Grand_Phenom 6 Posted July 5, 2017 For the Love of God could you Guys PLEASE take some time out to make SOME adjustments to the AI, (keeping up with you, Following accordingly, etc.) Planes, New maps, Tanks , are getting an upgrade, the AI needs a little love, even if its just a small amount, Without having to download 500 different mods to get them to function properly. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted July 5, 2017 Strangely enough, there's already a dedicated AI topic. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kremator 1065 Posted July 5, 2017 I think it is likely that this thread will be closed as nearly everyone and his dog has asked for this. It seems like it falls on deaf ears however! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grand_Phenom 6 Posted July 5, 2017 It's absolutely unbelievable That there can't been some sort of small patch/update, what ever it takes. If modders can produce some sort of viable Ai, why the Heck is there a big issue with the Development team. There is no excuse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rich_R 1087 Posted July 5, 2017 It's absolutely unbelievable that this wasn't included in one of the many other threads discussing this. There is no excuse. Amazing how well that works. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grumpy Old Man 3546 Posted July 6, 2017 12 hours ago, Grand_Phenom said: It's absolutely unbelievable That there can't been some sort of small patch/update, what ever it takes. If modders can produce some sort of viable Ai, why the Heck is there a big issue with the Development team. There is no excuse. Thing is, to do a meaningful AI overhaul you'd need to have access to the very core of the AI, which currently is not given. All you see in mods is just situationally enhanced AI behavior, nothing more. As long as an undetected single rifleman opens fire on 3 squads from the opposing faction there's still some work to do on the AI side of things. Reworking the AI to utilize emergent behavior that goes beyond simple finite state machines (what it is now) is more than a "small patch/update". Anything else isn't worth the time invested, especially given the complexity and scope of what the AI in a game like arma has to be capable of. As rich_r said, posting this in the proper thread goes a long way, hopefully a mod will move it soon. Cheers 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gunter Severloh 4063 Posted July 6, 2017 My AI Compilation list already has a number of threads that could have been used to post your issues, or suggestions for the AI, please use it in the future before starting new thread for AI, the thread is pinned and is there as a resource for the community. https://forums.bistudio.com/forums/topic/165560-ai-compilation-list-of-addonsmodsscripts-misc 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
froggyluv 2136 Posted July 6, 2017 Thats for addons/scripts -he's asking BI to do something about it which i very much agree with, like G.O.M stated -its a deep engine issue and a seemingly ended BI business practice (core AI). I guess the AI Dev thread is the one we all been using as the all encompassing "BI please do x,y,z for the AI" but even that thread is convoluted because A. Its original intention was to discuss the current Dev build of the AI not the overall -ness of it. B. AI is a huge topic -we could literally have threads for AI Infantry pathfinding, subskills, Tank AI, Strategic AI, Air Radar AI.... - boundless. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grand_Phenom 6 Posted July 7, 2017 18 hours ago, Grumpy Old Man said: Thing is, to do a meaningful AI overhaul you'd need to have access to the very core of the AI, which currently is not given. All you see in mods is just situationally enhanced AI behavior, nothing more. As long as an undetected single rifleman opens fire on 3 squads from the opposing faction there's still some work to do on the AI side of things. Reworking the AI to utilize emergent behavior that goes beyond simple finite state machines (what it is now) is more than a "small patch/update". Anything else isn't worth the time invested, especially given the complexity and scope of what the AI in a game like arma has to be capable of. As rich_r said, posting this in the proper thread goes a long way, hopefully a mod will move it soon. Cheers i'm not asking for a overhaul, if mods such as Bcombat, Asri ai, etc, can adjust function of Ai in this game, why the heck can't the development team make similar but more refine adjustments, not a complete rework of the Ai , that's elementary to know they won't spend a lot of time doing that, but they CAN make adjustments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grand_Phenom 6 Posted July 7, 2017 It's ok, i'm done none the less, there more people more concerned about where topics go, rather than the damn topic itself, which is understandable, thanks for the input anyway. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpacePilotMax 47 Posted July 7, 2017 Do you even know how AI works? Changing a part of something that complicated will probably break something. Even less complicated sorts of AI than that in Arma are very complex and hard to program. Arma has an advanced AI system, just try placing one in a city and see if it gets lost. I've seen AI clear a building by themselves without mods. That's worth something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grumpy Old Man 3546 Posted July 7, 2017 3 hours ago, SpacePilotMax said: Do you even know how AI works? Changing a part of something that complicated will probably break something. Even less complicated sorts of AI than that in Arma are very complex and hard to program. Arma has an advanced AI system, just try placing one in a city and see if it gets lost. I've seen AI clear a building by themselves without mods. That's worth something. The "clearing a building on its own" was probably just the AI leader telling the unit to move towards the last known enemy position. There is no such thing as a proper building breach and clearing procedure in the vanilla ai. Arma 3 AI is not as complex as you think it is. 3 hours ago, Grand_Phenom said: It's ok, i'm done none the less, there more people more concerned about where topics go, rather than the damn topic itself, which is understandable, thanks for the input anyway. That's because the topic has been debated to death in the respective threads already. Opening a new one with full cap begging in the title won't change anything (other than people telling you about forum etiquette, posting in the right place is a part of that). Cheers 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gunter Severloh 4063 Posted July 7, 2017 17 hours ago, froggyluv said: Thats for addons/scripts -he's asking BI to do something about it which i very much agree with, like G.O.M stated -its a deep engine issue and a seemingly ended BI business practice (core AI). I linked my thread because in it are threads for the dev branch: Development Branch AI Configuration - feedbackhttp://tinyurl.com/o45mzq3 Development Branch Captain's AI Loghttp://tinyurl.com/ka28gew AI Discussionhttp://tinyurl.com/pmcqlbh 5 hours ago, Grand_Phenom said: there more people more concerned about where topics go, rather than the damn topic itself Rather a couple, but the point is as i suggested is to review my thread before posting as it has threads in it that the devs use, which i listed above. Grand_phenom, your original post really isn't pointing out anything that hasn't already been asked, discussed, or suggested before, the AI over the years have improved a bit with updates, i do agree that we really shouldn't need to have to use alot mods to change the way of how they respond, ideally devs will listen to you more in dev section. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pettka 694 Posted July 7, 2017 The work on AI is an ongoing effort (as You may see even in this thread), the complexity of things affecting the AI make it a long run. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tankbuster 1746 Posted July 7, 2017 1 hour ago, pettka said: The work on AI is an ongoing effort (as You may see even in this thread), the complexity of things affecting the AI make it a long run. I don't mean to be rude or dismissive, but your guys said that two years ago and from a users point of view the situation hasn't improved. Arguably, its got worse 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
R0adki11 3949 Posted July 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, Tankbuster said: I don't mean to be rude or dismissive, but your guys said that two years ago and from a users point of view the situation hasn't improved. Arguably, its got worse Please elaborate in the correct thread how the AI have got worse. In my opinion the AI are much better than other games. The thread to discuss AI is here: Closing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
