Iraq (current news/events)

[Tonci87 163]

I agree.

[Rarkhan 10]

The situation what is happening in Iraq and Syria is very simple, first don't focus on that region because it is part of a much bigger strategic game, compare it to risk. It is still the cold war all over again, for example Bashar al assad was a allie of russia for more then 40 years a threat for the strategic interests in Iraq etc. So what does the US, they fund a radical group that can be used for their agenda. Like the enemie of my enemie is my friend. But they did not know that these people were more dangerous then they thought ( or they did ) they are using ideologie in war and that is very dangerous, because when there is just a interest in let say a town, when the town is yours the war is over. But a ideologie will live on for a 1000 years. These people are not islamist, they are wahhabis the most radical and a big minoritie under the muslim society. It is not fair judging all of islam just of what you see on tv or etc. I am orthodox christian not islam but i have respect for their religion because it is a good way of life. It is the same with Israel, because politics and some zionists like to kill all Arabs doesn't make all jews evil. What is happening now, the US is bombing ISIL targets and the peshmerga is advancing forward. The ISIL blitzkrieg is come to a stand still, but now what will be the effect. ISIL knows they can't beat the US air power so they go back to Syria where America is not allowed to bomb. This is already happening, they took over the whole province of Raqqa and a airfield abandoned by the Syrian army with full intact jets helicopters and tanks. These people that are in power are very smart they don't think twice or 3 or 4 times, they think 40 times ahead and nothing is as it seems, because what i always say is this, if average people like you and me can discuss things like this then highly educated specificly in the art of war and politics people they can do this much better. It is very sad to see that these animals wahhabi people are walking around beheading people etc, because my wife is from syria and the stories she tells me it is unbelievable. But keep in mind, the life of people is not important in the game of policitcs, it is we as individuals that need to come together love each other because they will not do that for us. Everything begins with youreself and that is what religion is all about, changing youreself in the best person you can possibly be, but most people don't understand this and they make war to eachother just because they can. I hope the best for the people living there and i hope the US will solve this problem because they are the one that created this.

Rarkhan

[mistyronin 1181]

So what does the US, they fund a radical group that can be used for their agenda.

I see a little problem with your theory.

IS was created in Iraq in the early 2000s to fight the Invading Coalition.

Basically you are saying that the US funded IS who had been attacking, killing their soldiers and creating chaos in the post-invasion Iraq for almost 10 years.

I'm sorry but that is non-sense to me.

[batto 17]

IS was created in Iraq in the early 2000s to fight the Invading Coalition.

I don't believe these groups (IS, al-Qaeda, whatever) are discrete. I think it's more like "You got AK-47? Want to kill some infidels? Come with us.". So international support for war against Assad helped.

[Rarkhan 10]

I see a little problem with your theory.

IS was created in Iraq in the early 2000s to fight the Invading Coalition.

Basically you are saying that the US funded IS who had been attacking, killing their soldiers and creating chaos in the post-invasion Iraq for almost 10 years.

I'm sorry but that is non-sense to me.

There is proof, they are funded by Turkey UK Saudi Arabia and US and trained in Jordan, don't compare ISIS of today with Al quida in Iraq 14 years ago.

And yes they did, the same for training Al quada to fight the russians in Afghanistan. The mission of US was not to create stability but to create chaos just like you sad.

You think they went there because Sadam Hussein was such a bad leader? ofcourse not

Edited August 26, 2014 by Rarkhan

[mistyronin 1181]

There is proof, they are funded by Turkey UK Saudi Arabia and US and trained in Jordan, don't compare ISIS of today with Al quida in Iraq 14 years ago.

It's was not Bin Laden's Al Qaeda, IS was one of the organizations under it's umbrella, which later went on its own.

Are you trying to say that the Free Syrian Army is the same as IS? ( the FSA were the ones funded by Turkey, etc. )

In that case, why do the FSA and IS are at war and kill each other.

Again you don't make any sense.

[katipo66 94]

On a side note wasnt Syria snubbed by the US when they asked for cooperation to eliminate Jihadist groups in 2010?

More interesting read here: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/10DAMASCUS159_a.html#efmBraBr6BsHB6RB6UCDN

[Rarkhan 10]

It's was not Bin Laden's Al Qaeda, IS was one of the organizations under it's umbrella, which later went on its own.

Are you trying to say that the Free Syrian Army is the same as IS? ( the FSA were the ones funded by Turkey, etc. )

In that case, why do the FSA and IS are at war and kill each other.

Again you don't make any sense.

I am saying not to compare Al quaida with the ISIS nowadays and yes Turkey supported the FSA which ment in those days the money was going to ISIS. You think i know nothing about this subject? Then tell me why i don't make sense, because i am saying that this group is funded by western countries? Because it is true. And btw you think that when when they gave money to the FSA that they didn't know isis existed and it is something new? Ofcourse they knew about them a long time. Watch combat footage of those so called AK 47 no skill idiots, because those "idiots" are highly trained professionals. They are no dumb ass sheep herders, they know what they are doing. They are all trained in Jordan. Mostly are Saudi Arabians the biggest ally of US you think they knew nothing about this that they have nothing to do with this.. come on man

[mistyronin 1181]

But of course you can't compare Al Qaeda with IS.

IS was formerly called ISIS and before Al Qaeda in Iraq. But Al Qaeda in Iraq was NOT the same as Al Qaeda.

In the same way, when the US and other nations funded the FSA was precisely with instructions to fight IS.

So of course that the FSA is NOT IS. Nor the money sent to FSA ended in IS.

BTW nowadays IS is being funded by drug traffic, robbing banks, extortion ( you know asking for ransom to the foreigners they kidnap, there is even traffic of slaves ).

[Rarkhan 10]

But of course you can't compare Al Qaeda with IS.

IS was formerly called ISIS and before Al Qaeda in Iraq. But Al Qaeda in Iraq was NOT the same as Al Qaeda.

In the same way, when the US and other nations funded the FSA was precisely with instructions to fight IS.

So of course that the FSA is NOT IS. Nor the money sent to FSA ended in IS.

BTW nowadays IS is being funded by drug traffic, robbing banks, extortion ( you know asking for ransom to the foreigners they kidnap, there is even traffic of slaves ).

The US wanted Assad away because he is not pro western, they gave the rebels FSA support in that time, so there would be chaos and when everything is over they can set a puppet pro western president in power. But they underastimated assad, so they found another solution, fund and train a radical jihadist group that was already there and let them do the dirty work. But then it backfired because they started attacking iraq and now how they make money, well my friend. Oil, taxes etc they are no dumb criminals they are well educated and smart people. They are not just rebels or jihadist coming out from nowhere they are trained oke. They make 1 milion dollar a day only from the oil they sell. They sell elektricity from captured factories to the government. They ask taxes from the people living in the caliphate. As i said, they are not just al quaida linked group this are people that you may not underestimate. The US is creating chaos in the middle east on purpose, think about it. Why are they even there? Do they like the Arabs so much that they want to protect them? Hahah ofcourse not, it is all about the oil, why do you think Saudi Arabia is there biggest allie. But now those people IS are stealing Americas oil and selling it so they have to intervene. Before that, they were just watching people getting murdered by them. It is all a dirty game and with the cost of human life. Now let the US do something good and bomb those IS people and then go away stay in their own country, o wait that can't because America economy is based on warfare.. hmm, well maybe they should "save" some other countries from their "realy bad" leader.

Edited August 27, 2014 by Rarkhan

[mistyronin 1181]

they found another solution, fund and train a radical jihadist group that was already there and let them do the dirty work. But then it backfired because they started attacking iraq

As I told you that doesn't make any sense.

IS started in Iraq. And the US knew them perfectly since the early 2000's, because they have been fighting them for almost a decade.

So no. The US did not train their main enemies at that moment.

It's obvious that the US want the Assad's regime to be over, and install someone more receptive to the capitalist companies. And the US provided money, equipment ( including cars ), training etc. to the FSA, but not to IS.

[Dwarden 1125]

it seems the IS is now spreading to Libya ... where the West got rid of Kaddafi (which was actually more and more friendly with -west) ...

[miketim 20]

Really?

Do you have a source dwarden? Like did something happen recently on the news

[vilas 477]

Really?

Do you have a source dwarden? Like did something happen recently on the news

there is topic about Lybia and there was a news about some airport attacks, cause IS is spreading over territory of few Arabic countries, IS is not only nothern Iraq, IS is cancer that touches few countries in that region from inside,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/11055436/Egypt-and-UAE-launched-air-strikes-against-Libyan-Islamists.html

Islamists try to create caliphate theocracy in whole region of Middle East and Northern Africa

Islamists commit horrible mass murders in Nigeria (but Nigeria has no oil, so world media are silent about horror that happens in Nigeria since few years) there is no topic about Africa, but every day hundreds of African people die because Islamists mass slaughter Christians or Pagans who live there, Africa and especially Nigeria is now one big slaughterhouse shouting "Allah Akbar"

if Nigeria had oil, every media would report what happens there, but since they are just poor people , noone cares

there are days where even 500 deaths are reported

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamist_insurgency_in_Nigeria

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2014/06/nigeria-ex-muslim-faces-execution-for-being-an-atheist-freemubarak/

and a lot of links about for example Islamists assault raid to kill people who are on mass in Christian Church etc.

real hell is now in Nigeria

http://allafrica.com/stories/201408211548.html

http://townhall.com/news/religion/2014/08/15/nigeria-death-toll-higher-than-reported-n1879392

Islamic terror cannot be see as just "IS" now, it is spread in whole globe, in Asia, in Africa , it was in Russia , in Europe, in USA

generally reports about it you can find under section of "List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 30 Days" at many websites such as for example http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ and it is only 1 month period,

you can find there reports about moderate Muslims killed by Islamists Jihadists for not obeying Quoran/Sharia , cause moderate Islamists are half-atheists, as moderate Catholics (who are 90% of Catholics probably) those so called moderate people want to live normally not in middle ages, and they are also targets , if moderate Muslims who live in Europe , suddenly found in Middle East, probably 80% of them would be executed within minute for the fact that they eaten beacon, drunk wine or beer and worn not religious clothes or listened to the music and danced, i bet 80% or 90% of moderate Muslims (rather half Muslims, rather agnostic, cause they not obey Quoran strictly) living in US/EU would not want to find themselves in Middle East or Africa because there is no freedom in theocracy

but theocracy is the best when you are in charge, you tell people you are sent by god, and they obey you and pay you money, such system we had in Europe for over 1000 years and all ancient cultures were saying that government is given by god and people have to obey ,

example of people who were Muslims but they wear "not appropriate" clothes of eat "not halal' food and were killed also are in this "contribution to world peace" in Philipines, Nigeria , Syria, Pakistan , there are even moderate mullahs killed in mosques too by Islamists,

look at number of killed people, it is just number from 1 month and it is few hundreds of people including moderate Muslims who do not want live in MiddleAges

Islamic terror is wider problem than IS and it is global problem , it is present in Nigeria when militiamen slaughter people, it is present in modern european cities where some thugs want make Sharia-zones (famous Sharia-patrol in London as just one example, no-dogs zone reported in French city, no-go zones in German cities, in French cities where immigrants try to create Sharia-zone )

so it is wider problem and danger of our civilisation when it spreads across different countries, IS is just one department in corporation Islamic Terror Inc. Ltd.

theocracy was something horrible and anyone who know history of Holy Inquistion knows it

http://newsninja2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/sex-with-goats.jpg

this is even worse than middleages, this is mental ilness what such guys say

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRrJtIk3cEts8ocqdEEjprcHO7eFty_43mPT73U_wMnYO-qUPYvrg

https://pl.vichan.net/id/src/1s1nt3wz.vichan.jpg

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/images/london-muslim-protest-2.jpg

http://chersonandmolschky.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/behead-those-who-insult-islam.jpg

http://images.3aw.com.au/2012/09/15/3637687/150912-Behead-Prophet.jpg

this is problem in some EU cities now

imigrants come and protest and call to behead and kill those who criticize their religion

so as anyone can see it is not just IS and Iraq, if people are going on European street and call to kill , behead, torture those who do not agree with their religion

i recently seen photos of 3 maybe 4 years old child beheaded by Islamists, story told it was in Syria when Islamists attacked Christian village, i cannot post link to website with article about this horror,

such things as beheading 4 years old kid cannot be forgiven or cannot be forgotten

Edited August 27, 2014 by vilas

[Xalteva 10]

Nigeria has fancy ressources ! gold, diamond and uranium but also expensive woods :)

[aleksadragutin 9]

This has become very serious matter. It might not sound right, but the only way to put an end to this is by completely exterminating islam (not the people, but the religion) through coordinated action from the rest of the world.

[Tonci87 163]

No that would be wrong, and impossible. Such an attempt would even strenghten the religion.

[aleksadragutin 9]

I didn't mean through bombs or invasion, but missions like UN. 1st step would be educating the people, installing systems that would prevent extremist thinking, and government that would have a tight grip on any potential group.

What these people are doing is a crime against humanity.

[Xalteva 10]

Politicians need religion ... it's a variable they can play with and manipulate it as they wish ! we still have in our world religions from 10000 years ago :)

Islam is no different ,it has many good/bad aspects that can be manipulated according to the context !

[aleksadragutin 9]

Politicians need religion ... it's a variable they can play with and manipulate it as they wish ! we still have in our world religions from 10000 years ago :)

Islam is no different ,it has many good/bad aspects that can be manipulated according to the context !

Islam is the only wide spread religion that I know of that is supporting jihad and killing of infidels. It does not punish you in any way for murder, instead it rewards you with virgins in heaven. It is also one of the youngest religions. This, and the lack of rational thinking make it a very dangerous combination, not just for other religions but for "normal" muslims too.

[vilas 477]

This has become very serious matter. It might not sound right, but the only way to put an end to this is by completely exterminating islam (not the people, but the religion) through coordinated action from the rest of the world.

thats why education is important, to show those people we all are human,

if only 20% of them can read/write, internet news will not help them, they do not know foreign languages like we all ,

th most important is showing them good examples of european lifestyle, and not allow those who see us as evil animals, enter here,

but showing rest of Muslim that world and life is not like Quoran says, but other people are human and under all geographical place we have similar needs and similar dreams and similar things makes people happy,

what made me atheists, as i am from very catholic family?

- porno, cause my family was saying it is bad and evil, but since i know what is sex i know that there is nothing wrong in sex and sex is the best thing in life,

- meeting people who are not catholic extreme, seeing their life is better, their life is more joyful, their life is happy and my youth was only agression, forbiding, obeying irrational stuff, i can say my teenage years were wasted ,

- metal music made me free and thinking critical,

- all issues connected with "holy days" and "food issues", i always revolted in family against "why the hell i must eat this f* fish, i want beacon" ,

- seeing other people happines opposite to catholic despote family made me thinking "wtf is wrong with my family, not what the f is wrong with the world around" (Islamists see it opposite "i must slaughter rest of the world")

- a lot of injustice i seen in life, now i say to anyone who dare to say to me about god "if Jesus is good, if God exist and love us, why small children die because of cancer, while gangsters who rob and steal, have nice girls to f* and they live till the end of their life with good money and fun"

education is important, not just biology, history, physics, but usual education about other lifestyles in other cultures

Islam has some good points that we should introduce, but those things are far from political correctness, and because our civilization is rotting (criminal right over victim right, mad feminists, too big lgtb show off, banking system) in our civilisation people convert to Islam as it has harsh rules,

people want harsh clear non-compromise moral rules, which they cannot find in rotting western civilisation (Breivik killed 70 people , 20 years of holidays in luxury hotel, a lot of criminal stories i can tell)

so there are things in which Islam is right , but Islam's problem is that extreme forces others to very stupid stuff like all this "halal" stuff

i do not have anything against cutting hand of thief, i do not have anything against not allowing daughter to marry criminal or drunkard (who she loves cause girls love "bad boys") but i am strongly against forbidding music , porn, kinds of food, cause this is irrational , i am against suicide bombers who blow up because someone was visiting Church, i am against killing someone because he was born as gay, i am against irrational rules of what you can eat or what you cannot eat because of calendar date,

our civilisation to not allow break because of rotting, should use smart some things which are in Islam such as consumer rights, price control, harsh criminal treating - cause when our civilisation were strongest ? when we were no1 in the world ? when were "bigots, conservative", than we were strong,

why Russia is stronger ? cause they take care about THEIR business, THEIR health, THEIR comfort - this makes them strong and us weaker ,

Islamist extreme is dangerous not because it is so big in quantity and strong, but because we are so weak and not fight back,

Islam extreme might be 1% of world population, but when 99% doesn't fight, than 1% can kill it easy,

like with Breivik - he was 1 man, there were hundred men, if all would run against him - he would not be able to change magazine, he would kill 10, wounded 15 people , but not 70

but when people heard shot, they hide and become target, when they would fight back and attacked him in large group, he would shot maybe dozen of them and than died, he was easily changing another magazines, there was no group of men "lets run him over, even if he will kill half of us, remaining will kill him"

with Islamist it is the same

few man slaughter 1000 defensless men,

how it looks on that movies ?

a group of 6-8 jihadists come with 6 AK and kill 50 people

what would be if those 50 people had AK ?

those Jihadists would die in second with 100 bullets in body, even if those people are not good shooters but quantity over quality works there,

why noone attack Switzerland, Finland, USA ? cause every man has rifle, you will not win any war there without exterminating 100% of population,

what does politically correct government when guys run on street of Paris, Berlin, London with text "kill all infidels, behead all who insult Allah"

what police is doing ? nothing

later someone from those Islamist kill someone and there is news on small right-wing newspage about it ?

how long guys from Sharia patrol in London were acting BEFORE they killed someone, before they stabbed with knives some people ? how long they were tollerated ?

before they were imprisoned for killing , they spent 2 years of terrorizing some streets legally, i can bet there was 100 police reports about them

how much of those who keep posters "behead all infidels" on photos i shown, how much of those who threat to kill atheists sit now in prisons or are deported from EU ? i can bet 0 of them

how much of those who go to fight in Syria were previously interrorgated and kept by intel ? they publish on Facebook comments about supporting terror and killing, how much of them WALK FREE ? 100% ?

those who support Jihad and make such protests as i shown on photos - should be THE SAME DAY extradicted from Europe, even if it would mean paradropping them somewhere in the desert ,

we cannot keep and feed from our taxes (majority of them take social care for sure) guys who want to kill us, we should throw away from Europe those who were shown on photos "Behead all ..." "you will see real holocaust" "Sharia for Belgium" "Slay all Infidels" etc. - how much of them were arrested ? how much ?

how much of people who issue death threats to ex-Muslims who converted to CHristianity or apostates were arrested ? zero

meanwhile our EU want extradicts some Pakistani people who have death-sentence for apostasy

power is in group action, Islamists can group, they do it perfectly

we are not able to group because all have different opinion and goal,

Edited August 27, 2014 by vilas

[Xalteva 10]

Islam is the only wide spread religion that I know of that is supporting jihad and killing of infidels.

Wrong !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

It does not punish you in any way for murder, instead it rewards you with virgins in heaven.

Wrong !

http://quran.com/5/32

This, and the lack of rational thinking make it a very dangerous combination

Religions were never about rational thinking ,it has always been about belief :)

[vilas 477]

Wrong !

how about those quotes from Quoran:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

about Crusades i absolutely agree, more over i would add Holy Inquisition

[Xalteva 10]

Yes ,you expect to attack someone and go away without retaliations :P ? at least this what i read there!

[vilas 477]

oo so you justify Jihad because of Crusaders 1000 years ago ? forgetting about Ottoman Empire attacks 400 years ago, nice, are you Jihadist yourself ?