Okkupert: Norwegian TV series about a Russian invasion

[spooky lynx 73]

Historically many lands are not %countryname%. But I had good chance to watch what happened during de-facto independence of Chechnya. I bet you wouldn't want to live nearby in that time. BTW people were kidnapped by gangs of 'freedom fighters' even from my city. So thanks, no imarat Caucasus anymore.

[Tonci87 163]

Historically many lands are not %countryname%. But I had good chance to watch what happened during de-facto independence of Chechnya. I bet you wouldn't want to live nearby in that time. BTW people were kidnapped by gangs of 'freedom fighters' even from my city. So thanks, no imarat Caucasus anymore.

 

 

Yep, totally logical to simply invade the neighbouring country (and be dragged into a insurgency war) than to simply beef up your own border security. Nothing can be an excuse for what the Russian military did to Grozny.

[danil-ch 165]

GTFO of Chechnya and Dagestan then. Just two examples.

Good idea. ISIS needs more free space.

[spooky lynx 73]

Yep, totally logical to simply invade the neighbouring country (and be dragged into a insurgency war) than to simply beef up your own border security. Nothing can be an excuse for what the Russian military did to Grozny.

Already tried this. Didn't helped much so we had to include Chechnya into Empire and integrate it fully into it.

[Tonci87 163]

Already tried this. Didn't helped much so we had to include Chechnya into Empire and integrate it fully into it.

 

Lame excuse. (And the ongoing insurgency is a sign that the integration is far from perfect).

[mistyronin 1181]

I think you are giving too much importance to a fiction plot.

It doesn't need to make any sense. It's fiction. Instead of Russia the writers could have said aliens, Spain, Iran, etc.

[x3kj 1247]

they didn't make them aliens however, they made them russians, and that's the point.

[ProfTournesol 956]

they didn't make them aliens however, they made them russians, and that's the point.

 

Well, Switzerland isn't the best candidate to invade another country in Europe.

[spooky lynx 73]

Lame excuse. (And the ongoing insurgency is a sign that the integration is far from perfect).

For thousands of saved lives in nearby regions and for those who performed operation Oluja - must be quite good. Oh and main insurgency events are happening in Ingushetia and Dagestan for several years already. Chechnya is much safer place comparing with its western and eastern neighbors.

 

I think you are giving too much importance to a fiction plot.

It doesn't need to make any sense. It's fiction. Instead of Russia the writers could have said aliens, Spain, Iran, etc.

If some country is often mentioned as agressor in mass media - it will be perceived as agressor by many 'average Joes' (don't know what's Norvegian equivalent). And that 'average Joes' later will give their votes or support the action against a country labeled as agressor. Just look at recent events in Libya - during early time of military campaign I've seen here plenty of words supporting it, "bloody dictatorship, needs democracy, poor opposition, unarmed protesters, regime soldiers making mass rapes and other BS"; now, when Europeans face hordes of former Libyan locals and those who were stopped by Libyan regime on the way to EU - they moan about mistake.

So I'm not happy to see another event in propaganda against my country. Propaganda that prepares European public opinion to idea of another Drang nach Ost.

[slatts 1978]

I think you are giving too much importance to a fiction plot.

It doesn't need to make any sense. It's fiction. Instead of Russia the writers could have said aliens, Spain, Iran, etc.

 

Hey now, let's not get too far fetched ;)

[JdB 151]

If some country is often mentioned as agressor in mass media - it will be perceived as agressor by many 'average Joes' (don't know what's Norvegian equivalent). And that 'average Joes' later will give their votes or support the action against a country labeled as agressor.

You mean like how all government controlled media in Russia (over 90%) are saying that the whole of Ukraine minus some eastern bits is full of nazis?

[Tonci87 163]

Still no excuse to make Grozny the most destroyed city on earth (at that time) and kill thousands of civilians (including Russians)! How can you defend something like that?

[spooky lynx 73]

You mean like how all government controlled media in Russia (over 90%) are saying that the whole of Ukraine minus some eastern bits is full of nazis?

Well, I don't know other country in which far right movement has arms up to PRGs and heavy MGs mounted on jeeps without any prosecution. And lots of servicemen of such detachments as Azov etc. pose with nazi flags and make sieg-heil greetings. Oh and maybe you can name other country that registers political party which is direct descent of WW2 nazi collaborators, can you?

 

Still no excuse to make Grozny the most destroyed city on earth (at that time) and kill thousands of civilians (including Russians)! How can you defend something like that?

It was far from most destroyed, at first. Many Russians died because they were used as 'live human shields' by Dudayev's thugs, at second. Separatists had many artillery pieces like 120-mm mortars and howitzers (both towed and self-propelled) and tanks and used them during fight for Grozny. So it is impossible to know exactly whose projectile destroyed this or that house. Both sides used heavy weapons extensively.

Oh and that casualties at least halted slave trade, genocide and other nasty things widely happened during 1991-1994 in Chechnya.

[mistyronin 1181]

Hey now, let's not get too far fetched ;)

Well Spain invaded and colonized half of the World (from North America to Philippines). Killing millions all around. Haha  :P