='postcolor'> Considering spam in its strictest definition is unsoliceted email...this COULD be refered to as spam. This is no place for an opinion! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 14, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NavyEEL @ Jan. 14 2003,02:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Jan. 14 2003,02:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's still spam. Â Â I mean, read the propaganda. Â Even what I write on the worst of days has more meaning than that pile of... doodie?<span id='postcolor'> "spam"? Â if you consider that spam, then i guess you consider EVERY news article or personal post to be "spam". Â it's a person voicing his opinion, and backing it up with relevant facts. Â just because you don't like what it has to say does not mean it's "spam." Â you want "spam"? Â how about you look at your reply--totally meaningless. Â it has no purpose other than to flame the post i made. Â at least mine has substance and value.<span id='postcolor'> No, because spam emails only come by.. email, and are not posted. I refered to it as spam since you said you got it by mail. If you had posted it as a link to an editorial or a news article, I would have refered to it as propaganda instead. And as for substance and value of the article, I put more value in the tissue I wipe my dear arse with Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NavyEEL 0 Posted January 14, 2003 it's inconsiderate people like yourself that make me proud to be an American. what gets me even more excited is that, regardless of how many immature comments you make, you have no voice OR weight in the matter of the United States of America (aka the world's only superpower and the only country actively engaged in trying to better the world). you pretend to be mature when defending your own opinions, but when it comes to the opinion of another person you simply show your ignorance and your lack of anything valuable to say. if you would open your eyes, there are many truths in this article, and you could learn a lot. but then again, i guess you already know everything there is to know about being a dictator, censoring people's speech, and taking away people's freedoms--after all, that's all you do as a forum moderator isn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 14, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NavyEEL @ Jan. 14 2003,04:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it's inconsiderate people like yourself that make me proud to be an American. Â what gets me even more excited is that, regardless of how many immature comments you make, you have no voice OR weight in the matter of the United States of America (aka the world's only superpower and the only country actively engaged in trying to better the world). Â you pretend to be mature when defending your own opinions, but when it comes to the opinion of another person you simply show your ignorance and your lack of anything valuable to say.<span id='postcolor'> Hmm, is it just me or do I sense a case of minority complex here? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> if you would open your eyes, there are many truths in this article, and you could learn a lot. <span id='postcolor'> It doesn't even attempt to hide that it is pure propaganda. It trivialises the issues to an insulting degree. What do you think about this article? </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">but then again, i guess you already know everything there is to know about being a dictator, censoring people's speech, and taking away people's freedoms--after all, that's all you do as a forum moderator isn't it?<span id='postcolor'> [sarcasm] it's inconsiderate people like yourself that make me proud to be a moderator. what gets me even more excited is that, regardless of how many immature comments you make, you have no voice OR weight in the matter of moderators (aka the forums's only administrators and the only member group actively engaged in trying to better the world). [/sarcasm] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NavyEEL 0 Posted January 14, 2003 thanks for making my point clear as day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Akira 0 Posted January 14, 2003 Now now kiddies. Everyone go to their corner and cool off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 14, 2003 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Jan. 14 2003,05:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Now now kiddies. Everyone go to their corner and cool off. <span id='postcolor'> I don't have to cool off. Don't you know that I am a dictator who bans and censors those who don't agree with me in discussions </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">thanks for making my point clear as day. <span id='postcolor'> You didn't answer my question NavyEEL. I am very much interested what you think of this article. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NavyEEL 0 Posted January 14, 2003 i thought you said those articles were pure propaganda? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 14, 2003 5--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (NavyEEL @ Jan. 14 2003,065)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i thought you said those articles were pure propaganda?<span id='postcolor'> I said that the article that you posted was pure propaganda. I consider however that this article too is it too, just from the opposite viewpoint. I just wanted you to come to that conclusion by yourself. It is quite easy to differentiate between a serious article and a pamphlett. Both the article that you posted and the link that I gave are prime examples of very biased opinions that can't be taken seriously. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NavyEEL 0 Posted January 14, 2003 they're both opinions, true. all i ask is that you read and soak in what it discusses, as much of what it talks about is true--there is evidence of it on these forums. i dont need nor do i appreciate derogatory comments towards my contribution to these forums. so much for a "friendly discussion" atmosphere. how mature is it to say "i put as much value in that as the tissue i wipe my ass with"? not very. if you all would like to have a discussion, then that's what im a member of this forum for. otherwise, keep your rude comments to yourselves Share this post Link to post Share on other sites