Multiplay in ofp2

[iNeo 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (JAP @ Sep. 30 2002,10:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (iNeo @ Sep. 30 2002,09:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A lot of people are leaving OFP and moving on to other games. Too bad Left are the true OFP fans and the new-comers, which is still kind of nice. It's nice to see new mission makers, mod makers, etc coming.<span id='postcolor'>

They wont keep making them if it s just a waste of time.<span id='postcolor'>

They will keep making them if they like making their ideas come true.

Just get a small net of contacts of 'dedicated' OFP fans that like coop games etc, making missions to play with them, and you'll all have fun. Also post download link to forum, just in case someone would like to play it and/or give feedback.

[HellToupee 0]

TEX

Majorty is everything, if u have a choice to make 100happy or just 1 u make 100happy, of those 1million ppl t hat bought the game we have 100of em playin mp at anyone time, without the majorty dont expect mods, also BIS wants to please teh majorty because that means more sales. We dont need quake styles majorty dont want that we want same gameplay no g36 fragfests but enjoyable mp not this bloody wait and lack of players and servers, everyone seems to play on there own pwed servers or stoners or gp, ive never seen more than hl;af of the servers ful and theres only 40.

[iNeo 0]

Do they really have to sell so much? They can do their thing, realistic infantry sims, and sell good - maybe not great, but good. They would still do profit, right?

[hitsqdzulu 0]

I bought this game for 2 reasons. 1 unlimited travel ..no restrictions the Islands rock...2 is the vehicles. Nothing like rolling in your armor blasting the enemy and running over the troops. Also flying in this game rules...I mean its not a true flight model ..but it works great with the game. This is the best game ever ...PERIOD...Also if you notice ...not many little kids play this because of the learning curve ..weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..Keep it the same

[LowLevelFunctionary 0]

I agree with everyones comments about keeping the OFP a serious game.

Whatever happens i think another OFP will have to be similar in the fact that addons should be allowed. The availability of addons is partly what is keeping OFP alive. Although hardcore gamers(like me) Dont care for addons, but for gameplay . Although i have to admit, some of the addons out there are superb! Well done to everyone in the OFP community

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Sep. 30 2002,10:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">TEX

Majorty is everything, if u have a choice to make 100happy or just 1 u make 100happy, of those 1million ppl t hat bought the game we have 100of em playin mp at anyone time, without the majorty dont expect mods, also BIS wants to please teh majorty because that means more sales. We dont need quake styles majorty dont want that we want same gameplay no g36 fragfests but enjoyable mp not this bloody wait and lack of players and servers, everyone seems to play on there own pwed servers or stoners or gp, ive never seen more than hl;af of the servers ful and theres only 40.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, if BIS does decide to chase the majority's money (and I have full faith that they will not), I will just phase myself out of OFP and go looking for a new game, and I know for fact that I wont be the only one that will do so. That simple.

[HellToupee 0]

Well tex they will lose one gain much more and noboy will blink an eye at the dissapearence.

[Placebo 29]

They would lose a hell of a lot more than one

[HellToupee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ Oct. 01 2002,12:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They would lose a hell of a lot more than one <span id='postcolor'>

I wouldnt care who we lose as long as it fills my local server, most liky thing to do that is JIP, lack of players and waits r the biggest downs of ofps mp, remove them and many that left ofp would come back.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Oct. 01 2002,00:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well tex they will lose one gain much more and noboy will blink an eye at the dissapearence.<span id='postcolor'>

And they will also sacrifice all the things that make OFP special. Whatever. And how do you know that making it like all the other twitch games would boost sales? I mean, there's already many other franchises established, and it's very hard to break into that market. When people want a twitch game, they will go to Quake 4 or 5 or whatever number they're on, or UT, or Wolfenstein, or whatever.

Also, I think you need to completely reevaluate what you want out of a game, HT. You are more interested in easy and fast gameplay. Well, I hate to bust your bubble, but you are playing the wrong game. OFP is obviously not your cup of tea.

[Placebo 29]

Exactly as Tex said, Opf has been so successful because it found a niche for itself, if it was to "kiddy up" then it would be facing competition from all the CS, GR, DFLW, BHD, CDS, crappy arcade kiddy games, the vast majority of people who play Opf were tired of all that generic crap that is released and wanted something that offered much much more, Opf does that.

[HellToupee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Oct. 01 2002,12:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">8--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Oct. 01 2002,008)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well tex they will lose one gain much more and noboy will blink an eye at the dissapearence.<span id='postcolor'>

And they will also sacrifice all the things that make OFP special. Whatever. And how do you know that making it like all the other twitch games would boost sales? I mean, there's already many other franchises established, and it's very hard to break into that market. When people want a twitch game, they will go to Quake 4 or 5 or whatever number they're on, or UT, or Wolfenstein, or whatever.

Also, I think you need to completely reevaluate what you want out of a game, HT. You are more interested in easy and fast gameplay. Well, I hate to bust your bubble, but you are playing the wrong game. OFP is obviously not your cup of tea.<span id='postcolor'>

Dont u get it tex, im not sayin make it quake styles game play run in gun stuff try readin my posts, im sayin make it so just getting a game isnt a challange in it self, it should be fast and easy to get a game not play, 30mins waits r no fun, i joined my local server it was at breif after the first minute, 1 minute teams where 7v3 and had 4 waiting, game reassigned and we spent 10mins waiting for sum guys to come back after rebooting, i want to play not wait, its a game, i play games to have fun dont u get it Tex or do u want to be sum elitest.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Oct. 01 2002,00:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dont u get it tex, im not sayin make it quake styles game play run in gun stuff try readin my posts, im sayin make it so just getting a game isnt a challange in it self, it should be fast and easy to get a game not play, 30mins waits r no fun, i joined my local server it was at breif after the first minute, 1 minute teams where 7v3 and had 4 waiting, game reassigned and we spent 10mins waiting for sum guys to come back after rebooting, i want to play not wait, its a game, i play games to have fun dont u get it Tex or do u want to be sum elitest.<span id='postcolor'>

Okay, I get it now- you don't actually want to talk about the actual topic of this thread, you just want to talk about Join in Progress JUST LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN FOR THE PAST MONTH IN EVERY SINGLE THREAD YOU HAVE POSTED IN.

Now, I hope I don't come off as being irritated by your repetitiveness, because I am (and that might get me in trouble with the mods), but I am SO sick of listening to you yammer on about JIP that I might actually puke the next time you mention it. You started your own thread on it a while back, and that was fine, we argued, whatever, but you have consistently brought it up in almost every single one of your posts since then.

If you had not noticed, in no way is this thread about JIP. I don't care if they include JIP. So long as it is still the OFP I know and love. What this joker is suggesting is the dumbing down of OFP as we know it.

So, to sum up: A: Stop talking about JIP in threads that arent ABOUT JIP. B: Do it now. C: Please.

Have a nice day.

[jollyreaper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (iNeo @ Sep. 30 2002,07:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Do they really have to sell so much? They can do their thing, realistic infantry sims, and sell good - maybe not great, but good. They would still do profit, right?<span id='postcolor'>

The question is a matter of costs. BIS spent $x to make OFP. They got $x from somebody, whether it was an advance from Codemasters or some other form of funding. Flashpoint sells #y copies at $z each.

I have no idea what Codemasters wholesaled the game for and I don't know if they get stuck with unsold goods like the book publishing industry. Let's assume average retail was $40 and that's a 100% markup for the retailer. $z=$20. $20 x 1 million is $20,000,000.

So Codemaster's net was $20 million. From that Codemasters needs to subtract percentage for BIS, cost of publishing, etc etc etc. If Codemasters gave BIS an advance then that would be recouped from the royalty going to BIS. If it was a $200,000 advance then the first $200k BIS makes goes straight back to Codemasters.

I don't remember what the percentages are for the game industry but let's guess 15%. That means $3,000,000 is coming to Codemasters. Let's say they had a million dollar advance, their budget for producing the game. That means they have $2 million to support themselves until their next contract. BIS lists 11 people in the company, rent or mortgage on their office space, utillities, equipment cost for computers, etc etc. Given that they're in Czechoslovakia the dollar may stretch a lot further.

This is all just an intellectual exercise. The important questions are this: Is Bohemia making enough money to keep the doors open and are they truly happy making kickass hardcore realistic games? If the answers are yes and yes then there's no need for further discussion.

For an example of how good companies have gotten royally fucked, everyone remember Looking Glass Studios? They made Thief, a few other really good games. Well, Microsoft was in a contract with them to make some games. Microsoft broke contract. Looking Glass found themselves in a cash crunch. They had games hitting the stores several months out but no immediate cashflow for bills, payroll, etc. End result, company folded.

Let's just hope BIS avoids these pitfalls.

[Kermit 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What this joker is suggesting is the dumbing down of OFP as we know it. <span id='postcolor'>

I don't know about that, Tex. I think he just wants to see more of the capture the flag and deathmatch that already exists in Operation Flashpoint, but with join-in-progress.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For an example of how good companies have gotten royally fucked, everyone remember Looking Glass Studios? They made Thief, a few other really good games. <span id='postcolor'>

Hurrah for Looking Glass! Thief ties with Operation Flashpoint as the best game ever. Thief II wasn't quite as good as Thief Gold, but oh well. Do you own Thief, Jolly Reaper?

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kermit @ Oct. 01 2002,15:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What this joker is suggesting is the dumbing down of OFP as we know it. <span id='postcolor'>

I don't know about that, Tex.  I think he just wants to see more of the capture the flag and deathmatch that already exists in Operation Flashpoint, but with join-in-progress.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For an example of how good companies have gotten royally fucked, everyone remember Looking Glass Studios? They made Thief, a few other really good games. <span id='postcolor'>

Hurrah for Looking Glass!  Thief ties with Operation Flashpoint as the best game ever.  Thief II wasn't quite as good as Thief Gold, but oh well.  Do you own Thief, Jolly Reaper?<span id='postcolor'>

Then in that case the thread is irrelevant, because there are plenty of maps like that out there.

[Die Alive 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (jollyreaper @ Sep. 30 2002,19:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I <span id='postcolor'>

But you got to add OFP for X-Box and VBS1 to the bottom line as well.  I hope BIS didn't sell VBS1 to the USMC for only $49.95

-=Die Alive=-

[Placebo 29]

It's easier for people to read your post if when you quote someone you leave only the relevant part of the post you've been quoting in your post

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Oct. 01 2002,00:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I wouldnt care who we lose as long as it fills my local server, most liky thing to do that is JIP, lack of players and waits r the biggest downs of ofps mp, remove them and many that left ofp would come back.<span id='postcolor'>

HellToupee, think!

what made OFP famous? : it's more realistic gameplay

who are those that love it? : those who appreciate more real-life-like gameplay

who are those that can't wait? : kiddies who wants fun fun fun fragfest.

and what does those kiddies do? : after awhile, they move on to other game.

so do you get it? those who left OFP was what i call 'ignorant' mass. these bunch of guys are not for appreciation, just looking for some fun fragfest and talk in l33t fashion. and one of there characteristics is that when they are done drinking nectars of a game, they abandon it. they are those who prefer using cheats too. just because some game has large number, that doesn't mean it's great.

[jollyreaper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kermit @ Oct. 01 2002,09:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hurrah for Looking Glass!  Thief ties with Operation Flashpoint as the best game ever.  Thief II wasn't quite as good as Thief Gold, but oh well.  Do you own Thief, Jolly Reaper?<span id='postcolor'>

Yup. Didn't like it as much as others did. They made what I felt were some bad design decisions that really hurt the potential of the game. As far as the concept went it was rock solid.

[Placebo 29]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (jollyreaper @ Oct. 01 2002,18:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As far as the concept went it was rock solid.<span id='postcolor'>

Totally agree with that, I would prolly put the Thief series second to Opf in my FPS all time faves

[HellToupee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Oct. 02 2002,05:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what made OFP famous? : it's more realistic gameplay

who are those that love it? : those who appreciate more real-life-like gameplay

who are those that can't wait? : kiddies who wants fun fun fun fragfest.

and what does those kiddies do? : after awhile, they move on to other game.<span id='postcolor'>

1. What made ofp famous? Vechicles, large maps and the fact it did it soo well.

2. Who are those that love it? me and the million other ppl that bought it for its sp.

3. Who are those that cant wait? Well me everyone hates it sumtimes i do but my internet is adsl on a hour limit i dont want to spend it lookin at a dull screen as the 3v7 ctf carries on.

JIP wouldnt bring bak all the kiddies i bet u, y

Ofps game play is realistic, difficult and always has an admin to boot dicks

Y do i want jip soo badly? I hate having to wait for a game, i hate playing with small amounts of ppl we doo coop they may be mature but half the ppl u end up with r just useless. Also i want longer games, no reassigns after 30mins, i want games 2hours plus, tex once asked me who has the time to play 2hours? well who has the time to wait 30mins.There are 2 games with vechicles BF1942 and OFP what do kiddies do when they r buying a game the see a hard realistic game, and a simple shooter what do they do? I play RTCW and ive met far less kiddies than OFP as it is now, as mp ofp currently has no future with it shrinking becoming a more closer nit community squads will dissapear and u will be left with the saem thing day after day.

[HellToupee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Oct. 02 2002,05:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">so do you get it? those who left OFP was what i call 'ignorant' mass. these bunch of guys are not for appreciation, just looking for some fun fragfest and talk in l33t fashion. and one of there characteristics is that when they are done drinking nectars of a game, they abandon it. they are those who prefer using cheats too. just because some game has large number, that doesn't mean it's great.<span id='postcolor'>

And what other games are like this other than CS which currently is still considered "the" PC game, not by me tho. I want many players so i have ppl to play, i like the ol coop now and again but fighting the ai is no challange to a human, i want team vs team, Now most liky u r in the US, u wouldnt have a problem because thats where most ofp players seem t come from, u have enuff squads to have a small ladder, but in NZ we just got our wee forum our 1 server most of the day the server is empty and is the only place i can play, i cant play overseas, and if that goes my mp days of ofp are over, and if this game dosnt get sum popularity online that day mite be very soon.

[Kermit 0]

Yeah, I agree with Tex and Ralph and those who say that Operation Flashpoint should stay unique.

Ralph, when did you become a moderator? I congratulate you, it couldn't have happened to a better chap.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HellToupee @ Oct. 02 2002,04:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">but in NZ we just got our wee forum our 1 server most of the day the server is empty and is the only place i can play, i cant play overseas, and if that goes my mp days of ofp are over, and if this game dosnt get sum popularity online that day mite be very soon.<span id='postcolor'>

We've got a guy from Aus in our squad, and he handles it just fine