Iraq strike 'would open hell's gates'

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 10 2002,15:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Now if Saddam had said something like that, wouldn't it be considered a terrorist threat?<span id='postcolor'>

Ofcourse, currently world politics is one giant double standard. Hopefully we see some change after this great war. Like ran, I would like to see a peacefull world finally, but apparently too many people want to show off, take over, rule, etc.

[ran 0]

it' decided , i'll sleep as long as the world won't be peacefull .......

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Sep. 10 2002,21:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 10 2002,21:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Here is somthing interesting I found on CNN:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Meanwhile, the Bush administration is taking no chances Iraqi President Saddam Hussein might misread U.S. intentions. U.S. officials have informed the Senate Intelligence Committee of a warning formally conveyed recently to Baghdad. The chairman of that panel, Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, told me: "Our belief is that Saddam Hussein fully understands that if he were to use a weapon of mass destruction, that it would result in the annihilation not only of him but of much of his society."

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Now if Saddam had said something like that, wouldn't it be considered a terrorist threat?<span id='postcolor'>

THIS is sick ....... ooooh god ....

-edit- denoir , where's my depression thread , you know ,  the one where i distrust totally the human kind ?<span id='postcolor'>

Don't be depressed ran. I mean the worst thing that can happen is that you will be forced against your will and your country's will to participate in killng of Iraqi civilians with the ultimate goal to make W. happy.

[ran 0]

9--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 10 2002,229)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Sep. 10 2002,21:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 10 2002,21:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Here is somthing interesting I found on CNN:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Meanwhile, the Bush administration is taking no chances Iraqi President Saddam Hussein might misread U.S. intentions. U.S. officials have informed the Senate Intelligence Committee of a warning formally conveyed recently to Baghdad. The chairman of that panel, Sen. Bob Graham of Florida, told me: "Our belief is that Saddam Hussein fully understands that if he were to use a weapon of mass destruction, that it would result in the annihilation not only of him but of much of his society."

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Original article

Now if Saddam had said something like that, wouldn't it be considered a terrorist threat?<span id='postcolor'>

THIS is sick ....... ooooh god ....

-edit- denoir , where's my depression thread , you know ,  the one where i distrust totally the human kind ?<span id='postcolor'>

Don't be depressed ran. I mean the worst thing that can happen is that you will be forced against your will and your country's will to participate in killng of Iraqi civilians with the ultimate goal to make W. happy.  <span id='postcolor'>

lol ... you don't get it ....... i'm specialised EOD engineer ...... I AM A FUCKING EOD

THE UNEXPLODED YANK'S BOMBS WOULD BE FOR ME

my mission is to"secure the advance and civilian populated perimeters from every explosive threat and to inform the local population of the risks of the unexploded explosives"

you see , it's sooooooooo fucking easy to remove a fucking detonating fuze from an mk82 planted in the ground .......

i simply hope that chirac won't do the mistake of joining the fight , i'm a simple corporal , i got a lot more rank to get in the military , and i'd like to have children and so .....

and i HATE the fact that i am "Mister Explosives" of my compagny

a friend of mine explained me the problems in afghanistan during the droppings of alimentary rations ... yellow colors .. cluster bombs etc etc ......

[ran 0]

bbbbaaaaahhhhhhhh fuck it ..........

with a little bit of luck , maybe i'llparticipate to patrols or stuffs like that if i ever go there ........

[Longinius 1]

To put some perspective, and humor, into the debate I can gladly tell you that one of the most popular movies in Kandahar at the moment is "Invasion USA" with Chuck Norris! : )

A tad behind the times maybe...

Saw this in a documentary by a TV team and an American / Afghan woman who went back there fairly recently.

They paid 700 dollars to get into the country, then 50 dollars / night and guard at the local Rent-A-Merc warlord camp. Quite interesting program...

[bn880 5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Sep. 10 2002,16:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">lol ... you don't get it ....... i'm specialised EOD engineer ...... I AM A FUCKING EOD

THE UNEXPLODED YANK'S BOMBS WOULD BE FOR ME

my mission is to"secure the advance and civilian populated perimeters from every explosive threat and to inform the local population of the risks of the unexploded explosives"

you see , it's sooooooooo fucking easy to remove a fucking detonating fuze from an mk82 planted in the ground .......

i simply hope that chirac won't do the mistake of joining the fight , i'm a simple corporal , i got a lot more rank to get in the military , and i'd like to have children and so .....

and i HATE the fact that i am "Mister Explosives" of my compagny

a friend of mine explained me the problems in afghanistan during the droppings of alimentary rations ... yellow colors .. cluster bombs etc etc ......<span id='postcolor'>

How is it that you are in EOD then, were you forced?

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

I hope Ran never gets children, just imagine this forum full of Rans and Junior-Rans and Junior-Junior Rans. Damn that must be like playing Lemings

[Sam Samson 0]

this thread is a snakepit!

I'll tell my psychologist buddies!

they'll have a ball with this...

[billytran 0]

The guy that compiled the report on Afghan Civilian casualties didn't post his methods of research. I did a search for his name and came up with this article in which he says that he relied on Indian, Pakistani, and Afghan Islamic Press newspapers. I really don't think that's very reliable information.

Even if civilians were killed, its the Taliban's fault for using them as human shields.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (billytran @ Sep. 10 2002,23:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Even if civilians were killed, its the Taliban's fault for using them as human shields.<span id='postcolor'>

I want you to have the guts to go up to the victims families and tell that in their face.

I would put your life expectancy at about 10s after saying that.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ Sep. 11 2002,00:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (billytran @ Sep. 10 2002,23:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Even if civilians were killed, its the Taliban's fault for using them as human shields.<span id='postcolor'>

I want you to have the guts to go up to the victims families and tell that in their face.

I would put your life expectancy at about 10s after saying that.<span id='postcolor'>

Those people don't have any love for the Taliban, They would be the first to say Afganistan has been done a favor.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Ahem. New release from Afghanistans film industry: My Big Fat Blown Up Afghani Wedding.

[billytran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ Sep. 11 2002,00:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (billytran @ Sep. 10 2002,23:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Even if civilians were killed, its the Taliban's fault for using them as human shields.<span id='postcolor'>

I want you to have the guts to go up to the victims families and tell that in their face.

I would put your life expectancy at about 10s after saying that.<span id='postcolor'>

It's the Taliban's fault, not ours. How can you blame the American military for bombing huge clusters of Taliban troops?

[Die Alive 0]

<span style='font-size:17pt;line-height:100%'>Iraq Strike "Would Open Hell's Gates"</span>

-=Die Alive=-

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (billytran @ Sep. 11 2002,00:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ Sep. 11 2002,000)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (billytran @ Sep. 10 2002,23:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Even if civilians were killed, its the Taliban's fault for using them as human shields.<span id='postcolor'>

I want you to have the guts to go up to the victims families and tell that in their face.

I would put your life expectancy at about 10s after saying that.<span id='postcolor'>

It's the Taliban's fault, not ours.  How can you blame the American military for bombing huge clusters of Taliban troops?<span id='postcolor'>

The Taliban didn't throw the bombs, the US did.

This is what the relatives of the victims know, their loved ones were killed by a US bomb, dropped from a US warplane.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ Sep. 11 2002,00:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">6--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (billytran @ Sep. 11 2002,006)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ Sep. 11 2002,00<!--emo&)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (billytran @ Sep. 10 2002,23:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Even if civilians were killed, its the Taliban's fault for using them as human shields.<span id='postcolor'>

I want you to have the guts to go up to the victims families and tell that in their face.

I would put your life expectancy at about 10s after saying that.<span id='postcolor'>

It's the Taliban's fault, not ours.  How can you blame the American military for bombing huge clusters of Taliban troops?<span id='postcolor'>

The Taliban didn't throw the bombs, the US did.

This is what the relatives of the victims know, their loved ones were killed by a US bomb, dropped from a US warplane.<span id='postcolor'>

Afganistan was brutalised by the Taliban, the people as a whole are glad they are gone. Under your logic we shouldn't have opposed Hitler in case a civillian died.

[Longinius 1]

"It's the Taliban's fault, not ours. How can you blame the American military for bombing huge clusters of Taliban troops?"

The problem is that it was not only huge clusters of Taliban troops that were targeted. Civilian farms, villages and vehicle convoys were also blown up. No Taliban in the area, scores of women and children killed.

"Afganistan was brutalised by the Taliban, the people as a whole are glad they are gone. Under your logic we shouldn't have opposed Hitler in case a civillian died."

Yes, they are glad the Taliban are gone. But I dont think they are to fond of the way it was done. I doubt most of them agree with "the end justifies the means". However, it is easy for you to say that it does. You are not the one who lost a spouse, children and loads of family and friends.

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

It was something, sadly, that ghoes with war. Nobody did thsi on prurpose, and do you think the U.S. is the only ones to kile civilians? Well they are not.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Sep. 11 2002,00:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Afganistan was brutalised by the Taliban, the people as a whole are glad they are gone. Under your logic we shouldn't have opposed Hitler in case a civillian died."

Yes, they are glad the Taliban are gone. But I dont think they are to fond of the way it was done. I doubt most of them agree with "the end justifies the means". However, it is easy for you to say that it does. You are not the one who lost a spouse, children and loads of family and friends.<span id='postcolor'>

Well thats war, It is never pretty, but it is frequently neccessary.

[Longinius 1]

"It was something, sadly, that ghoes with war. Nobody did thsi on prurpose,"

I doubt you care if it was on purpose or not when you actually have to live through it. Besides, what do you suppose will happen when you shoot up buildings with women and children? Unless you have magic bullets, you are gonna kill anything and everything if you shoot long enough...

"and do you think the U.S. is the only ones to kile civilians? Well they are not."

No, of course not. But we are debating the US now, since noone else bombed Afghanistan this time around.

[Die Alive 0]

Tell me, how many boys went to school when the Taliban had power?  How many girls went to school?  What percentage of Afghans have running water?  How many have access to proper sanitation?  

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Less than a quarter of Afghans have access to safe water and nearly 90% do not have access to proper sanitation.

Most boys do not attend school, and only 3% of girls do, according to the UNDP. <span id='postcolor'> Source

So do you think the Taliban had these causes at the top of their agenda?  Do you think if the US didn't step in that the Taliban would make Afghanistan a nice place to live for it's people?  What did the Taliban know about running a country?

Let the UN and internation aid rebuild this country, then we'll see if the US bombing was worth it.

-=Die Alive=-

[Longinius 1]

"Let the UN and internation aid rebuild this country, then we'll see if the US bombing was worth it."

Why should "we" judge if it was worth it? Shouldnt the Afghan people do that?

[Die Alive 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ Sep. 10 2002,18:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Let the UN and internation aid rebuild this country, then we'll see if the US bombing was worth it."

Why should "we" judge if it was worth it? Shouldnt the Afghan people do that?<span id='postcolor'>

Why don't you ask them yourself.

-=Die Alive=-

[red oct 2]

Ya know something i have just noticed, why is this thread still open? after all it is a MID EAST releated topic! the mods must be sleeping.