In to the woods

[habdoel 0]

In belgian, Brugge we had a protest action going on, people where living in trees to protect a wood. They where invaded by the police this monday, they lived there for more than 1 year.

www.lappersfront.tk

do you think this kind of action is justified? Would you go in to the woods to protect it? What tactics would you use?

[Placebo 29]

We've had lots of those over the years, tends to be a good way for the travellers to suplement their dole

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

LOL! What idiots. There are plenty of trees, and they throw a fit over some getting cut down?! LOL! These guys are great.

Edit-Guess I am an idiot also,I spelled idiot idot.

[RED 0]

There are a lot of trees getting cut down, something like 3 football pitches worth of trees every minuet, so I would say yes their action is justified but I wouldn't ever bother to do any thing like live in a tree

RED

[Die Alive 0]

There was a story about one of these tree sitters falling to his death last week in the papers.  I'll go find it now...

Here it is.

Death Shows Danger of Tree Sitting

Fri Oct 11, 2:42 PM ET

BY ANGELA WATERCUTTER, Associated Press Writer

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Tree sitting has become a popular way to protest logging operations, despite its danger.

A man with the environmental activist group Earth First! died this week after he fell more than 50 feet from a redwood tree, the latest fatality of tree-sitting protests.

<span style='color:red'>The man, whose identity hasn't been released but who went by the forest name "Naya,"</span> had only been in the tree for about 12 hours on Tuesday evening when he fell, according to Dennis Davie of the Santa Cruz contingent of Earth First!

"Santa Cruz Earth First! is deeply saddened by this tragic event. We never like to lose an activist," said Davie. "This was a young man in his first tree-sit."

Earth First! has been staging tree-sit protests against logging company Redwood Empire's operation in the Ramsey Gulch area, about 20 miles south of San Jose, since August.

Another protester also died this year while tree-sitting. In April, 22-year-old Beth O'Brien of Portland, Ore., died after falling from a tree in Mount Hood National Forest.

"They think they're on a mission and they don't consider the risks involved," said Jim Branham, a spokesman for Pacific Lumber Co., which has about six protesters on its logging property in Humboldt County, 30 miles southeast of Eureka. "I do think they view their actions as being somehow heroic, instead of dangerous or illegal."

Davie said he acknowledges that tree sitting is dangerous, and that there is a heroic nature to putting one's body on the line to protect something. But he said all Earth First! protesters, including Naya, are given training on how to remain safe and healthy.

Davie said Naya came to the Earth First! camp saying he had rock climbing experience. After several hours of scrutiny, the group determined he was capable of climbing the tree, Davie said. He was also given some training on the ground before going up. Normally, tree sitters are given two days of training.

"They believed he climbed well, but it still was his first tree sit," Davie said.

A cause of the man's fatal fall has not been determined. He was taken by helicopter to Santa Clara Valley Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead. The county coroner's office had not determined the cause of death, or the man's identity Thursday.

Earth First! activists have protested logging operations in the Ramsey Gulch area for more than two years. The logging company issued a statement Wednesday saying its employees were saddened by the death.

Tree sitters can spend months camped on platforms in trees, hoping to call attention to the environmental effects of logging. In perhaps the most famous tree sit, Julia "Butterfly" Hill spent two years 180 feet up in a 1,000-year-old redwood in Northern California to save it from being cut down for lumber.

She came down in 1999 after Pacific Lumber Co. agreed to leave the tree standing in return for $50,000 to make up for lost logging revenue.

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I wish I had a forest name...

-=Die Alive=-

[Placebo 29]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Die Alive @ Oct. 19 2002,16:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I wish I had a forest name... <span id='postcolor'>

How about "deadwood"?

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">like 3 football pitches worth of trees every minuet<span id='postcolor'>

Thin about that for a minute and see if it makes sense.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Oct. 19 2002,21:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">like 3 football pitches worth of trees every minuet<span id='postcolor'>

Thin about that for a minute and see if it makes sense. <span id='postcolor'>

Nothing in the Duke of Ray forest policy makes any sense.

Deforestation is a huge problem all around the world. Most of the time you hear about huge mudslides, it's because of deforestation destabilizing large land masses.

I am not against forestry. My provinces main industry has been forestry for a long time. Responsible forestry is not a bad thing. That means selective cutting policies and very aggresive reforestation programs. It doesnt mean going into an area and cutting down everything over the size of a sapling.

People that sit in trees might seem like wackos, and for the most part they are. But it's far better than some of the alternatives. Some 'tree lovers' will go into a stand of timber, and at 2-3 spots at the height a faller will cute a tree, they will drill a hole. they will then cut the top of a latrge steel spike, and drop int into the hole. After a very short time, there is no sign at all that this has been done... at least until the saw of a faller hits the spike and the chain explodes into a million pieces...and that CAN kill. So if I have to pick between silly people sitting in trees and real eco terrorism, I'll take the wackos in the trees.

[Placebo 29]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Oct. 19 2002,21:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">at least until the saw of a faller hits the spike and the chain explodes into a million pieces...and that CAN kill.  <span id='postcolor'>

Very similar to the way my Dad died, 20ft up a conifer tree, chainsaw hit nail or some other object, bounced back and severed safety harness. Dad fell headfirst onto concrete.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ Oct. 19 2002,23:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Oct. 19 2002,210)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">at least until the saw of a faller hits the spike and the chain explodes into a million pieces...and that CAN kill.  <span id='postcolor'>

Very similar to the way my Dad died, 20ft up a conifer tree, chainsaw hit nail or some other object, bounced back and severed safety harness. Dad fell headfirst onto concrete.<span id='postcolor'>

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Oct. 19 2002,17:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">7--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ Oct. 19 2002,237)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Oct. 19 2002,21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">at least until the saw of a faller hits the spike and the chain explodes into a million pieces...and that CAN kill. <span id='postcolor'>

Very similar to the way my Dad died, 20ft up a conifer tree, chainsaw hit nail or some other object, bounced back and severed safety harness. Dad fell headfirst onto concrete.<span id='postcolor'>

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Yes, indeed.

[eatmyshorts 0]

I can't help thinking.........

What has this post got to do with

"wars, military conflicts and anything what pertinent to army"?

Post is closed

Damn, it didn't work!!!!

And placebo!! To see you participate in a discusion in a thread that has nothing to do with "wars, military conflicts and anything what pertinent to army"!

This is unacceptable!!

You're banned!!!!!!

Damn!!! That didn't work either!

Oh! And now when this thread has strayed from it's original issue, i guess it must defenitely be closed

Sorry but i could'nt help myself!

[Guest]

Try controlling yourself better next time or I'll help you by removing your posting rights

[Harnu 0]

eatmyshorts, I see your point.

But on topic for a lil bit. I've been under the impression that after companies cut down trees, the honest ones re-plant smaller ones in their place. So they grow and cut them again years from now. I know all of them arent honest but still...

And what is 3 football pitches?

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nothing in the Duke of Ray forest policy makes any sense.

<span id='postcolor'>

Surley people with any, ANY, amount of common sense can see that these figures about how much forest is getting destroyed is stupid. You would have to be the worlds largest idot to believe them. People like the "tree-huggers" and tree-sitters are people with no common sense or smarts.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

I beg to differ.

Deforestation is a major problem all over the world.

In case you have not been paying attention to science classe Duke of Ray, In forests lives living creatures who depend on the forest. When big logger comes in and chops down all the trees, where do the creatures go? Into a zoo?

Also, trees act as filters for the air and can filter out all that nasty carbon monoxide.

And as it has been mentioned, cutting down trees destabilises the earth with bad effects like mud slides.

Back where I lived in New Zealand, most of the terrain(once you get above the coast) is covered in native bush. Under the Evil Jenny Shiply rule(Prime Minister) Timberlands, the premier logging company, was alowed to hack down any tree's they wanted, I get sit in my front yard and watch(this is what makes this a military thread) a Mil-8 hired from the Russians take out massive Remu(type of Native NZ tree) trunks hundreds of years old to be converted into furniture for the rich. If another goverment had not come in, it would have gone on.

Forestation when done in the right way is ok, but when you just come in a rip out native forests, not ok.

The reason why the 'tree hugging hippies' chain them selves to trees etc., is to stop it. What else can they do? Complain to the company? Ask your member of parliment(sort of like a Congressman) to stop it? Active protesting does get results! If the Greenie tree hugging hippies on the West Coast NZ had not done anything, the sluaghter of the trees would have continued!

Ok, Im done

[PFC_Mike 2]

Yes, most responsible companies replant trees-when they own the land.

When the government rents the woodland to them, they have no incentive to replant.

And we all suffer, because of stupid laws.

[Die Alive 0]

You know, the majority of these tree huggers are frequent users of marijuana, and marijuana come from a plant. So these ewoks who say forestry is murdering mother nature while toking on a spliff, are being hypocrites.

-=Die Alive=-

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Die Alive @ Oct. 20 2002,15:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You know, the majority of these tree huggers are frequent users of marijuana, and marijuana come from a plant. So these ewoks who say forestry is murdering mother nature while toking on a spliff, are being hypocrites.

-=Die Alive=-<span id='postcolor'>

Wow your missing the point on both acounts. First the treehuggers protest against deforestation and not about harvesting plants that you have planted. Second marijuana does not come from the hemp plant but from the flowers of the plant. Or so I'm told

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

Look at the fugures these nuts give out, and see what you think, surley you can see the truth. Here in the U.S. we have to many trees and this cuases fire problems, and other problems for the tree, but we would not want to cut them down,noooooooooooooooooooooooooo! If we cut them done we would be mean and kill something with a spirit! Oh how those people are blind, and what is sad the people who want to really help the forest cannot get their voice out becuase of our stupid media.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Look at the fugures these nuts give out, and see what you think, surley you can see the truth<span id='postcolor'>

Department of Energy figures

5,800 square miles/year = 15022 km^2/year

An american football field is about 6,000 m^2 = 0.006 km^2

That means that the deforrestation equals 2503655 football fields / year = 6859 football fields / day = 286 football fields / hour = 4.7 football fields / minute

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Oct. 20 2002,15:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Look at the fugures these nuts give out, and see what you think, surley you can see the truth. Here in the U.S. we have to many trees and this cuases fire problems, and other problems for the tree, but we would not want to cut them down,noooooooooooooooooooooooooo! If we cut them done we would be mean and kill something with a spirit!  Oh how those people are blind, and what is sad the people who want to really help the forest cannot get their voice out becuase of our stupid media.<span id='postcolor'>

fire isn't cause by the trees themselves

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Oct. 20 2002,15:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Here in the U.S. we have to many trees and this cuases fire problems, and other problems for the tree, but we would not want to cut them down,noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!<span id='postcolor'>

You can never have too many trees. As ran also pointed out, trees don't cause fires by themselves.

Trees are vital to our survival because they produce oxygen which we need to survive.

If we have too much of something then it is people on earth. Right now we don't have a sustainable developement. If we continue cutting down trees at this rate then they will all be gone in a couple of hundred of years.

I am sure that Duke of Ray, the responsible guy he is will sacrefice himself to reduce the overpopulation problem and jump off a tall building

[ran 0]

forrest fires are caused by man's negligence

and all the dry sub vegetation (bushes and other low plants) is THE main cause of these fires

you have to clean all that vegetation , the trees aren't a problem by themselves , it's just our forest's status , it's parasited by planst that have been introduced by them man and that have nothing to do here (there are also a few of these plants that were originally there , but that's another problem)

we can consider our forrests in danger because we don't take care enough of them

-edit- : just noticed that my explanations are a lil' bit confuse

[Col. Kurtz 0]

I reckon Duke of Ray has been lying about his identity, I reckon he works for McDonald$! Thats why he does not care about the huge enviromental effect that deforostirisation has.

Would you like to be breathing Carbon Monoxide?

In NZ i have seen a lot of slips on hills, and that with trees! Take away the trees, and there would be no hills! Just mounds of dirt and stone.

As Denoir said, never enough trees.

And as I said before, things live in forests and depend on forests. You take away that forest, you take away their home. What if all the forest creatures decided there are too many houses and started just ripping houses apart a the rate of a block of houses a minute?