beastcat 14 Posted August 30, 2014 Serbia and Russia sitting on a tree, K-i-s-s-i-n-g... lol Why do Serbians actually love Russia so much? ---------- Post added at 17:30 ---------- Previous post was at 17:29 ---------- Yes it does. The only difference are those thin plates hanging of the ERA. And yet its still very different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carlostex 38 Posted August 30, 2014 lol Why do Serbians actually love Russia so much? I was just goofin' off, but that's a good question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted August 30, 2014 Both Orthodox. Russia has always seeked to establish a base of power on the Balkan through Serbia to challenge the Habsburg Monarchy. That is why both nations are such close friends. There were actually quite a few Russians who went to fight for Serbia during the last war. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aleksadragutin 9 Posted August 30, 2014 lol Why do Serbians actually love Russia so much?---------- Post added at 17:30 ---------- Previous post was at 17:29 ---------- And yet its still very different. How is that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beastcat 14 Posted August 30, 2014 How is that? Well, I don't know, maybe the huge metal plate is indeed something people may notice, afterall its kinda huge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aleksadragutin 9 Posted August 30, 2014 Well, I don't know, maybe the huge metal plate is indeed something people may notice, afterall its kinda huge. But fairly useless though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beastcat 14 Posted August 30, 2014 But fairly useless though. Useless or not, its there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spooky lynx 73 Posted August 30, 2014 But they don't have that problem, the pro-Russians already said that there are hundreds of actual Russian soldiers fighting in their side. So they just use the issued equipment. BTW in any Army of the world, it's illegal to fight in another country's war without your HQ permit. So Russian soldiers are fighting inside Ukraine in the pro-Russian side, with the Russian Army HQ assent. One little mention: serviceman being on vacation is able to do whatever he wants. So those who are not at service now don't need any HQ permit to go to Donbass. This was said by Zaharchenko. BTW such things aren't rare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted August 30, 2014 Come on, how can you believe such BS, Spooky ? Instead of caravans they take armored vehicles and tanks while on vacations ? That's amazing how you can swallow such fairy tales.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted August 30, 2014 One little mention: serviceman being on vacation is able to do whatever he wants. So those who are not at service now don't need any HQ permit to go to Donbass. This was said by Zaharchenko. BTW such things aren't rare. Dude you have been wrong sooo many times in this thread...... and yet here you are again. What do you make of the 10 Russian paratroopers that were captured inside Ukraine? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted August 30, 2014 http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1356,title,Pobito-dziennikarza-piszacego-o-zolnierzach-zabitych-na-Ukrainie,wid,16849018,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=1135bc&_ticrsn=3 member of Yabloko party (probably only European-democratic party in Russia) who was journalist and who was writing about dead Russian soliders in ukraine was attacke "by uknown person" and now he is in hospital in serious state, other journalists who interested in dying Russian paratroopers in Ukraine also were attacked in recent days Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spooky lynx 73 Posted August 30, 2014 Come on, how can you believe such BS, Spooky ? Instead of caravans they take armored vehicles and tanks while on vacations ? That's amazing how you can swallow such fairy tales.... You know, the same was during wars on post-Soviet wars. So it's not the first time that militarymen prefer to take arms while being free from service. It's often only legal way to take part in the fighting. BTW first T-64BM Bulat was captured by DPR insurgents: Actual Russian soldiers after battle: http://sd.uploads.ru/4gbER.jpg (278 kB) ---------- Post added at 22:51 ---------- Previous post was at 22:46 ---------- Dude you have been wrong sooo many times in this thread...... and yet here you are again. What do you make of the 10 Russian paratroopers that were captured inside Ukraine? Paratroopers that don't have any signs at uniforms (BTW their uniform is not one that is currently issued but rather commercial one) and don't know that Chuvashian republic that 'must not exist' is already existing as federation region? Paratroopers that must be of ten persons (as stated) but only nine were shown? Paratroopers whose amount does not match with any detachment of current ToE? Another stupid UA fake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Chechen Batalion Vostok - somehow they found in Ukraine with arms and vehicles in May, miracle ? ooo do we here that captured Russian VDV soldiers are now fake and they are not Russian paratroopers ? first Russia say about "lost in training" now "they are not our soldiers", probably exKGB already vanished documents of their birth and school graduation like in Stalin time "those people are Ukrainian actors, we do not know who they are, there are no proofs of birth certificate neither school papers, noone knows them in town they say, there are no neigbors that they claim they know" (only few more unidentified graves on syberia of anyone who knew those soldiers) like in USSR Edited August 30, 2014 by vilas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spooky lynx 73 Posted August 30, 2014 Chechen Batalion Vostok - somehow they found in Ukraine with arms and vehicles in May, miracle ? How could batallion that had been disbanded at 8.11.2008 appear in Ukraine in 2014?;) Time machine? Or another dumb propaganda piece made by totally incompetent people who even aren't able to read wiki article about things they want to post? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted August 30, 2014 propaganda? there were a lot of movies of those Chechens on BTR80 in Ukraine there were movies of their parade, movies how people give them flowers and etc. they had armored vehicles , they not came on bicycle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oxmox 73 Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Come on, how can you believe such BS, Spooky ? Instead of caravans they take armored vehicles and tanks while on vacations ? That's amazing how you can swallow such fairy tales.... The joke is and what I wonder about, not even the international OSCE (OSZE) observer can provide any evidence about regular russian troops in the Ukraine and they are on the site in the Ukraine. At least this was reported in the last days and today. NATO want to send a 10000 men Reaction Force Britain and six other states are to create a new joint expeditionary force of at least 10,000 personnel to bolster Nato’s power in response to Russian aggression in Ukraine. The aim is to create a fully functioning, division-sized force for rapid deployment and regular, frequent exercises. Officials involved in the planning say it will have the capacity to increase significantly in size. The force will incorporate air and naval units as well as ground troops and will be led by British commanders, with other participating nations contributing a range of specialist troops and units. Countries involved at present include Denmark, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Norway and the Netherlands. Canada has also expressed an interest in taking part. “We need to be talking about prepositioning, regular rotation of troops and making it very clear that we do not accept that the eastern Europeans are in some different category of membership of Nato.†The venture will also be a powerful diplomatic tool in cementing relationships with eastern European economics, officials believe. http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/5335d904-2f98-11e4-87d9-00144feabdc0.html Edited August 30, 2014 by oxmox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spooky lynx 73 Posted August 30, 2014 ooo do we here that captured Russian VDV soldiers are now fake and they are not Russian paratroopers ? first Russia say about "lost in training" now "they are not our soldiers", probably exKGB already vanished documents of their birth and school graduation like in Stalin time "those people are Ukrainian actors, we do not know who they are, there are no proofs of birth certificate neither school papers, noone knows them in town they say, there are no neigbors that they claim they know" (only few more unidentified graves on syberia of anyone who knew those soldiers) like in USSR Care to show me official Russian MoD statement admitting that it's truly Russian soldiers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beastcat 14 Posted August 30, 2014 How could batallion that had been disbanded at 8.11.2008 appear in Ukraine in 2014?;) Time machine? Or another dumb propaganda piece made by totally incompetent people who even aren't able to read wiki article about things they want to post? And yet we have chechens fighting under that name. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spooky lynx 73 Posted August 30, 2014 propaganda? there were a lot of movies of those Chechens on BTR80 in Ukraine there were movies of their parade, movies how people give them flowers and etc. they had armored vehicles , they not came on bicycle There were also Ossetians and Abhasians, also with BTRs. What detachments do they represent? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted August 30, 2014 The joke is and what I wonder about, not even the OSCE (OSZE) observer can provide any evidence and they are one the site in the Ukraine. At least this was reported in the last days. Every sufficient evidences are here, coming from Russia or Ukraine, or NATO (just look through this topic, all sources have been provided). Not seing them is the problem. Even Russia recognized it, defending the presence of Russian troops by telling fairy tales about soldiers being on war - vacations or being lost in Ukraine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted August 30, 2014 Care to show me official Russian MoD statement admitting that it's truly Russian soldiers? o my god - does it a joke ? after so many Putin lies ... i am speechless that you so believe Russian politicians that you not believe photos you see, but believe only Russian government officials if Russian officials said that KAMAZ truck is KRAZ and AK74M is M16 you would believe it ... sad what happened to Russians , zero criticism , zero ii know what was happening in communism - people were disappearing with all documentation around and neighbors who knew them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted August 30, 2014 Care to show me official Russian MoD statement admitting that it's truly Russian soldiers? I will show you something better, Putin himself in the main Kremlin's media: ( RIA Novosti ) Ukraine Ready to Return Detained Russian Paratroopers – Putin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oxmox 73 Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Every sufficient evidences are here, coming from Russia or Ukraine, or NATO (just look through this topic, all sources have been provided). Not seing them is the problem. Even Russia recognized it, defending the presence of Russian troops by telling fairy tales about soldiers being on war - vacations or being lost in Ukraine. The OSCE has only proof that several volunteers do fight with the seperatatists but no regular russian troops. This was reported today. There are volunteers from other countries participating with the Ukranian Army aswell by the way. http://www.n-tv.de/politik/OSZE-Kein-Beweis-fuer-russischen-Einmarsch-article13514641.html http://www.mdr.de/mdr-aktuell/ukraine-krise100_zc-36d200d6_zs-046016ee.html http://www.stern.de/politik/osze-kein-beleg-fuer-einsatz-regulaerer-russischer-truppen-2134408.html http://kurier.at/politik/ausland/ukraine-krise-osze-kein-beleg-fuer-einsatz-russischer-truppen/82.366.361 http://www.faz.net/agenturmeldungen/adhoc/ukraine-gesamt-roundup-verbaler-schlagabtausch-eu-will-neue-sanktionen-13125778.html http://www.shz.de/nachrichten/deutschland-welt/osze-kein-beleg-fuer-einsatz-regulaerer-russischer-truppen-id7535351.html http://www.osce.org/ukrainemonitoring Edited August 30, 2014 by oxmox Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonci87 163 Posted August 30, 2014 Oopsy, seems Spooky was wrong again. Seriously dude, don´t take everything for granted that you see/hear on Russian TV/Internet..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted August 30, 2014 i really start to believe they must have some kind of brainwashing subliminal techniq in their tv i do not have TV, i do not watch TV i am able to criticize my media, they ... 84% support and believe in biggest lies visible for anyone outside Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
