Black Cat 10 Posted December 31, 2011 perhaps this?: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/arma2oa2011080815233131.png/ and this:http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=6660&highlight=CDF? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
celery 8 Posted December 31, 2011 (edited) Chernarus is a poor, backwater ex-Soviet autonomous republic. Its military had trouble just to keep the ChDKZ from taking all of South Zagoria until NATO came to its aid - twice. The closest IRL comparison would probably be Georgia, with the scale and resources of Transnistria. Personally I don't think they could manage maintaining specialized branches, nor would they have Western equipment in large scale, even then it would definitely not be the high-end stuff. Edited December 31, 2011 by Celery Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Devil Dogs SF 13 Posted December 31, 2011 ^ True, but giving certain units of the CDF basic western weaponry, such as paras or special forces, could easily be explained as NATO giving the CDF weaponry while the USMC was officially in the country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gossamersolid 155 Posted December 31, 2011 I'm talking like M16A2, M4A1, M249. Nothing too high tech, just western equipment Chernarus is a poor, backwater ex-Soviet autonomous republic. Its military had trouble just to keep the ChDKZ from taking all of South Zagoria until NATO came to its aid - twice. The closest IRL comparison would probably be Georgia, with the scale and resources of Transnistria. Personally I don't think they could manage maintaining specialized branches, nor would they have Western equipment in large scale, even then it would definitely not be the high-end stuff. Right, I did mention that I'm not going for strict realism though. We could change things around saying that this is post red harvest and the ChDKZ are destroyed. Chernarus is now trying to rebuild its army. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
max power 21 Posted December 31, 2011 Should the regular CDF army use mainly western equipment? I would keep the vehicles left over (modified?) soviet and give them quirky personal equipment because small arms restructuring is more plausible as a step toward westernization (to become NATO compatible). I mean, there is a reason they would turn their back on Russian military contracts and support and that would probably be either corruption, or a bid to become part of NATO. I don't think the switch over makes sense from a financial stand-point, because Chernarus isn't going to be winning any world war threes based on its perceived military budget. I don't know what kind of ties it has with its neighbours, but the region doesn't seem to be very resources rich given that Takistan is using T-34s and BTR-40s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigMorgan 11 Posted December 31, 2011 Chernarus is a poor, backwater ex-Soviet autonomous republic. Its military had trouble just to keep the ChDKZ from taking all of South Zagoria until NATO came to its aid - twice. The closest IRL comparison would probably be Georgia, with the scale and resources of Transnistria. Personally I don't think they could manage maintaining specialized branches, nor would they have Western equipment in large scale, even then it would definitely not be the high-end stuff. Well, 3 years after the NATO intervention, perhaps the CDF is still fighting limited pockets of ChDkz and NAPA resistance, with NATO / US support? The American M.I.C. has surplus to spare and little qualms about getting it out to users... if Iraq can buy $10bn in US arms during a coup attempt I think the CDF can afford some M4A1's and some refurb'ed M1A1 Abrams. :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
max power 21 Posted December 31, 2011 Iraq is an oil rich nation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gossamersolid 155 Posted December 31, 2011 Iraq is an oil rich nation. To stop the arguing that's going on between everybody, I'm going to include another section just called Men (2011) that will contain CDF troops armed with older US weapons (M16A2, M4A1, etc). These troops will not overwrite the standard CDF troops. They are fully optional, feel free to not play with them if you don't want to :p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
max power 21 Posted December 31, 2011 What arguing? You asked for opinions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gossamersolid 155 Posted December 31, 2011 What arguing? You asked for opinions. I asked whether or not you guys would want to see western weapons, not whether they could "realistically" afford it or not. Anywho, version 1.01 is out and in the first post: Version 1.01 + Added M1A1 + Added L-39ZA + Added Mi-24V + Added Mi-24P + Added 2011 Troops (Western Equipped) + Restructured PBOs + Signed addons (v2 signatures) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigMorgan 11 Posted December 31, 2011 Chernarus must have some oil, why else would the USA have intervened? :p (Kidding of course) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr_centipede 31 Posted December 31, 2011 Personally, I think they should keep the AK, because they are cheap, and like most CIS states, they are locally produced so that will help their local industries. Even if they acquired to license built m16/m4, I dont think thats going to be cheap... besides, I dont think the US senate would allow it... Just my humble oppinion. But then again, its ArmaVerse... who cares, knock yourself out :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gossamersolid 155 Posted December 31, 2011 Personally, I think they should keep the AK, because they are cheap, and like most CIS states, they are locally produced so that will help their local industries. Even if they acquired to license built m16/m4, I dont think thats going to be cheap... besides, I dont think the US senate would allow it...Just my humble oppinion. But then again, its ArmaVerse... who cares, knock yourself out :D They are keeping the AKs for their regular troops. I've just included an additional category that you can grab the western equipped troops. Feel free to not use them if you don't want it, but if you do, they are there to use :p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr_centipede 31 Posted December 31, 2011 Oh yes... I would certainly use it... its ArmaVerse... let your imagination runs wild :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gossamersolid 155 Posted December 31, 2011 Oh yes... I would certainly use it... its ArmaVerse... let your imagination runs wild :) Download version 1.01 and have fun then :) http://thegamewardens.net/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=50 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
max power 21 Posted December 31, 2011 I asked whether or not you guys would want to see western weapons, not whether they could "realistically" afford it or not. You didn't answer my question :p I didn't see any arguing going on there. So if you don't need a reason for a suggestion, and aren't inclined to let people discuss their ideas, I think that the CDF should have T-800 terminators and the SST from Jonny Quest... because I feel like it. But no western equipment, because I don't feel like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gossamersolid 155 Posted December 31, 2011 You didn't answer my question :p I didn't see any arguing going on there.So if you don't need a reason for a suggestion, and aren't inclined to let people discuss their ideas, I think that the CDF should have T-800 terminators and the SST from Jonny Quest... because I feel like it. But no western equipment, because I don't feel like it. Oh no, people can feel free to discuss possible equipment/vehicles/small arms all they want. I'm just saying that the original question was "Do you want western equipment". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
max power 21 Posted December 31, 2011 So, Big Morgan and I both gave you our opinions... still not sure what the problem is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gossamersolid 155 Posted December 31, 2011 I'm not sure if you misread my tone, there's no issues here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
max power 21 Posted December 31, 2011 You asked people whether there should be western equipment, then after 3 posts which included 2 replies and 1 reply to a reply (a total of two conversants and two opinions), put up a post to stop the arguing between everyone. Not sure what you're doing, Gossamer.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gossamersolid 155 Posted December 31, 2011 You asked people whether there should be western equipment, then after 3 posts which included 2 replies and 1 reply to a reply (a total of two conversants and two opinions), put up a post to stop the arguing between everyone. Not sure what you're doing, Gossamer.... It was in a light tone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
celery 8 Posted December 31, 2011 I'm just saying that the original question was "Do you want western equipment". I think we did answer that in the form of rationalizing why we think so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doombunny 1 Posted December 31, 2011 CDF with older western equipment could be quite fun actually. Stuff like Hueys, M16, M113, M60, maybe even a Nam era Cobra. The sort of stuff the US would sell off due to it being mostly obsolete. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pingvin99 10 Posted December 31, 2011 CDF with older western equipment could be quite fun actually. Stuff like Hueys, M16, M113, M60, maybe even a Nam era Cobra. The sort of stuff the US would sell off due to it being mostly obsolete. Damn right! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Cat 10 Posted December 31, 2011 perhaps obsolete MI-24As or First generation MI-28s, doombunny: you're in luck, theirs both a CDF UH-1H and a M113 out there, let me see if I can find the link, EDIT:http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=11698&highlight=CDF%2BHUEY can't seem to find the M113 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
