Missile attack in yemen

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"how about the fact that european domination over middle east caused hostility towards western world? did europe do remedy work after their colonization was aborted? no wonder they hate western wrold. and who is now the biggest element in western world? of course US's stance on Israel issue agitates a lot of Arabs, but europe pretty much did nothing when it comes to root of problem either."

Are you saying that Europe is partially to blame for the attack on the US? I honestly doubt that. If Europe had caused nearly as much grief as the US we would have seen numerous terrorist attacks in European countries recently. But we havent.<span id='postcolor'>

not really. but europe should wash its blood-ridden hand to tell US about how to act. did europe ever send apologies to Arab nations saying sorry? and help them rebuild? how about idea of sending israelites to Palestine without any infrastructure nor system to prevent anger from both sides? europe was so busy with its own problem, but they certainly don't have 'holier than thou' basis.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"well, at least Norway tries to catch them and has ability to do so."

Yeah, but if they fail, you can bomb them. Right? Or if they refuse to hand the fellow over because lack of evidence. Then you can SURELY bomb them, right?

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if if if....

if Norweigian forces fail(most unlikely since all europeans claim that any european forces are better than US elite forces )then they will do better. did you get my point about yemen gov't's reaction to being informed? they said nothing. i.e. they didn't deny that they were not informed about predator. so yemen gov't has (at the moment) not decried the attack. so host country knows they had little resource, and reluctantly let US do its shit.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"and how EU managed to screw up and prevent Balkan crisis long time ago."

How do you suppose it could have been prevented? By premptive bombings BEFORE the violence started?<span id='postcolor'>

no, but intervening early enough with enough resource. which EU was not able to do.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Nov. 06 2002,09:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and how EU managed to screw up and prevent Balkan crisis long time ago.<span id='postcolor'>

That's bs. The EU did a crappy job on deciding a coherent policy for the Balkans, but they could have not prevented it.

One of the corner stones for the fuckups was the US insisting that Yugoslavia should stay one country at all costs.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Nov. 06 2002,10:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">not really. but europe should wash its blood-ridden hand to tell US about how to act. did europe ever send apologies to Arab nations saying sorry? and help them rebuild? how about idea of sending israelites to Palestine without any infrastructure nor system to prevent anger from both sides? europe was so busy with its own problem, but they certainly don't have 'holier than thou' basis.<span id='postcolor'>

Although Europe's colonialization was bad in many respects and in many parts of the world (hey we created the disaster called America ), Europe can't be blamed for the mid east.

The mid east became important 50 years ago, when its oil reserves were discovered. With a little help from the British, it has been mostly the US that has permanently fucked up that region.

[Longinius 1]

"not really. but europe should wash its blood-ridden hand to tell US about how to act. did europe ever send apologies to Arab nations saying sorry? and help them rebuild? how about idea of sending israelites to Palestine without any infrastructure nor system to prevent anger from both sides? europe was so busy with its own problem, but they certainly don't have 'holier than thou' basis."

I didnt think you would make this mistake Ralph, but Europe isnt one country. You cant slam it into one heap and make broad accusations and assumptions. There are many European nations who havent abused people in Arab nations and only sent relief, workers and money.

I don't think that Iceland ever did anything to harm Arab interests. And neither did Norway, Denmark or Sweden. I also doubt Finland would have done anything. Others I am not sure about could be Switzerland, Austria etc.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

People seem to think that EU = United States of Europe.

Well, no.

The EU consists of INDEPENDENT nations that have chosen to combine a few of their interests to get more out of it. However, in the end of the day it doesn't matter if they have the same currency or not or whom they do trade with most. In the end of the day each country has their own military force and their own elected government.

[Frisbee 0]

Belgium did capture some AQ members and is now preparing them for trial(or prepping them for transfer to the international court),so the cia didn't have to send a drone here to blow up cars.

Hope the Yemen governement agreed...

Anyway,they could've captured them just as easily (I think) fly in with helo,put a .50 in the engine block,land and keep them under shot,fairly sure they'll prefer surrendering to being hosed with 5.56 NATO.

But they're not getting trials anyway so what would be the use?

[advocatexxx 0]

This case is somewhat unusual, and killing a group of people without proving them to be guilty doesn't exactly go hand in hand with the US Jusice system.

BUT

The president did vow to hunt down these terrorists and bring them to justice. Obviously we wouldn't kill anyone anywhere for whatever reason. There isn't just one man at command of the US forces in the middle east, and when he says take out that car full of people then everyone does what he says. It's all branches of military and CIA as we read here. Could they have made a mistake ? Could it be that that group of people were infact civilans ? Yes. We're humans, we're imperfect and mistakes will ALWAYS happen. Though I believe they had sufficient evidence and information to conclude those people were infact terrorists.

What did we do in Afghanistan ? Try and arrest all that we suspect to be terrorists and bring them to trial ? Fuck them.

Predator has detected a group of men which were identified as terrorists, it took them out.

What should we have done ? Have some marines board a Blackhawk, send it out, coordinate the mission and apprehend them ? Shit, that alone would take a few hours to complete, which by then those terrorists would have been long gone.

Why risk American lives and money to try and apprehend someone and bring them to trial where more taxpayer money would be wasted to prosecute them ?

Predator had them in sight, CIA had sufficient evidence to conclude they were terrorists, and it took them out.

Good.

Those terrorists obviously didn't show any ethics or any sense of morale when they attacked us numerous times, why should be risk our lives and spend our money to bring them to trial which would nevertheless sentence them to execution or life in prison.

I say if you have enough evidence proving their status as a "terrorist" then shoot the fucker before he hits us.

[Longinius 1]

"Why risk American lives and money to try and apprehend someone and bring them to trial where more taxpayer money would be wasted to prosecute them ?"

Because they could be innocent.

[advocatexxx 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Nov. 06 2002,09:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Why risk American lives and money to try and apprehend someone and bring them to trial where more taxpayer money would be wasted to prosecute them ?"

Because they could be innocent.<span id='postcolor'>

If the military intelligence or the CIA have enough evidence to classify him (them) as a terrorist why bother. If they were just suspects then yeah go and apprehend them, but if you have enough proof then take them out.

If one of them was Osama Bin Laden or looked very much like him what would we do ? Ohhh you can't shoot him, you have to arrest and bring him to trial. No way. I'd shoot an extra Hellfire up his ass individually.

[SantaMania 0]

Terroism is defined by:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Intentionally kill innocent people to get more focuse on themself, Intentioally kill people without being threatened by them in a peacefully (not warzone) enviroment).<span id='postcolor'>

Meaning that the US government, or in this case, CIA, is using terrorism to hit them, ergo - they are terrorists themselves.

What i also find disturbing in this case is:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yemen (CNN) -- In a CNN interview, a top Pentagon official called a missile strike that killed six suspected al Qaeda members in Yemen "a very successful tactical operation" and said the U.S. must "keep the pressure on" terrorists wherever they are.<span id='postcolor'>

Suspected?!?!?!

I hope im not gonna be suspected by the American agency for any violent, since they suddenly are allowed to fly in missiles and take me out??!!!

Maybe all countries should get that missile defence thingy? I mean, we sure aint safe as long as america is here!?

[Longinius 1]

"If the military intelligence or the CIA have enough evidence to classify him (them) as a terrorist why bother.  If they were just suspects then yeah go and apprehend them, but if you have enough proof then take them out."

So you accept the word of the CIA and any governmental agency as the absolute and undisputed truth? Of course they say they have proof, but do you really think they will show it to anyone? No, they wont. So how do you know they actually have it then?

"If one of them was Osama Bin Laden or looked very much like him what would we do ?  Ohhh you can't shoot him, you have to arrest and bring him to trial.  No way.  I'd shoot an extra Hellfire up his ass individually."

Yes, that is exactly what CIA would do. Because who knows what might come out about the CIA if they put Osama on trial...

[PitViper 0]

once again we are pulled into the debate about whether we are at war with al queda or if this is simply some sort of international criminal cabal.

[Konyak-2 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Nov. 06 2002,11:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't think that Iceland ever did anything to harm Arab interests. And neither did Norway, Denmark or Sweden. I also doubt Finland would have done anything. Others I am not sure about could be Switzerland, Austria etc.<span id='postcolor'>

Please, please refrain from using Iceland in your anti-American slander. 2 days before anniversary of Sept 11, Iceland police detained an Arab that was in transit from Europe to New York. He had a shitload of British currency, two or three forged passports and no coherent story. While in detention, he managed to reach some flagpole string, and he hung himself. It would have been very interesting to know what his plans were.

I'd like to point out that German police is warning about a very possible attack from your "righteous-Jihad-that-only-hate-USA". Bali, attack was against WESTERNERS, read Non-Muslims, mostly Australians. Finland, some Pakistani or other Arab blew himself up in a mall next to a clown who was putting air into kids balloons.. In Iraq, a Christian nun was found beheaded in the streets. She was 100% Iraqi, only not Muslim.

Of course there's a war going on, only the enemy is chickenshit beyond what we before thought possible.

And where are you people getting the idea that Bush is evil?? He's repeatedly recognized Islam as a peace-loving religion that is not to blame for the few fanatics he is at war with, and he's put unprecedented pressure on Israel to allow a Palestinian state to be formed and coexist with them. What more can he do? Sign an eviction notice for Israel (which is not solely a US creation) on the grounds that they are unpopular with Arabs??

Course I'm not thrilled with how many things have happened, but as someone pointed out, typical Democrat and other liberal "peacelovers", have an amazing way of spewing out critisism without any idea themselves what is to be done.

You say Denmark never did anything to harm Arab interests.. No, then again, sitting back and watching things happen worked out real well for Denmark in WW II. Hope you like burkas on your ladies Hope you aren't to fond of pork either and like waking up to Allah-Akbar in the morning

Konyak

[Warin 0]

Konyak,

The point that you seem to be missing is that today it is Yemen, but when you let a nation start down such a slippery slope, next time it could easily be YOUR nation. Now, I am sure that if the US asked Canada to help investigate possible terrorists in our country, we'd do it... thus alleviating the need to worry about Predator Drones blowing the hell out of some guy in British Columbia. But what if a thorough investigation of the alleged terrorists didnt turn up any factual evidence, but that wasnt enough for the US?

[Longinius 1]

"Please, please refrain from using Iceland in your anti-American slander.  2 days before anniversary of Sept 11, Iceland police detained an Arab that was in transit from Europe to New York.  He had a shitload of British currency, two or three forged passports and no coherent story.  While in detention, he managed to reach some flagpole string, and he hung himself.   It would have been very interesting to know what his plans were."

And what, Iceland is to blaim for it? Are all Arab people automatically terrorists now? Dont you think there are "ordinary" Arab criminals or is everyone involved in this terrorism scheme?

"I'd like to point out that German police is warning about a very possible attack from your "righteous-Jihad-that-only-hate-USA"."

Yes, and they have warned before. They will probably warn again. And nations like Germany, France and Britain ARE targets for the muslims simply because they are allied with the US.

"Finland, some Pakistani or other Arab blew himself up in a mall next to a clown who was putting air into kids balloons.."

Who told you it was an Arab? That was not a terrorist act that had anything at all to do with muslims or Arabs. Not even remotely.

"You say Denmark never did anything to harm Arab interests..   No, then again, sitting back and watching things happen worked out real well for Denmark in WW II."

So you think Denmark would NOT have been occupied if they moved against Germany with their ENORMOUS army who surely would have gotten ten steps over the border? Denmark did all they could, as did Norway and every other occupied country.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Nov. 05 2002,00:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yemen (CNN) -- In a CNN interview, a top Pentagon official called a missile strike that killed six suspected al Qaeda members in Yemen<span id='postcolor'>

Has anyone noticed this?

[E6Hotel 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Nov. 06 2002,09:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It was an attack. They did it because they are evil and ar jealous of the way of life that the US citizens are enjoying. They hate the US for its freedom, love and understanding.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, according to OBL, it's because we have troops in Saudi Arabia and we support Israel. But that's okay; I'm sure if they bomb us some more we'll change our civilization to suit them.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Nov. 06 2002,09:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Don't you understand? The US was attacked. They are at war with terrorists. If Norway is harboring terrorists then it should be bombed. Your either with us or with the terrorists!<span id='postcolor'>

I don't think anyone here advocates bombing a country for trying but failing to apprehend terrorists. Harboring is a separate matter entirely. Whether you like it or not providing support and shelter to terrorists makes you an accessory.

Semper Fi

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Nov. 05 2002,10:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Nov. 06 2002,09:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It wasnt an attack, it was a retaliation. Or do you think all these terrorists just woke up one day and thought "Gosh I hate the US. I think I will fly a plan into the WTC."<span id='postcolor'>

It was an attack. They did it because they are evil and ar jealous of the way of life that the US citizens are enjoying. They hate the US for its freedom, love and understanding.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Um, so if a terrorist is hiding in lets say, Norway, and the government can't catch him. That gives you the right to bomb Norway? Then, in fact, the US is at war with the world. Gee, great move.<span id='postcolor'>

Don't you understand? The US was attacked. They are at war with terrorists. If Norway is harboring terrorists then it should be bombed. Your either with us or with the terrorists!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">FYI, that is how Hitlers get created.<span id='postcolor'>

That's bullshit. Hitler was a stupid evil man while Bush is a nice clever fellow. He wouldn't be the president of the United States otherwise.

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Denoir, does that wink mean that your whole damn post is an ironic one?

You are confusing me here, i sure hope it's all pure irony cuz that's some scary shit you wrote there!

[brgnorway 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Konyak-2 @ Nov. 06 2002,18:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Finland, some Pakistani or other Arab blew himself up in a mall next to a clown who was putting air into kids balloons.. <span id='postcolor'>

What are you talking about? He was an ethnic finish student of chemistry.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and he's put unprecedented pressure on Israel to allow a Palestinian state to be formed and coexist with them. <span id='postcolor'>

You are hilariously funny! As far as I know GWB is in the same administration as Dick Cheiney. Whasn't that the lad that told the world he wouldn't mind Arafat was hung?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You say Denmark never did anything to harm Arab interests.. No, then again, sitting back and watching things happen worked out real well for Denmark in WW II.<span id='postcolor'>

Actually, Denmark was invaded by a militarily superior Germany. That being said, they also had (like Norway) a well functioning recistanse movement. They also managed to evacuate all it's jewish citizens. The King of Denmark wore a yellow star on his coat in solidarity with the jews. Norway helped the world by blowing up the Rjukan Heavy water plant.

Danish and norwegian soldiers and pilots fought Germany through all of the war with homebases in England and Canada. They also took part in the D-day together with everyone else fighting Hitler.

Don't talk about things you obviosly don't know about.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (E6Hotel @ Nov. 06 2002,13:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Nov. 06 2002,09:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It was an attack. They did it because they are evil and ar jealous of the way of life that the US citizens are enjoying. They hate the US for its freedom, love and understanding.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, according to OBL, it's because we have troops in Saudi Arabia and we support Israel. But that's okay; I'm sure if they bomb us some more we'll change our civilization to suit them.<span id='postcolor'>

Man, are you ever missing the point.........

(from that snippet)

Who is the one forcefully changing someone elses civilization to suit them in the first place?

[E6Hotel 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Nov. 06 2002,16:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So you accept the word of the CIA and any governmental agency as the absolute and undisputed truth? Of course they say they have proof, but do you really think they will show it to anyone? No, they wont. So how do you know they actually have it then?<span id='postcolor'>

Assuming the CIA could reveal evidence without compromising personnel or future operations, what proof would be sufficient? Fer chrissake there's a videotape of of OBL gloating about how 9/11 was more successful than he expected and it gets written off as doctored. I haven't seen one media source here cast doubts on its authenticity.

(BTW: Here's where the "LMAO at the reliability of the American media which is obviously a Jewish-controlled pawn of the American government" card invariably gets played. For those of you out there entertaining these thoughts, I have a couple of suggestions:

-- Familiarize yourselves with the names "Woodward" and "Bernstein."

-- Watch the SEALs and Marines landing in Somalia in '92 being completely compromised by CNN video coverage.

Then come back and tell me how the American government controls our media.)

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Nov. 06 2002,16:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, that is exactly what CIA would do. Because who knows what might come out about the CIA if they put Osama on trial...<span id='postcolor'>

Clearly, the fact that he's the head of the world's most dangerous terrorist organization wouldn't factor into their thinking.

Semper Fi

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (brgnorway @ Nov. 05 2002,21:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You say Denmark never did anything to harm Arab interests..   No, then again, sitting back and watching things happen worked out real well for Denmark in WW II.<span id='postcolor'>

Actually, Denmark was invaded by a militarily superior Germany. That being said, they also had (like Norway) a well functioning recistanse movement. They also managed to evacuate all it's jewish citizens. The King of Denmark wore a yellow star on his coat in solidarity with the jews. Norway helped the world by blowing up the Rjukan Heavy water plant.

Danish and norwegian soldiers and pilots fought Germany through all of the war with homebases in England and Canada. They also took part in the D-day together with everyone else fighting Hitler.

Don't talk about things you obviosly don't know about.<span id='postcolor'>

Very impressive knowledge you have... Good to see that some people know a lot about Europe's history...

[E6Hotel 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frisbee @ Nov. 06 2002,13:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anyway,they could've captured them just as easily (I think) fly in with helo,put a .50 in the engine block,land and keep them under shot,fairly sure they'll prefer surrendering to being hosed with 5.56 NATO.<span id='postcolor'>

If you like, I can provide you the names of 18 Rangers who would disagree with you about the ease of a snatch-and-grab. And as was previously stated, by the time the ball got rolling the subjects could have been out of play.

Semper Fi

[E6Hotel 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ Nov. 06 2002,20:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Who is the one forcefully changing someone elses civilization to suit them in the first place?<span id='postcolor'>

Our actions are taken in RESPONSE to attacks against innocent civilians. Theirs are due to the fact that OBL got butthurt when Saudi Arabia permitted us to base there against Iraq after telling him and his former Mujahadeen that their services were not needed.

Semper Fi

[E6Hotel 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Nov. 06 2002,19:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And nations like Germany, France and Britain ARE targets for the muslims simply because they are allied with the US.<span id='postcolor'>

Let's assume that somehow, the U.S. is completely wiped out by "Muslim" fundamentalists (control the cheering, ya commie bastids). Who do you think is next on the list?

Semper Fi