Second grouchy media video released

[Benze 0]

http://www.grouchymedia.com/terrorists/download.cfm

Score.

[Aculaud 0]

Today is indeed the day of propaganda

[Tex -USMC- 0]

mmm... motivating. 2 more years for me.

Its too bad that with all that firepower we still cant seem to paste a few terrorists, but we can still manage to find an Afghan wedding and blow it up.

[Mister Frag 0]

Note to self: don't fire AA guns when a C-130 Spectre is overhead at my next wedding...

[Tex -USMC- 0]

AA guns? hell, they were just shooting AK47s

[MDRZulu 0]

wow that nuke footage was pretty cool i need to find some more.

[Aculaud 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MDRZulu @ Sep. 11 2002,20:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">wow that nuke footage was pretty cool i need to find some more.<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah, i heard about this video, Trinity and Beyond, thats supposed to have all the declassified nuke test footage from the first US bomb to about a few years ago. Havent found myself a copy yet

[Warin 0]

Here are some small (160x120) Quicktimes of several tests.

I shudder when I hear the words 'that was pretty cool' and 'nuke footage' in the same sentence.  When I watch clips like these, I am reminded of what destructive power is out there... and just how horrific it will be if that power is ever used in anger again.

This is a link to the video that Aculaud spoke of. There is some multimedia there, including shots of the firing of 'The Atomic Cannon' What the hell were they THINKING??

[Snoopy 0]

yea, anybody know where they can find the nuke videos?

they seem cool (well only the effects and such).

[Snoopy 0]

whoops, Warin and me posted at the same time

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Sep. 12 2002,06:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">'The Atomic Cannon' What the hell were they THINKING??<span id='postcolor'>

That would be Atomic Annie. You have to remember that it was a completely different time period- NATO forces were outnumbered by Eastern Bloc forces along the East West german line, and it was not at all certain that NATO had a technological edge. So... voila, this is how the Pentagon solves problems. Think of it as the worlds biggest sledgehammer.

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Sep. 11 2002,20:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">AA guns? hell, they were just shooting AK47s<span id='postcolor'>

You can attach your own level of credibility to the source, but according to the U.S. Central Command, anti-aircraft artillery was indeed fired.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

The thing you have ti understand about killing and WMD is that it fascinates us due to POWER. When you kill someone, you have used your POWER to terminate them. Nuclear weapons make you feal POWERful. Imagine knowing that you have a nuclear bomb such as the ones in the video clips? Knowing that with the press of a button, you could kill possably millions. Seeing a nuke explode with all its POWER makes us think 'wow!' loom at how POWERful that thing is!

[Col. Kurtz 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Sep. 12 2002,15:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Sep. 11 2002,20:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">AA guns? hell, they were just shooting AK47s<span id='postcolor'>

You can attach your own level of credibility to the source, but according to the U.S. Central Command, anti-aircraft artillery was indeed fired.<span id='postcolor'>

Im sorry, but due to the fact that it was reported by CNN, and it was a finding of the US military, Im still a little skepitikal.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Who knows. The truth is probably somewhere in between, maybe RPKs or some other machine gun were being fired. Although after a quarter century of almost constant warfare, I find it hard to believe that that many civilians would be dumb enough to congregate around what they had to know was a ripe target for an airstrike. They saw the Sovs in action, so they knew that such targets draw fire.

Hmm, well I doubt we will ever really figure it out. Once again though, I think its pretty fishy that a wedding would be going on near an active AAA battery- thats an explanation that I just cant accept. Now, I am sure that the Specter had no idea there was a wedding down there, as did probably everyone involved. But that doesnt change the fact that we bombed a wedding. Intentional or not, that sort of thing isnt very good for Old Glory's reputation around the world. Thats something Hamas or Hezbollah would do.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

This is a key problem. In Americas quest to end terrorism, things will, and already have happened such as the bombing gof the wedding that will be counter-productive.

Everytime a bombs or the like kills another Muslim civilian, it will just fuel the terrorist groups fires. It will also draw in more recruits. We must be careful, or by trying to stamp out terrorsim, we must just be breeding it.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Would you suggest we stay at home and watch Fox news to see what TERROR ALERT COLOR STATUS (God I love that term, it is so self-defeating) is currently in effect? We have to do something, and as always, mistakes are made, its just that when mistakes involving live ammunition are made, well, things get messy.

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

I wonder why they replaced those sounds on the video clips?

[Col. Kurtz 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Sep. 12 2002,16:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Would you suggest we stay at home and watch Fox news to see what TERROR ALERT COLOR STATUS (God I love that term, it is so self-defeating) is currently in effect? We have to do something, and as always, mistakes are made, its just that when mistakes involving live ammunition are made, well, things get messy.<span id='postcolor'>

I just said be CAREFUL. Always make, or at least try more than we do now, to make sure that the strike will not result in civilian casualties. Its a bit of a hard ask, but every effort must be taken.

[Supah 0]

Well from a purely esthetic point of view the cloud is pretty to watch. Sure its awfull once you factor its effects in. The power factor doesnt cut it for me though ..... taking someones live is more a sign if powerlessness to me then anything else as is war the ultimate resultof the failure of politicians to solve the problems they started in the first place (well mostly).

[arkadeyevich 0]

From a purely esthetic point of view Triumph of the Will (1935) was better.

[Die Alive 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Sep. 12 2002,02:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Would you suggest we stay at home and watch Fox news to see what TERROR ALERT COLOR STATUS (God I love that term, it is so self-defeating)<span id='postcolor'>

LoL, imagine if the US Government let women choose the colors for the Terror Alert?

Rich Ruby

Wildflower

Raspberry

Tulip

Pomegranate

Blase Apricot

Revlon Red

Hot Coral

Coralissima

Orange Flip

Fire And Ice

Amber Fire

Applemelon

The only color I worry about is "Time o' the month" red.

-=Die Alive=-

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Now, I am sure that the Specter had no idea there was a wedding down there, as did probably everyone involved. But that doesnt change the fact that we bombed a wedding. Intentional or not, that sort of thing isnt very good for Old Glory's reputation around the world. Thats something Hamas or Hezbollah would do. <span id='postcolor'>

Yeah, but terrorists do it intentionally. Intent does have a factor. When you mix weapons and soldiers into a dense civillian population accidents are bound to happen. People like to criticize the U.S. for accidently killing civilians, but look at the events in Mogadishu in 1993. The enemy there used civilians as human shields, civilians were also mixed in with the combatants in dense crowds. When fire is coming from the crowd, what are you going to do? Not shoot to save your own life because you are afraid of killing a few civilians? The same case can be applied to Afghanistan. It's a war. Things like that happen, you can't sanitize a war to where there are only combatants who are killed.

However, I do think that the pilots should use some restraint and not bomb wherever they see a muzzle flash, and envoke 'self-defence' like what happend back in April, where 4 Canadians were killed in a designated training area by an overzealous pilot.

C'est la guerre.

Tyler

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Sep. 12 2002,20:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The same case can be applied to Afghanistan. It's a war. Things like that happen, you can't sanitize a war to where there are only combatants who are killed<span id='postcolor'>

you can at least paint the fragmentation bomblets in a different color than the yellow of the ration boxes .....

though i agree about pilots and bombs .....

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Sep. 12 2002,20:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah, but terrorists do it intentionally. Intent does have a factor.<span id='postcolor'>

Very true, America for all it's faults does not intentionally kill innocents. Accidental deaths as part of a war have nothing to do with the justness of the war.