America only first on the moon because of foreign help?

[-martin- 10]

Except the US did a lot more than the Soviets. In fact, the Soviet space station and other things were developed BECAUSE the Russians knew they weren't going to be first to land on the moon.

Of course, the US always does the most and everything that takes place has to be a race which the US ultimately wins

Race aside, if we look at this subject as intelligent human beings, independent form political and nationalistic point of views (which are often the biggest obstacle) we can begin to see that both the US and USSR made a lot of progress in space exploration and technology. So what I'm saying is that without the Russians we wouldn't have what we have today and without the Americans we wouldn't have it too, and I think it’s unfair to place one above the other considering the amount of work that was/is being put in to this from both sides and also considering the fact that most of the pioneering US scientists were Nazis and the fact that the US was pretty much untouched after ww2 while the Soviet Union was pretty much on its knees, however still managed to keep up with the US...

Science is not a race, races lead to tragedies. The only thing that interests me in science are the discoveries and how they can help improve our wellbeing not who was first to have a piss on the ISS.

[rangerpl 13]

so how did they renter the atmosphere then!!!!!!!!!!! :p

Earth's gravitational Sphere of Influence extends well beyond the orbit of the moon, as it’s what helps keep the moon where it is or the moon would have gone flying off into space long before life was on earth.

Largest spacecraft crew was Mir + STS-71, as Mir was still in space both before and after STS-71 arrived/left you would have to put Mir first. (was also at the time the largest effective spacecraft by docking the two together) or ISS, Soyuz TMA-14, Soyuz TMA-15, STS-127 with 13 people on 17 July 2009

The largest manned spacecraft is the ISS and NOT the Space Shuttle.

i hardly think e.g. the "First three-man crew" can be held as anything like the first man/woman in space or the first men on the moon etc etc etc etc etc, what next are you going to claim the USA had the first man in space to fart.

The crew of the Lunar Module would dock with the CSM and deorbit/reenter using the capsule. But I assume you already knew this.

Yes, but there is a point where, if you get close enough to the moon, its gravitational field starts to become more influential than that of the Earth. That's what I was getting at. I know the Earth's gravitational field extends much further than that.

By Spacecraft, I was referring to a vehicle that can conduct orbital maneuvers on its own, fly on its own and reenter on its own. Space stations like the ISS are made of separate components, cannot launch/reenter on their own and generally lack the same kind of maneuvering capability.

The last one is fair game; my point is that the US has been consistently launching larger crews than the Russians have.

[Tonci87 163]

I love how such a Thread always becomes a USA vs. the Rest of the world flamewar

[rangerpl 13]

I love how such a Thread always becomes a USA vs. the Rest of the world flamewar

I don't know who's flaming, because I'm certainly not. I just want to correct some misconceptions about the space program.

[-martin- 10]

I don't know who's flaming, because I'm certainly not. I just want to correct some misconceptions about the space program.

"Except the US did a lot more than the Soviets." Indeed :rolleyes:

[Laqueesha 474]

May be an idealist on the issue but I prefer to view it as "Man" having visited the moon, the fact they were from the U.S. is neither here nor there when the cold war macho-ness is taken out of it.

Yanks do good, it's a success for all humankind. Yanks do bad, it's because all Yanks are sodding tossers. :p I joke, I joke. I kid, I kid!

Edited January 17, 2012 by Laqueesha

[eble 3]

which country will be putting Nasa into space for the next 10 years?

You have your answer who sort of won the last part lol.

Space race, was the biggest let down of the 20th Century, they promised everything and delivered nothing in real terms of return value for the money spent.

where the F%^k is my cheap ass space travel, both countries are Farking losers, you robbed me of my space age future, wankers!

[Tonci87 163]

which country will be putting Nasa into space for the next 10 years?

You have your answer who sort of won the last part lol.

Space race, was the biggest let down of the 20th Century, they promised everything and delivered nothing in real terms of return value for the money spent.

where the F%^k is my cheap ass space travel, both countries are Farking losers, you robbed me of my space age future, wankers!

Well thats true.

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

which country will be putting Nasa into space for the next 10 years?

You have your answer who sort of won the last part lol.

Space race, was the biggest let down of the 20th Century, they promised everything and delivered nothing in real terms of return value for the money spent.

where the F%^k is my cheap ass space travel, both countries are Farking losers, you robbed me of my space age future, wankers!

The space race gave us Tang, zero-gravity toilets, and a lot of dead animals. In other words, they gave us everything they promised and more. :D

[[evo] dan 79]

Don't forget the ballpoint pen (whilst the Russians just used a pencil!) for all the left handers out there!

[Tonci87 163]

The Ballpoint Pen was invented by Slavoljub Penkala and has nothing to do with space research

[onlyrazor 11]

whenever i hear this, the following image always comes to mind:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3209/1689520700b.th.jpg

:D

That image is missing "First humans to die in space." The US astronauts died during atmospheric reentry, technically on Earth. Or so I heard. I always get my facts messed up.

[dekster 1]

That image is missing "First humans to die in space." The US astronauts died during atmospheric reentry, technically on Earth. Or so I heard. I always get my facts messed up.

Then you might as well ad "first dog to die in space" at the russian side.

[Nicholas 5]

which country will be putting Nasa into space for the next 10 years?

You have your answer who sort of won the last part lol.

Space race, was the biggest let down of the 20th Century, they promised everything and delivered nothing in real terms of return value for the money spent.

http://www.spacex.com/

The Space X space program has been very exciting the past few years. They've made huge strides in their program and have plans to launch their craft sometime in February to dock with the ISS.

I personally believe that NASA will be relying on them soon, considering the fact that NASA has already organized a mission with them.

[[evo] dan 79]

Not just with them but a few other US companies. I know Virgin Galatic is going start flights next year, or at least thats what the IET magazine said.

[rangerpl 13]

That image is missing "First humans to die in space." The US astronauts died during atmospheric reentry, technically on Earth. Or so I heard. I always get my facts messed up.

That is, in fact, correct. The only humans to die in space are Russians, aboard Soyuz 11.

The Challenger astronauts were at only 14 kilometers while the Columbia astronauts, who died during reentry, were at 64km which is high atmosphere, however at that point the Shuttle was already flying like an aircraft, not a spacecraft.

I don't understand all the anti-US hatred that's being demonstrated here. NASA has achieved unbelievable things such as the Voyager missions and Hubble which have not been matched by anyone. Not even the Russians. The Russians are good at flying "everyday" flights with Soyuz and they've been doing it for nearly fifty years now. Good for them. NASA has accomplished more in terms of pioneering.

I've done quite a bit of reading up on this, guys. I'm a huge space buff.

[Nicholas 5]

Does it really matter who accomplished what first? Jesus christ. Yay! We were the first to die in space!

People die all the time.

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

Dan;2091060']Don't forget the ballpoint pen (whilst the Russians just used a pencil!) for all the left handers out there!

It gave us the Space Pen. The ballpoint pen has been around since the 1800's or something like that.

[[evo] dan 79]

It gave us the Space Pen. The ballpoint pen has been around since the 1800's or something like that.

ah can never remember, but i remeber that joke though :D

[PELHAM 10]

Remind me who was the 1st to take a dump in space? I really would like to know who got there 1st.

[onlyrazor 11]

I think it was George Lucas. It later became known as Star Wars.

Said in jest. Get over it :p

[PELHAM 10]

:D nah Flash Gordon got there in 1936

[STALKERGB 6]

It gave us the Space Pen. The ballpoint pen has been around since the 1800's or something like that.

Out of interest, why did Fisher develop the Space Pen? He hadn't been asked to had he?

[rangerpl 13]

Remind me who was the 1st to take a dump in space? I really would like to know who got there 1st.

Number one to take a number two?

[-martin- 10]

I don't understand all the anti-US hatred that's being demonstrated here. NASA has achieved unbelievable things such as the Voyager missions and Hubble which have not been matched by anyone. Not even the Russians. The Russians are good at flying "everyday" flights with Soyuz and they've been doing it for nearly fifty years now. Good for them. NASA has accomplished more in terms of pioneering.

Well, first of all I don't have anything against Americans, I even lived there for a big chunk of my life, love the country (obviously don't love some of the politics as everyone), I greatly respect NASA's achievements and I don't mean to flame you or anything like that RangerPL, but almost every post from you in this thread seems to imply "US > Russia" :rolleyes:

So I would just like to inform you that there is no "anti-US hatred" being demonstrated here but it may seem like it because people are trying to tell you that all this "US > Russia" and vice versa stuff is a bit silly in a polite way

So let’s get back on topic, which isn’t even about the Russians

Edited January 20, 2012 by -Martin-