Large demonstrations throughout the world

[DarkLight 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (advocatexxx @ Oct. 27 2002,21:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">King Beast you see conspiracies and hidden agendas when none may infact exist.  Sometimes, believe it or not, what you see on TV and read in the paper turns out to be the truth.  Don't complicate things as Ockham's razor often enough prevails.

Sure oil may play a part in this topic, but Hussein has been beaten in early '90s and seeing how he has not only broken his promises but repeatedly lied one can easily assume he's producing weapons and rebuilding his forces to hit us back.  Lately there have been reports of Al Qaida being linked in part to Iraq.  Who's to say he isn't developing chemical weapons which he would deliver through terrorists, that way he couldn't be directly blamed.

I say we take the fucker out before he does something stupid like that.  Soldier are there to fight and die, not innocent civilians.  That is not to say that US hasen't killed a single civilian during the Gulf War.  Nevertheless it's Armies that should fight not civilians and as such USA shouldn't allow Hussein to continue doing what many think he is doing but rather bring him and his regime down.  

"Bush is doing it for oil", yappidie yap yap yap, totally uneducated blunt little comment in my opinion.<span id='postcolor'>

Hm yeah, i don't think Bush does it for the oil. Basically i don't really understand why he does it.

I read a very interesting article a while ago, the tried to figure out if Sadam would('ve) be(en) able to build nuclear weapons.

I'll try to find it tomorrow if someone reminds me, i gotta go now so i can't do it now...

[DarkLight 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Oct. 27 2002,21:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Oct. 28 2002,20:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You can't keep nuclear bombs, some of them (not sure if this counts for all of them) are useless after a while.<span id='postcolor'>

huh ?

you can store nuclear weapons

in france , we got a few of our submarine's ballistic missiles stored since 30 years<span id='postcolor'>

Yes but certain gasses can't be kept for a long time (i think you can keep them for 4 years and then they are useless). I think that's some kind of nerve gas, that some ppl think Sadam uses.

I also read that in the article that i mentioned in my reply above this one...

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">People, come on, keep this discussion serious.

I am not US citizen. Thank god I´m not.

Ah, you obviously hate the U.S., so your opinion is pretty much void because whatever it is, it will be anti-US.

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I dont hate US. How can I ? I only hate how people talk about wars. I hate people that have no clue what the word war means in real life. I hate to see deads. I hate to see killed collateral damage children. I hate the smell that burnt bodies cause. I hate not to be able to explain to a civilian why there town was flattened and a completete generation was killed. I hate the economic motives behind wars. I hate the politicians for abusing fears and telling lies to convince their people that war is good. I am doing my part to make this world a little better. I am active UN trooper and have risked my life for people that only were able to survive a few days longer cause we have been there. And what I hate most is ignorance. Ignorance makes stupid. And stupidity makes a lot of people favour wars.

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Oct. 28 2002,20:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">People, come on, keep this discussion serious.

I am not US citizen. Thank god I´m not.

Ah, you obviously hate the U.S., so your opinion is pretty much void because whatever it is, it will be anti-US.

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I dont hate US. How can I ? I only hate how people talk about wars. I hate people that have no clue what the word war means in real life. I hate to see deads. I hate to see killed collateral damage children. I hate the smell that burnt bodies cause. I hate not to be able to explain to a civilian why there town was flattened and a completete generation was killed. I hate the economic motives behind wars. I hate the politicians for abusing fears and telling lies to convince their people that war is good. I am doing my part to make this world a little better. I am active UN trooper and have risked my life for people that only were able to survive a few days longer cause we have been there. And what I hate most is ignorance. Ignorance makes stupid. And stupidity makes a lot of people favour wars.<span id='postcolor'>

totally agreed

i have the feeling that only veterans can really understand what a war is

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Oct. 28 2002,13:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ Oct. 27 2002,20:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FW200 @ Oct. 28 2002,13<!--emo&)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ Oct. 28 2002,18:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SantaMania @ Oct. 28 2002,10:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You know, that is what we call racism over here in Europe. - People cannot be stamped due to skincolor, religious and sexual belongin. We had those laws put in ages ago,  does the US have them yet?<span id='postcolor'>

thats funny. Last I heard, synagogues are burning down all over Europe.  evidently you STILL don't care much for the Jews.<span id='postcolor'>

where did you hear that ??

What a load of cr*p.......

The one that told you must had a few drinks.......<span id='postcolor'>

I don't personally like the organization.. but I will reference them here.

http://news.amnesty.org/MAVP....ocument<span id='postcolor'>

I must say Pitfire, that you are right, these things happened here about a couple months ago.

But let's not forget that we are talking about a very small amount of people, it's not as if whole Europe participated.

Over here in Belgium, the police was used to secure religious buildings so when that group tries to strike again it can be prevented.

Racism still exists, it exists in America, Europe and of course also in the East.  Sad enough there'll always be some sick people who think their race is better than another...

Edit:  I didn't see this at first, you said: "Last I heard, synagogues are burning down all over Europe."

This isn't really true, they weren't burned down, there wasn't that much damage.  Just some lunatics throwed molotov cocktails inside.  "all over Europe" isn't really true either.

The amount of attacks weren't that big at all.

I'm not trying to deny this fact, you are saying the truth, but you are making it sound a lot worse than it actually was.<span id='postcolor'>

I'm sorry, but he was definitely trying to say that the U.S is far worst than Europe when it comes to the racial situation. I simply pointed out that Europe is in fact worst than the U.S. there has been virtually no change in crimes committed against Jews and Arabs in this country.

[N.o.R.S.u 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I only hate how people talk about wars. I hate people that have no clue what the word war means in real life. I hate to see deads. I hate to see killed collateral damage children. I hate the smell that burnt bodies cause. I hate not to be able to explain to a civilian why there town was flattened and a completete generation was killed. I hate the economic motives behind wars. I hate the politicians for abusing fears and telling lies to convince their people that war is good. I am doing my part to make this world a little better. I am active UN trooper and have risked my life for people that only were able to survive a few days longer cause we have been there. And what I hate most is ignorance. Ignorance makes stupid. And stupidity makes a lot of people favour wars.<span id='postcolor'>

I have to make a golden placard with these words on it (I'm going to UN forces if I can make it through the tests and so ).

War against Iraq? Is it really right to go and bomb out those poor Iraqs. Saddam isn't stupid enough to use his WMDs (if he has them that is) because that would only lead to destruction of his country (revenge) and more worse possibly into WW3. I say, let the weapons inspectors fight diplomatically their way to "secret labs" and see if US has an excuse the bomb out one country to stone age.

[ran 0]

UN forces , and where would you go after your "exams" ?

[advocatexxx 0]

Negotiators have been hard at work for years, eversince Sadaam kicked the UN inspectors out during the Clinton administration. Maybe we should sit back and let them "negotiate" for another decade and see what happens.

Taking down his regime and disarming his forces would prevent him from waging a war which would likely be as Balschoiw described.

Sadaam won't go quietly. He will most likely throw everything he's got to prevent defeat. The longer we wait the more strength and capability we give him, and clearly he's more concerned about bio-weapons programs than feeding his starving citizens, but that I suppose does not signify he has hostile intention, of course not. Let's sit back, enjoy our lives and let these /sarcasm/ successful negotiators /end sarcasm/ do their job.

Maybe Sadaam will agree to step down from power, completely destroy his weapons research facilities which he has spent decades developing/protecting and give USA a smile and a big "i am sorry".

You must be living in a fairy land.

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Oct. 28 2002,14:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">People, come on, keep this discussion serious.

I am not US citizen. Thank god I´m not.

Ah, you obviously hate the U.S., so your opinion is pretty much void because whatever it is, it will be anti-US.

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I dont hate US. How can I ? I only hate how people talk about wars. I hate people that have no clue what the word war means in real life. I hate to see deads. I hate to see killed collateral damage children. I hate the smell that burnt bodies cause. I hate not to be able to explain to a civilian why there town was flattened and a completete generation was killed. I hate the economic motives behind wars. I hate the politicians for abusing fears and telling lies to convince their people that war is good. I am doing my part to make this world a little better. I am active UN trooper and have risked my life for people that only were able to survive a few days longer cause we have been there. And what I hate most is ignorance. Ignorance makes stupid. And stupidity makes a lot of people favour wars.<span id='postcolor'>

That is so well put... I completely agree.

[N.o.R.S.u 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Oct. 28 2002,21:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">UN forces , and where would you go after your "exams" ?<span id='postcolor'>

Well not directly going to UN forces. First the basic training for that kind of things in army. Then comes the actual UN training. After UN training, if necessery I will be called to my country's UN peacekeepers platoon for certain time (you never know when the call comes, it could come in the middle of my studies, or when I'm in job). You usually have only one peacekeeper service in your life (for Finnish peacekeepers I mean) because there are lot's of new recruits coming every year.

Sorry for going bit off topic.

[Longinius 1]

"I also believe that part of the reason America was attacked was beucase most of are not muslims, and they think of the USA as a Chrisitan nation, which is not ture, so they kill us."

Actually, Muslims arent in the habit of killing people of different religions just because they are different. That is a Christian concept...

"I am not saying all muslims are bad, but it seems like the religion itself is evil, and yes Muhammad,sp?, was a terriost."

Why do you say Muhammed was a terrorist?

[zverushka 0]

He made huge swaths of destruction though the middle east. His motto was "be a muslim or die".

Lets invade Iraq, it'll improve the economy after we get there oil. Plus, anyway you look at it, Saddam is not a nice dude.

Plus, its not lkike it would be a real war, it would be a pushover to defeat Iraq.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ Oct. 28 2002,21:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Oct. 28 2002,13:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ Oct. 27 2002,20:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FW200 @ Oct. 28 2002,13<!--emo&)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (PitViper @ Oct. 28 2002,18:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SantaMania @ Oct. 28 2002,10:56)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You know, that is what we call racism over here in Europe. - People cannot be stamped due to skincolor, religious and sexual belongin. We had those laws put in ages ago,  does the US have them yet?<span id='postcolor'>

thats funny. Last I heard, synagogues are burning down all over Europe.  evidently you STILL don't care much for the Jews.<span id='postcolor'>

where did you hear that ??

What a load of cr*p.......

The one that told you must had a few drinks.......<span id='postcolor'>

I don't personally like the organization.. but I will reference them here.

http://news.amnesty.org/MAVP....ocument<span id='postcolor'>

I must say Pitfire, that you are right, these things happened here about a couple months ago.

But let's not forget that we are talking about a very small amount of people, it's not as if whole Europe participated.

Over here in Belgium, the police was used to secure religious buildings so when that group tries to strike again it can be prevented.

Racism still exists, it exists in America, Europe and of course also in the East.  Sad enough there'll always be some sick people who think their race is better than another...

Edit:  I didn't see this at first, you said: "Last I heard, synagogues are burning down all over Europe."

This isn't really true, they weren't burned down, there wasn't that much damage.  Just some lunatics throwed molotov cocktails inside.  "all over Europe" isn't really true either.

The amount of attacks weren't that big at all.

I'm not trying to deny this fact, you are saying the truth, but you are making it sound a lot worse than it actually was.<span id='postcolor'>

I'm sorry, but he was definitely trying to say that the U.S is far worst than Europe when it comes to the racial situation.  I simply pointed out that Europe is in fact worst than the U.S.  there has been virtually no change in crimes committed against Jews and Arabs in this country.<span id='postcolor'>

Pitviper, if u had read my entire post, you would see that the lines u quoted was directed to Duke of Ray's comment.... Not the entire US.

[NavyEEL 0]

i love how any offtopic discussion automatically turns into Pro-U.S. vs Anti-U.S. i also love how the united states is compared to "europe" or "the middle east". the US is a country... europe is a continent, and the middle east is a region. who's being stereotypical here??

yes, muhammad (if you're referring to the sniper) was a terrorist. his killing of random people was an act of terror. his sympathizing with bin laden and al qaeda was an act of terror. his notes, claiming that he was God and that our "children are not safe anywhere, at any time" was an act of terror. this however is not the topic of discussion.

people die in war. this is a fact. yes, there are often civilian casualties. this can't be avoided. iraq poses a significant threat to the US and other peace-keeping nations. those of you who say you dont want innocent civilians to die--would you rather wait and have US or allied civilians die? either way people will die--it's either gonna be your allies or your enemies. you pick.

going to war with iraq is not a question of racism at all. anti-war supporters have disfigured the objectives to make war seem like it has racist motives, but this is not the case. is it our fault that those nations against us are composed of muslims and arabs? no, its not. would we attack a white, black, or a nation of any other ethnicity if they were the ones posing a threat? you're damned right we would.

yes, iraq supported terrorism. those of you who want proof... what, you want saddam to publicly admit it? the evidence is there, and so are the motives, so just accept it. the public receives information on a need-to-know basis... and often receives more information than they need to know because they are whiney complainers. stop being afraid to commit to war. the majority of those opposed to war are not relatives of servicemembers, and never stop to think about our own citizens. what about OUR civilians? what about OUR soldiers who will die at war? what about OUR money that must be spent to fund a war? trust me the benefits far outweight the consequences of taking down iraq. you're either part of the solution or part of the problem--which side do you pick?

I'm proud to be an American!

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">These US people would kill you and your children for fun because they think that they are the greatest and that non US people should die."

Sounds very much like the current US foreign policy towards iraq and other nations that don´t fit into the US program for war.

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Yea.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">First of all...

... The terrorists didnt attack you because you are Christian, they attacked you because they do not like the way the western world live their life, they attacked you because the US have allways had the (strange) behavior of sticking their noses in everything which it can get a profit out of.... No matter how many people that would suffer from it as long as its not themself.

Why do you think its Muslims that is terrorists? It might as well be Christians.... IRA for instance - (catholists if u didnt know) ?

And Muhammed a terrorist? Why? Because he killed multiple people? Because he has another skin color and name? You know, that is what we call racism over here in Europe. - People cannot be stamped due to skincolor, religious and sexual belongin. We had those laws put in ages ago, does the US have them yet?

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I am not going after him becuase of race or skin color, but anybody can see that islam is not a peacful religion. He killed people who would not convert to islam, he was a terriost. Yes you are right we where attacked for our way of life, a life they see as beiung Christians, and not being islamic. Yes islamic religion, to my understanding, teahces to kill non-believers, so the people who kill us are not islamic extremist, but just going by their wrong koran. Muhammad killed people for not converting, thats why he was a terriost. Also all the Christians who punished people for not agreeing with them where wrong, and im not sure they where true Christians.

[advocatexxx 0]

basically what Duke of Ray is saying is that:

Christianity = Good

Islam = Bad

And what I'm saying is:

Thinking like that = endless wars

[Frisbee 0]

Oh,here we go again,it's america bashing again now.

People here are just stating points on the american GOVERNEMENT and their foreign policy.

Everyone agrees that governements suck because of taxes that are too high,or because they let the country have too much unemployment or whatever.

BUT,of course they're right when they go on a righteous war against terrorism.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (advocatexxx @ Oct. 28 2002,23:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">basically what Duke of Ray is saying is that:

Christianity = Good

Islam = Bad

And what I'm saying is:

Thinking like that = endless wars<span id='postcolor'>

Exactly.

It is said that money is the root of all evil, but I like to think that religion is the root of all evil. The worst massacres, repression, and general horrific behaviour can usually be traced to organised religion. The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, all of those are using religion as a reason to do horrific things to people who dont believe in what you do. and before you start casting stones at Islam for being the way it is, realize that both the Crusades and the Inquisition happened well after Mohammed started Islam.

Now who is the terrorist? I will admit that in recent history (the last two decades or so) there has been far more militant expression of religion by muslims. But that doesnt wash all the blood off of Christian hands.'

Until we learn, as a species, to live together and accept the differences in culture and religion, crap like this will keep happening.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frisbee @ Oct. 28 2002,23:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh,here we go again,it's america bashing again now.

People here are just stating points on the american GOVERNEMENT and their foreign policy.

Everyone agrees that governements suck because of taxes that are too high,or because they let the country have too much unemployment or whatever.

BUT,of course they're right when they go on a righteous war against terrorism.<span id='postcolor'>

You havent figured out yet that the average American cant differentiate between people criticising their government and people criticising them?

For example:

a) The US Government, and it's policy of heavy handed foreign policy is both abhorent and irrational

There, that is bashing the US government.

b) Americans suck! They are loud and obnoxious and act like jerks!

That's bashing the American people.

Unless you read something similar to b, that is not bashing the American people. It is bashing a government that believes it has the right to enforce it's world view by military force. And like it or not, the last government to mask it's use of military might behind a policy that says the use of force is justified because of what might happen..well.. it was Germany in the 30's. I am not comparing Bush to Hitler...merely drawing a parallel.

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">basically what Duke of Ray is saying is that:

Christianity = Good

Islam = Bad

And what I'm saying is:

<span id='postcolor'>

You are right, as long as islam thinks they are rigth, which they ain't, they will continue to want to kill non-belivers, something Christians do not want to do, well the true ones don't. The people who did those things in the name of God where miss using his name, and they where not being true Christians. I would say that the devil is the root of all evil.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Oct. 28 2002,23:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">basically what Duke of Ray is saying is that:

Christianity = Good

Islam = Bad

And what I'm saying is:

<span id='postcolor'>

You are right, as long as islam thinks they are rigth, which they ain't, they will continue to want to kill non-belivers, something Christians do not want to do, well the true ones don't. The people who did those things in the name of God where miss using his name, and they where not being true Christians. I would say that the devil is the root of all evil.<span id='postcolor'>

You know, one could take that entire statement, swap the words "Christian" and "Islam" wherever they appear, and see how most people in the Middle East feel.

[arkadeyevich 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yes, iraq supported terrorism.  those of you who want proof... what, you want saddam to publicly admit it?  the evidence is there, and so are the motives, so just accept it.

the public receives information on a need-to-know basis...  <span id='postcolor'>

Just because Dubya says so, doesn't count as evidence ;-) If he actually had some he would have used it to gain public support, or at least to build a coallition like before the Afganistan campaign. Also seems like Congress is on a need to know basis. Face it. There is no evidence.

Even the CIA can't seem to find any.   

[Frisbee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Oct. 28 2002,23:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frisbee @ Oct. 28 2002,23:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh,here we go again,it's america bashing again now.

People here are just stating points on the american GOVERNEMENT and their foreign policy.

Everyone agrees that governements suck because of taxes that are too high,or because they let the country have too much unemployment or whatever.

BUT,of course they're right when they go on a righteous war against terrorism.<span id='postcolor'>

You havent figured out yet that the average American cant differentiate between people criticising their government and people criticising them?

For example:

a) The US Government, and it's policy of heavy handed foreign policy is both abhorent and irrational

There, that is bashing the US government.

b) Americans suck! They are loud and obnoxious and act like jerks!

That's bashing the American people.

Unless you read something similar to b, that is not bashing the American people.  It is bashing a government that believes it has the right to enforce it's world view by military force.  And like it or not, the last government to mask it's use of military might behind a policy that says the use of force is justified because of what might happen..well.. it was Germany in the 30's.  I am not comparing Bush to Hitler...merely drawing a parallel.<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah Warin,that would be my second point,but i forget it halfway through typing what i said above.

And let me put it this way,I don't bash americans at all,some of the people I can best relate to are american(online and irl),and,importantly,they share the opinion that this governement isn't doing the right thing.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Frisbee @ Oct. 29 2002,00:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah Warin,that would be my second point,but i forget it halfway through typing what i said above.

And let me put it this way,I don't bash americans at all,some of the people I can best relate to are american(online and irl),and,importantly,they share the opinion that this governement isn't doing the right thing.<span id='postcolor'>

Exactly

I have some great american friends. And some of them are even Republicans Americans as a whole are friendly and caring individuals. Some of the most generous people I've ever met are Americans.

There just seems to be this giant collective blind spot when it comes to the failings of their government and it's rather oppresive foreign policy of the last 20 years. The saddest part is that the professional politicians in Washington do not for the most part represent the people they are representing. They are beholden to so many special interest groups that they are no longer truly 'of the people'

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Balschoiw @ Oct. 29 2002,01:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">He might hide them in schools and churches but he won't be able to make then there, so what's the problem?<span id='postcolor'>

He can store them there, that's the problem. He could very well of made them in the years that inspectors were absent, then hid them in schools.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You can't keep nuclear bombs, some of them (not sure if this counts for all of them) are useless after a while.<span id='postcolor'>

After a few decades, yes.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ooh yeah , and it's the excuse you'll use to play around with your nifty GBU's<span id='postcolor'>

LOL, someone just fell for one of Saddam's tricks. He wants to make us out to be the bad guys by hiding WMDs in civilian areas, so he has CNN on speed dial for when we bomb them.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ignorance makes stupid.<span id='postcolor'>

lol, well put.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I dont hate US. How can I ? I only hate how people talk about wars. I hate people that have no clue what the word war means in real life. I hate to see deads. I hate to see killed collateral damage children. I hate the smell that burnt bodies cause. I hate not to be able to explain to a civilian why there town was flattened and a completete generation was killed. I hate the economic motives behind wars. I hate the politicians for abusing fears and telling lies to convince their people that war is good. I am doing my part to make this world a little better. I am active UN trooper and have risked my life for people that only were able to survive a few days longer cause we have been there. And what I hate most is ignorance. Ignorance makes stupid. And stupidity makes a lot of people favour wars.<span id='postcolor'>

Blah blah blah, in other words: "war = bad. stupid people disagree with me."

I'm not exactly sure where you're from, but I'm pretty sure it's not from the U.S.

The United States is being threatened here, not France, not Russia, not Great Britain, the U.S. Maybe it would change your opinion some if your country was shut down for a day and lost over 3000 citizens? Maybe it would change your opinion if a clear and present danger to your country has the capability to get, or already has weapons of mass destruction.

All I'm saying is this: if your country were threatened, maybe you'd think differently.