Antichrist 0 Posted September 21, 2002 Is this picture fake or real? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted September 21, 2002 fake the rocket is too big to be an mlrs rocket , or at least the proportions aren't respected Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted September 21, 2002 you got it from the fas ? if yes , then , it's some kind of commercial picture for some kind of guided or fragmentation mlrs rocket , but this picture is a fake , that's for sure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vade_101 0 Posted September 21, 2002 Not sure about that pic, but the system is real, tactical surface-to-surface missle (Average unit cost $0.82M), very nasty peice of kit. either 950 antipersonnel and antimateriel M74 grenades or 13 BAT or P3I BAT "brilliant" submunitions. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">M39 Army Tactical Missile System (Army TACMS) The Army Tactical Missile System (Army TACMS) is a family of long-range, near all-weather guided missiles fired from the Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) M270 launcher and deployed within the ammunition loads of corps MLRS battalions. The Army TACMS provides the joint task force (JTF) and corps commanders an operational fires capability for precision engagement of the enemy throughout the depth of the battlefield beyond the range of currently fielded cannons and rockets. It delays disrupts, neutralizes or destroys high payoff targets such as combat maneuver units, surface to surface missile units, air defense units, command/control/ communications sites and helicopter forward area rearming/refueling points. The Block IA is an upgrade intended to double the range of the current Army TACMS Block I missile. Army TACMS Block IA will dispense M74 Anti-Personnel, Anti-Materiel (APAM) bomblets, as does the Block I. The Army TACMS Block IA's ability to engage the enemy at extended ranges will reinforce the dominant maneuver force by helping the JTF commander shape the battlespace. <span id='postcolor'> The Army Tactical Missile System (Army TACMS) Lockheed Martin Successfully Fires First Army TACMS Block IA Unitary Missile Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted September 21, 2002 the system is real , but i really doubt that the photo he asked about is real too in his pic , the rocket is way bigger than the launching tubes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edc 0 Posted September 21, 2002 I think the launching tubes on the left have MLRS unguided rockets in them, and the right part had a ATACMs in it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vade_101 0 Posted September 21, 2002 Seems pretty consistent with these. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted September 21, 2002 look at the first pic , you can see clearly that the missile is oversized Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USMC Sniper 0 Posted September 21, 2002 doesnt look oversized to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Benze 0 Posted September 21, 2002 I don't know, could be real, but I could see how it looks fake, the lighting just doesn't seem right... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted September 21, 2002 the problem with vade's pics is that we don't see the rocket tubes , but we can see them on the first post's pic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dayglow 2 Posted September 21, 2002 If you look at the base of the blast from the rocket you can see the smaller tubes with the caps on them, so fake. COLINMAN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albert Schweitzer 10 Posted September 21, 2002 it looks like the vehicule carries a huge car radio on its back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 21, 2002 Fake, all the way. The MLRS is used as a long range "shotgun". The "M" in MLRS stands for "Multiple". With rockets of that size it couldn't fire more then two. No, MLRS rockets (m26) are thin and long: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edc 0 Posted September 21, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Fake, all the way. The MLRS is used as a long range "shotgun". The "M" in MLRS stands for "Multiple". With rockets of that size it couldn't fire more then two. No, MLRS rockets (m26) are thin and long: <span id='postcolor'> Its not an MLRS rocket its a ATACMs which is a larger longer range, guided rocket that can be shot out of the MLRS launch vehicle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted September 21, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Sep. 21 2002,18:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> the problem with vade's pics is that we don't see the rocket tubes , but we can see them on the first post's pic<span id='postcolor'> ^^^^^^^^^ look ^^^^^^^^^^^^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joltan 0 Posted September 21, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Sep. 21 2002,20:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">^^^^^^^^^ look ^^^^^^^^^^^^<span id='postcolor'> Actually I can't see any small tubes on the side where the rocket exits - on the contrary - it looks (if you zoom in with a grapics prog) like there's just one big opening (definitely big enough for the rocket). Also the ilumination of the Launcher seems to be in order with the rocket exhaust... So if it is possible to load this Launcher with different ordenance on each side, I would say that this is either real or a very good fake. Edit: also the cover pieces that are blown away as the rocket launches are way to big for small launch tubes and corespond more with the size of the full opening... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edc 0 Posted September 21, 2002 What would be the point of making a fake picture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Frag 0 Posted September 21, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (edc @ Sep. 21 2002,13:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What would be the point of making a fake picture.<span id='postcolor'> More importantly, why would FAS put a fake picture up on their website? They, of all people, would know the difference, and preserve their integrity by not using it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 21, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Sep. 21 2002,22:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (edc @ Sep. 21 2002,13<!--emo&)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What would be the point of making a fake picture.<span id='postcolor'> More importantly, why would FAS put a fake picture up on their website? They, of all people, would know the difference, and preserve their integrity by not using it.<span id='postcolor'> Actually, FAS is not a very solid source of military information. Their intel on for instance Russian submarines is in the worst cases pure fiction and in the best very outdated. The only civilian source of military information that is of acceptable quality is Janes Defense Review. I agree however with those saying that there is no reason to put a fake picture. I'm just guessing anyway since I really don't know much about MLRS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VXR 9 Posted September 21, 2002 i think its a fake if you take a close look to the edges of the rocket tube you see small round tubes like on the left rocket tube Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vade_101 0 Posted September 21, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Each M270 holds either two LPCs or two GMLAs (not a mix of the two) in the LLM (see Figure 1-3). Each launch pod contains either six rocket tubes or one missile housing in a containerized shipping, storage, and launch frame. Rockets and missiles are factory assembled and tested. Rockets are stored in fiberglass containers; missiles are stored in an aluminum enclosure with fiberglass camouflage panels on the exterior. Both rockets and missiles are then mounted on the frame. Both the rocket tubes and the missile housing are connected by cable to common electrical connectors. Not only are handling, transport, and loading fixtures similar, the LPC and GMLA are also visually similar. <span id='postcolor'> Could that be taken to mean they put the "little tubes" on the ends of the Missile Launch pod to make them look the same (and so make it hard to tell what the muntion/payload is)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Antichrist 0 Posted September 22, 2002 I decided that it was not fake! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dayglow 2 Posted September 22, 2002 0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (joltan @ Sep. 21 2002,130)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Sep. 21 2002,20:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">^^^^^^^^^ look ^^^^^^^^^^^^<span id='postcolor'> Actually I can't see any small tubes on the side where the rocket exits - on the contrary - it looks (if you zoom in with a grapics prog) like there's just one big opening (definitely big enough for the rocket). Also the ilumination of the Launcher seems to be in order with the rocket exhaust... So if it is possible to load this Launcher with different ordenance on each side, I would say that this is either real or a very good fake. Edit: also the cover pieces that are blown away as the rocket launches are way to big for small launch tubes and corespond more with the size of the full opening...<span id='postcolor'> Look right where the missile bright blast is hitting the top of the launcher. To the left of the blast you can see a quarter circle of the smaller tube. COLINMAN Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Espectro (DayZ) 0 Posted September 22, 2002 Its real.. or either a really good fake. If you see on the pieces that are blown away, you can see that the small "tubes" that are on the left side of the launch-pad is actually "painted" onto the pieces that are blown away. This means that if the pieces is real, the tocket that were fired out of the MLRS were big enough to break through several "painted tubes": Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
