The Iraq Thread

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Apologies, didn't pay close enough attention.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So is the Taliban somehow related to blowing up the American soldiers in Lebanon?

Is the Taliban related to PAN AM downing?<span id='postcolor'>

Yes they are related, they are all terroists.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ROR @ Mar. 21 2003,23:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So is the Taliban somehow related to blowing up the American soldiers in Lebanon?

Is the Taliban related to PAN AM downing?<span id='postcolor'>

Yes they are related, they are all terroists.<span id='postcolor'>

What about the terrorists that the US has trained at the School of the Americas?

Your hypocrisy in the face of international realities is staggering.

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The school of americas is closed. And for those poor peasant farmers in columbia, who supply the world with cocaine. They deserve death.

Canada, always willing to point out what it does not like about the U.S., but never willing to look in the mirror and face its penis envy of it.

Your ignorance in the face of international realities is staggering.

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Turkey to invade Northern Iraq, US not happy:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2874635.stm

Hmm, wonder what will happen when the Kurds meet the Turks, could turn a bit bloody?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ROR @ Mar. 22 2003,00:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The school of americas is closed. And for those poor peasant farmers in columbia, who supply the world with cocaine. They deserve death.

Canada, always willing to point out what it does not like about the U.S., but never willing to look in the mirror and face its penis envy of it.

Your ignorance in the face of international realities is staggering.<span id='postcolor'>

Ahhhhh...I see.  You dont teach central americans to be terrorists ANYMORE.  It all makes sense now.

I have no envy of the United States.  I am proud of my nation, and proud that we have not bought into the jingoism spewing out of the White House.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tales_From_Topographic_Oceans @ Mar. 21 2003,14:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"9-11, it opened a lot of Americans eyes."

Not really. It pissed them off, but its obvious they didnt learn anything.<span id='postcolor'>

damn straight. These foreign bastards have poked a hornets' nest, and now they are going to pay hell in Afghanistan and Iraq. If they do not want us over there in their holy land, then they should not have provoked us to wrath. The Egyptian President blames Saddam for all of this. Yes, we are pissed off and are out for revenge (aka justice).

I should note that the Iraqi army appears to be in complete chaos. Remember folks, the purpose of the military is to kill people and break things. They are doing a jolly good job at it so far. Good for them! Hurray for the Yankees and the Brits and the Aussie's. Keep up the good work! Give Saddam my regards and put a maverick up his arse, compliments of the US. This is wonderful!

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Hmm, where do I even begin with this quote...

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">damn straight. These foreign bastards have poked a hornets' nest, and now they are going to pay hell in Afghanistan and Iraq. <span id='postcolor'>

What, all foreigners must pay for S11, regardless of nationality, or politicial/religous orientation?

BTw, you DO realise Iraq had nothing to do with S11, yes? I think that this has been thrown about so much by American media the American people are really starting to believe the Iraq is responsible for the WTC attacks. Check the facts.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, we are pissed off and are out for revenge (aka justice).<span id='postcolor'>

Revenge and justice the same thing? Welcome to the de-evolution of mankind, people. Maybe we need some sort of "crusade" against these heathen devils? Oh wait, we already did that one...

It really amazes me how readily some people seem to blame Iraq for the S11 attack. I guess you should never let evidence get in the way of a good hate-story.

Can I just remind everyone that Iraq has never committed an act of aggression against the USA? Never...

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tales_From_Topographic_Oceans @ Mar. 21 2003,16:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As I recall, the Aussies were not on board until their tourist attraction in Bali was blown to smithereens by terrorists. This is fact. They were wishy-washy until that happened. When you are attacked, it changes one's perspective.<span id='postcolor'>

What a load of unadulterated shit.

The majority of Australians were and still are against the action in Iraq. Trust me, I am an Australian.

Australia was greatly upset by the Bali bombing, but unlike some Americans didn't transform into a bunch of bloodthirsty animals looking for a scapegoat for our anger and fear.

The only reason Australia is involved is because our Prime Minister is a bootlicking toady to Bush. And he happened to be in America at the time of the WTC attack, which meant he was caught in an awkward position. Face to face with Bush at the time of this tragedy, he shot his mouth off and pledged unconditional loyalty to the USA in "the war on terror" without checking with his cabinet or advisers. He put his foot in his mouth, and after that couldn't back down in his support without appearing weak or foolish.

So get you facts straight, Australia was committed to action long before Bali. But committed by her leaders, not by public opinion. Too many people here remember how many Australians died supporting America in their dirty little war in Vietnam to be very happy about our alliance with you now. By the way, the government that committed our troops to Vietnam on your behalf and introduced conscription were ousted by the biggest majority in Australian political history. I can only hope the same happens to John Howard.

Congratulations, this is my new first place for the most offensive and ill informed post in this thread.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Revenge and justice the same thing? Welcome to the de-evolution of mankind, people. Maybe we need some sort of "crusade" against these heathen devils? Oh wait, we already did that one...<span id='postcolor'>

nah last time we had the crusades we tried to bring them christianity,now we bring them democracy..........

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Might be old news.. but an entire division just surrendered. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....nders_5

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Mar. 22 2003,02:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Revenge and justice the same thing? Welcome to the de-evolution of mankind, people. Maybe we need some sort of "crusade" against these heathen devils? Oh wait, we already did that one...<span id='postcolor'>

nah last time we had the crusades we tried to bring them christianity,now we bring them democracy..........<span id='postcolor'>

Hearing Bush's speaches even that confuses me.

I heard 'God is on our side' so much I thought it was a sermon.

I really wonder what posseses the people to connect Saddam to terrorism.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frisbee @ Mar. 22 2003,02:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Mar. 22 2003,02:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Revenge and justice the same thing? Welcome to the de-evolution of mankind, people. Maybe we need some sort of "crusade" against these heathen devils? Oh wait, we already did that one...<span id='postcolor'>

nah last time we had the crusades we tried to bring them christianity,now we bring them democracy..........<span id='postcolor'>

Hearing Bush's speaches even that confuses me.

I heard 'God is on our side' so much I thought it was a sermon.

I really wonder what posseses the people to connect Saddam to terrorism.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, linkingSaddam to AQ is inane and insipid...

But i dont doubt that Saddam had a bit of a private party when the 9/11 attacks occured. He's a genuinely evil dictator.

But there are a lot more of them in the world, and I hope that the US doesnt decide to appoint itself the arbiter of right and wrong forever.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frisbee @ Mar. 22 2003,07:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I really wonder what posseses the people to connect Saddam to terrorism.<span id='postcolor'>

Aside from the training camps, he gives money to suicide bombers.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 22 2003,02:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But there are a lot more of them in the world, and I hope that the US doesnt decide to appoint itself the arbiter of right and wrong forever.<span id='postcolor'>

What, not interested in a Pax Americanus?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Mar. 22 2003,02:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 22 2003,02:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But there are a lot more of them in the world, and I hope that the US doesnt decide to appoint itself the arbiter of right and wrong forever.<span id='postcolor'>

What, not interested in a Pax Americanus?<span id='postcolor'>

Not really. Mostly because the Bush Administrations idea of Pax Americanus is to 'convert' the rest of the worlds into a carbon copy of US 'democracy'

And we all know how well THAT works.

I cant wait till the post war period to see what happens when the people of Iraq elect a government that is not friendly to the US

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Chirac The Ornery

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 22 2003,02:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Chirac The Ornery<span id='postcolor'>

Wow. I cant believe i am going to say this:

Chirac is right

I dont think 'the coalition of the willing', after undertaking an illegal war, should be allowed to administer a post war Iraq. If the United States wants to show it is in the right in removing Saddam, then it needs to step back and allow the UN to administer humanitarian aid in the post war Iraq, and lay the ground work for an independent government of Iraq after the reconstruction begins.

Anything else will be met by the world with cries of 'US imperialism' and none of you americans want that do you?

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bbq anyone

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Yes... Hilarious.....

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 22 2003,03:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 22 2003,02:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Chirac The Ornery<span id='postcolor'>

Wow. I cant believe i am going to say this:

Chirac is right

I dont think 'the coalition of the willing',  after undertaking an illegal war, should be allowed to administer a post war Iraq.  If the United States wants to show it is in the right in removing Saddam, then it needs to step back and allow the UN to administer humanitarian aid in the post war Iraq, and lay the ground work for an independent government of Iraq after the reconstruction begins.

Anything else will be met by the world with cries of 'US imperialism' and none of you americans want that do you?<span id='postcolor'>

But then there would only be french companies and russian ,chinese ,and some other companies getting the money to rebuild iraq.Is that fair for the US companies ?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But then there would only be french companies and russian ,chinese ,and some other companies getting the money to rebuild iraq.Is that fair for the US companies ?<span id='postcolor'>

Its not a sodding free for all! It should be delegated by the UN, and by countries that have no interest in Iraq.

No US/UK/France/Germany/Russia/Spain/Australia to be specific.

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Reagarding US precision bombs/missiles:

According to Swedish tv news (repeated all night, but I have not found a link to it) an IRANIAN oilwell 50 km east of Bastra has been hit by 'allied' missile, wounding 2 persons. The Iranian government have protested against this 'violation of Iranian airspace'...  

AND

Swedish tabliodpaper Aftonbladet had an article today (their source is indeed the newsagency AP) about Iraqi soldiers being promised huge anounts of money for every allied soldier/unit being killed/ destroyed:

One killed allied soldier: $ 14 000

One captured allied soldier: $28 000

One downed allied aircraft: $ 55 000

One downed allied chopper: $ 28 000

Preventing a missile from reaching its target: $ 5000

source:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,279790,00.html

Money talks aye? Remember the former Al Queida sodier who turned over that '911 mastermind' the other day, recieving $ 27 million? Maybe this is what Saddam has saved all money for the last decade. If its true, the allied might be in hte deep shit, without many more whole divisions surrendering.

And I agree with Chirac all the way, and to say it with the (approximate) words of Swedish foregin minister Anna Lindh earlier tonight: "The problem in the security council was not France, but rather the USA and UK"

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (foxer @ Mar. 22 2003,04:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 22 2003,03:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ Mar. 22 2003,02:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Chirac The Ornery<span id='postcolor'>

Wow. I cant believe i am going to say this:

Chirac is right

I dont think 'the coalition of the willing',  after undertaking an illegal war, should be allowed to administer a post war Iraq.  If the United States wants to show it is in the right in removing Saddam, then it needs to step back and allow the UN to administer humanitarian aid in the post war Iraq, and lay the ground work for an independent government of Iraq after the reconstruction begins.

Anything else will be met by the world with cries of 'US imperialism' and none of you americans want that do you?<span id='postcolor'>

But then there would only be french companies and russian ,chinese ,and some other companies getting the money to rebuild iraq.Is that fair for the US companies ?<span id='postcolor'>

Might be a little pie in the sky-ish, but I think that any company employed in the reconstruction should be the company that has shown the best aboility to do the required jobs, at the best price. After all, the reconstruction will be paid for out of the food-for-oil coffers, so why not strive to get the best deal.

And with the UK and the US involved in the process, through the UN, it will be harder for the others to try to slide the business to their cronies. Just like with the UN involved, it wont just be US companies lining their pockets.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Badgerboy @ Mar. 22 2003,04:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But then there would only be french companies and russian ,chinese ,and some other companies getting the money to rebuild iraq.Is that fair for the US companies ?<span id='postcolor'>

Its not a sodding free for all! It should be delegated by the UN, and by countries that have no interest in Iraq.

No US/UK/France/Germany/Russia/Spain/Australia to be specific.<span id='postcolor'>

agreed. more over, i'd prefer coalition of Arabic nations to be considered in aftermath. although Iran is not my favorite.

undoubtly, in the end, US will establish a military base or two in Iraq if it suceeds in topplins current gov't. that is good enough US influence, as far as i see.