War with Facebook

[maddogx 13]

... with more and more up coming generations wired to it from the hand held wifi devices who knew nothing else than it being all around in their lives.

This is the key point, I think. Smartphones are making Facebook virtually ubiquitous, since you no longer need to consciously sit down in front of a computer to access it. Nowadays you just tap an app on your phone and it's there, practically begging people to tell it where they are, who they're with and what they're doing. I had a facebook account with virtually nothing on it, up until I got around to getting a smartphone a couple of months ago. After that I basically got dragged into it. I still hardly post anything (perhaps once every few weeks - even my mum posts more than me), but reading what other people are up to can be quite entertaining.

With some people it's pretty frightening though. Since my little sister (18) got her smart phone, she's making something like 20-30 Facebook posts a day, including some pretty personal stuff I couldn't imagine ever broadcasting to the world. I hate to think what it might be like in 10-15 years, when a whole generation that has grown up with Facebook thinks that posting your entire private life on the internet is just another part of everyday life.

[mrcash2009 0]

I agree, Truman Show wasn't made for just a film for fun, it had a point, its best to re watch that film again but replace life with social (engineering) networks.

Then think what you can get from data mining all this real-time information with coordinates and ways to track.

People cry out tin foil hat and silly things when people ever utter micro chipping a population, but, would it be needed if people are willingly wandering around in real-time transmitting everything to an on-line database without lifting much of a finger to get them to do it via hand held devices strapped to them every hour of the day?

Put it that way and you get shot down in flames, but marketing works wonders, we must uphold our "lifestyles" :)

Edited September 30, 2011 by mrcash2009

[Herbal Influence 10]

Here you can see what happens if you ask for the data that facebook stored about you (that's a right in the EU to do so). It's also available in German language here.

And my personal opinion on facebook is:

facebook is not only violating EU law, it's dangerous for democracy. Why? Because it makes people silent. Why? Because people lose their courage when they don't know what other mighty organisations know about them. They do no more dare to speak up. Silence. What silence? The very silence you can observe with that politician or manager you really would like to open his mouth. That's the story. Silence.

facebook wants us to believe the Arabellion shows its good for society. That's wrong. The Arabellion would have taken place without facebook. But many people that tried to start the Arabellion before and now in China and Syria and Iran using social networks have been tortured and killed because it was so easy for the "threatened dictators" to find out who thinks what and who plans what. Secret services USE facebook. They are no dumb assholes. And they would be if they wouldn't use facebook and other "social" networks .... Zuckerberg: "These idiots, they trust me ... "

facebook is not a problem if you only want to scare hedgehoggs in your private garden or play cops & robbers with BIS-games, but as soon as you want to "open up your mouths" people hesitate. They hesitate to fight for their basic rights.

Everybody with brain hesitates.

You always ask yourself: May this harm me? May someone use information about me against me. You do this if you are going to ask your neighbour to repair his dangerous car, roof or his way of playing with weapons in the backyard or just to control his behaviour.

And now politicians and managers hesitate a lot to tell facebook (but also Google) that they are violating peoples rights.

And no, it's not about leaving facebook alone, opt-out ... it's following you on quite every page on the internet. And it collects a lot from non-members ... without informing or even asking. And if we are in a status now that even our "decision makers", our leaders, already shut-up, we are done.

Edited September 30, 2011 by Herbal Influence
spellink .. ;-)

[Frostburg 10]

While many MANY people are angry at facebook because

of the fact that they violate people's privacy and virtually force

people to disclose information about themselves, MOST

young people naively are fans of facebook and do not

see a problem with it.

But like I said above, since soo many people are against it

I think it will not be long before someone else comes out

with a new social networking site that compares to facebook

only without the blatant privacy invasions.

Facebook will piss enough people off that once someone comes

out with something that is not as invasive and easier to use many

people will switch.

I would not be surprised if there were some innovative computer

geeks out there designing a new social networking site to rival

facebook.

If someone does come out with one that would allow people to

use pseudonyms, post pictures, PM their friends, have status

updates, and have birthday announcements without all the

b.s. of facebook, I would join it in a heartbeat and delete

my facebook account.

Competition could be a very good thing in this regard.

Mark Zuckerburg would shit himself if that happened, or

threaten to sue. I would like to see that.

[gammadust 12]

At the end of the day, if you don't want people to have your information then don't give it. If you don't want facebook to have your phone number or address, then don't give it.

The problem gets more complex: by FB developers own admission (I am sorry I can't find the quote) the software is able to derive even information which you don't explicitly publish.

He was complaining about despite having been careful not letting facebook store what his own son birthday was, to his suprise, that information came up latter on in some feed. I have experienced this type of occurence too.

And you don't need to think too much how this comes about:

As soon as your ID (or any other alias) is correlated with a circle of friends (close or distant) there is nothing stoping them from mindlessly injecting information in FB database without you being able to counter it in any way before the fact.

Facebook is a cancer, needs to be excized.

...

But like I said above, since soo many people are against it

I think it will not be long before someone else comes out

with a new social networking site that compares to facebook

only without the blatant privacy invasions.

...

That reminds me of Diaspora where personal information is hosted by you. But I have to do a disclaimer though since I haven't properly scrutinized it. (the good thing is that you can since it is open source)

All in all, it is, on the other hand, too much of a hassle, and the whole point of a social network is to connect with others... it will be difficult to invite anyone to another less pervasive network, since innerently there is less social value in it.

Edited September 30, 2011 by gammadust

[mrcash2009 0]

there is nothing stopping them from mindlessly injecting information in FB database without you being able to counter it in any way before the fact.

The amount of times ive been out and been conveniently away when photos have been taken with friends, or ive actually said, "dont put this on-line with me in it thanks" (the looks you get are priceless, mainly glazed over).

Because I know that the following day it will be plastered over someone's on-line FB page shared with god knows who where I simple dont want it to be with tag line "we went out to X locations at X time and look who was here .. *add names*".

You should try it, and watch the reactions you get, mainly "your paranoid" and "what's the problem, your weird" ... its very funny.

The old chestnut comes out "nothing to hide nothing to worry about" crap arrives soon enough too, "what are you hiding then?" ... utter face palm moments. The mind game of, if your not transparent like everyone else (unwittingly steered that way in reality) with their information you must be hiding something or wierd, a classic, and used so well these days, or should I say for the last 10 years *cough*.

The reality is .. I like having fun pictures taken, but I dont want people I will never meet to see them outside of my circle of friends on shitty facebook thanks allot.

The funniest thing I said to one of my friends when we were having group photos is "I opt out" ... oh the looks were a gem. :)

Later it will be the majority that will think people are odd if they are not whoring their data to all four corners on-line like them, which is not a good thing at all.

Edited September 30, 2011 by mrcash2009

[gammadust 12]

Yeah... its great fun collecting peoples reaction to what they can only perceive has a nutjob. I've been doing this since hotmail's MSN.

This comes to the other issue that you mentioned:

... with more and more up coming generations wired to it from the hand held wifi devices who knew nothing else than it being all around in their lives.

The "opt-out" attitude is being more and more stigmatized. But just because of that I am not one to jump into the bandwagon. I'll keep doing my best to inform and alert for the real issue at hand not being "having something to hide".

[NeMeSiS 11]

The amount of times ive been out and been conveniently away when photos have been taken with friends, or ive actually said, "dont put this on-line with me in it thanks" (the looks you get are priceless, mainly glazed over).

Because I know that the following day it will be plastered over someone's on-line FB page shared with god knows who where I simple dont want it to be with tag line "we went out to X locations at X time and look who was here .. *add names*".

You should try it, and watch the reactions you get, mainly "your paranoid" and "what's the problem, your weird" ... its very funny.

The old chestnut comes out "nothing to hide nothing to worry about" crap arrives soon enough too, "what are you hiding then?" ... utter face palm moments. The mind game of, if your not transparent like everyone else (unwittingly steered that way in reality) with their information you must be hiding something or wierd, a classic, and used so well these days, or should I say for the last 10 years *cough*.

The reality is .. I like having fun pictures taken, but I dont want people I will never meet to see them outside of my circle of friends on shitty facebook thanks allot.

The funniest thing I said to one of my friends when we were having group photos is "I opt out" ... oh the looks were a gem. :)

Later it will be the majority that will think people are odd if they are not whoring their data to all four corners on-line like them, which is not a good thing at all.

I fixed that by just lying to FB about my last name, i just took the first 3 letters instead of the whole word. Also, dont add your boss/anyone outside your circle of friends on FB. :p

[st_dux 26]

You should try it, and watch the reactions you get, mainly "your paranoid" and "what's the problem, your weird" ... its very funny.

Well that's probably because you are paranoid. In all seriousness, what are you afraid of happening if someone finds a picture of you hanging out with some friends on the internet? Really, what worries you about that? I am honestly curious.

[mrcash2009 0]

Well that's probably because you are paranoid. In all seriousness, what are you afraid of happening if someone finds a picture of you hanging out with some friends on the internet? Really, what worries you about that? I am honestly curious.

Did I suggest that I was "afraid"? Did I say it "worried" me about a picture of me on the internet, did I say I was paranoid? No. I said that when I have pictures I dont want them on-line to people I do not know out of general principle (not knowing how far that spreads), do you take your pictures and hand them out in the street?

That being my point, you mention I must be paranoid and automatically use "afraid" & "Worried" ... pissed off and annoyed of shitty face-book .. yes :)

My point also is this "I must put all these pictures on-line right away now I have them" reflex action too, as if having pictures you can enjoy and laugh at with friends in the physical world is somehow really odd and it must go through a database and on-line as a set thing. Certain friends and such I know are like this and they are the ones where I "need the loo" when the digital camera comes out to play :)

I was also posting my point ref what I quoted about no consent on your info getting to facebook through a 3rd party even if your not on it.

Also bear in mind I know how to use PC and security and such, many of these friends aren't that genned up and I have no knowledge of their privacy setting/use on-line either. Ive been over thier houses and seen the lack of security and non updated O/S's when asked to "do a bit of I.T" for them.

Plus unless you missed the point of the thread, this is going through Facebook and enough has been said here about that.

But just because of that I am not one to jump into the bandwagon.

Bandwagon is the word for sure. Edited September 30, 2011 by mrcash2009

[st_dux 26]

OK, you're not afraid. So why do you care? What difference does it make if someone you don't know sees a picture of you on the internet?

[Tonci87 163]

It could be your future boss looking at a picture where you were extremelly drunk

[Frostburg 10]

It could be your future boss looking at a picture where you were extremelly drunk

Or not just drunk, but nude, bound with ropes, and with a ball-gag in your

mouth. Ah to reminisce. These things really can ruin your job prospects man.

[st_dux 26]

It could be your future boss looking at a picture where you were extremelly drunk

Well things like that I can understand, but I was under the impression that mrcash was talking about typical group photos and the like with nothing incriminating going on. In this case, I don't see the problem.

[Q1184 0]

Well things like that I can understand, but I was under the impression that mrcash was talking about typical group photos and the like with nothing incriminating going on. In this case, I don't see the problem.

Is it so strange that one should feel uncomfortable knowing his pictures taken in a private environment are near-instantly made available to everyone in the world willing to look? How about someone's notes on what you do or how you feel about something?

But the fact is, with the technical progress, more and more of our activities are being registered somewhere beyond our will, be it CCTV or a search engine requests log. FB is just another way this tendency manifests, this time with people willingly making pieces of their (and not only) lives public. The uncontrolled footprint of every person tends to increase, making individual or group profiling much easier, for better or for worse. Sure looks handy in cop shows.

[mrcash2009 0]

Well things like that I can understand, but I was under the impression that mrcash was talking about typical group photos and the like with nothing incriminating going on. In this case, I don't see the problem.

I was talking about photos no matter that they are being upped to a place I dont want them without my consent on principle, and that being face book and all it stands for.

OK, you're not afraid. So why do you care? What difference does it make if someone you don't know sees a picture of you on the internet?

If you cant honestly see an issue then that's up to you and fair enough, but you then also miss the point of this thread, its the engine behind where the photos reside ... its been explained well enough already.

I dont want anything on face book, I dont like it and its been explained clear enough in this thread, and thus I dont want to have photos taken with people I know that cant simply enjoy photos off-line and HAVE to put them on-line and specifically face book, thus meaning I get on face book when i dont want to. Basicly anyone I come in contact with who is a facebook user and has a digital camera I avoid "the shot" :)

Some people aren't a fan of that way of doing things, but a classic example is your post which is "if its not incriminating what's the problem?" which is exactly my point a few posts back about "nothing to hide nothing to worry about" mentality .. in fact you actually proved my point :)

Another way of putting it is, if your ok with that then why not give me or a friend some of your family pics and private pics with friends so they can print them out, then go into the city and hand them out to anyone with your name on them and more information you are not privvy too, something tells me people wouldn't like that, but why not? Your not doing anything incriminating in them so why cant I pass them out without you knowing who, what's your problem? How paranoid and weird of you to have an issue with that ...

You also miss the point about that fact its nothing to do with "the picture" or "me in a picture" its about this reflex action and need to share this all on-line into face book every bloody time, so if I know thats where its going to end up I "opt out" the only way I know which is not to be in the picture :)

The mentality now is everything should be shoved on-line by default and if you dont like it then your weird or paranoid .. and that is "worrying".

Its still funny to see the reactions you get, people should try it just to see how sucked in folk are with facebook. Ive had people get funny with me about this issue, so im now in a time where a social networking single website is a cause of an issue or argument in the real world, dear me.

For the record that way of thinking of late is called Conditioning (and no I dont mean hair products).

Edited October 1, 2011 by mrcash2009

[st_dux 26]

If you cant honestly see an issue then that's up to you and fair enough, but you then also miss the point of this thread, its the engine behind where the photos reside ... its been explained well enough already.

I dont want anything on face book, I dont like it and its been explained clear enough in this thread, and thus I dont want to have photos taken with people I know that cant simply enjoy photos off-line and HAVE to put them on-line and specifically face book, thus meaning I get on face book when i dont want to. Basicly anyone I come in contact with who is a facebook user and has a digital camera I avoid "the shot" :)

You don't like stuff being on FB; I get that part already. My question, which you don't seem to want to answer, is: Why? What is the reason? If it's a principle thing, could you explain why you hold such a principle? I was assuming it wasn't just an arbitrary choice, but it's starting to sound more and more like that's exactly what it is.

Another way of putting it is, if your ok with that then why not give me or a friend some of your family pics and private pics with friends so they can print them out, then go into the city and hand them out to anyone with your name on them and more information you are not privvy too, something tells me people wouldn't like that, but why not? Your not doing anything incriminating in them so why cant I pass them out without you knowing who, what's your problem? How paranoid and weird of you to have an issue with that ...

That's a silly example, but I'll play along. You could take any picture of me that exists somewhere on the internet, and there are hundreds of them, and do just that. I think you'd end up with a lot of confused looks and practically no interest in the photos, but it wouldn't bother me if a bunch of random people saw some random pictures of me. It wouldn't make any difference to me at all. Why should it? Am I supposed to not want people to know who I am or what I look like?

The mentality now is everything should be shoved on-line by default and if you dont like it then your weird or paranoid .. and that is "worrying".

Q1184 echoed similar sentiments, but I don't understand why it's worrying. The internet allows us to share our lives with other people more efficiently than ever before. How is this a bad thing? Humans are by nature a social species, after all. And please don't come back with some "looks like you've been conditioned" nonsense. I just don't see the negative when it comes to people sharing information about themselves freely and easily. Why should we want to live in secrecy? If you've got a valid reason that explains how group photos from last night's outing being distributed on the internet causes harm, I'd love to hear it. So far all I'm reading is "it's worrying because it's never been that way before," and that's not a very good reason.

[mrcash2009 0]

Fair points ST_Dux but I think at this stage if you dont get what I said when I have explain it through this thread and others and the nature of this threads existence (the OFP) then maybe you wouldn't get it, and wont get that point either way and so be it.

I have explained pretty clear the bit you seem to not see, cant explain it any clearer really, I guess one mans reasons is another mans bafflement and all that :) I wouldn't expect everyone to agree on it, and sure wouldn't expect avid facebook users and photo sharers to ever get it (not that you are of course just talking generally).

You still speak in terms of the pictures and what they contain and again miss the fact of no control on a picture once its taken and shoved online through "facebook", but, anyway ... we would go on forever I think. If people want to do their thing on facebook with their lives and photo's, crack on, I dont want part of it, but when a photo with me goes into that place I never asked for it <<< thats the point.

Although the Irony is pretty good though for this thread ;)

Hint: this is a facebook thread not entire internet thread.

Edited October 1, 2011 by mrcash2009

[Frostburg 10]

Well, like I said earlier...

I have several issues with facebook.

I don't like the fact that they try to implement features in order to expose every detail of their users' lives in order to make a profit by providing

info to their marketers.

I also don't like how complicated they are making features

such as simply posting updates.

Not only that, most of the people I know don't even know

what those features mean. It is ridiculous.

Lately I have been trying to get back on myspace but

myspace has not been running properly on my computer.

I don't know if it is an internet problem at my university or

just a problem with myspace itself.

I don't know if myspace has the same privacy invasion issues

and complicatedness that I mentioned as some of my facebook

gripes.

Who knows.

Anyways, facebook isn't terrible. It still gets the job done

in terms of staying in touch with friends who live far away and

can't get ahold of via phone.

I will probably keep using it for that reason alone unless something

else comes out that can rival facebook in terms of users/basic features, and doesn't have the issues I mentioned.

I just wish the management at facebook eventually decides

to make things more user friendly and not trick people into

sharing things that they normally would not want to.

Infact today I noticed an ad for a veterans network on

my facebook page. It stated that it was a good way for

vets to get in touch with previous military members that they

once knew.

I clicked on it and it stated that they wanted to look at

all my friends on my friend list, and pretty much everything

I have done on facebook.

I clicked "cancel" convinced that it was just another ploy

to get access to people's personal info.

Some people are soo slimy. Man, I would love

to find out who these people are who try to scam

people.

It's just like any other internet scam that dupes countless

idiots. Their targets may be idiots or just gullible or naive, however

that does not make it wrong.

If I knew the people who made these scams, I would definitely

give them a taste of their own medicine.

[Bulldog Six 10]

Update:

Facebook tracks you even after you've logged out

There is a saying:

"Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not coming for you."

Reading through some of the posts it is obvious that some here either can't grasp the power of information - or won't admit it.

If you think facebook is gathering information for the benefit of you (i.e. to provide you with products of your interest), you're wrong.

If you think the great number of active users is a weakness of facebook by which you can "hide in the crowd", you're wrong.

If you think giving a fake name is enough to stay anonymous, you're wrong.

You ARE the product.

Your data IS being profiled automatically (yes, there are scripts and algorithms written for that).

Your I.P. IS logged. Your profile data IS accessible to law enforcement & press when necessary.

A common example about how your data can be used against you is when you are looking for a job. Smart(ass) employers will google your name & check your profile and ask you questions in an interview (based on the data you provide) which will make you blush. The information you provide in facebook may result in you losing your leverage and credibility when negotiating your salary (IF you make it to that junction, that is).

That is just one example.

Another would be what law enforcement can do with your data. Should you ever get in trouble with the (in)justice department, your data may be used against you. The press is also able to frame you based on your profile. A known example would be Anna Chapman, a russian sleeper.

"As part of her cover, she (Anna Chapman) published her resume on LinkedIn and maintained a Facebook account, which featured her dabbling in glamour modeling, leading the press to caricature her as the ring's femme fatale."

What I'm trying to teach you is: there's many ways to use your facebook data against you. Protect yourself and avoid it entirely if it's not too late.

Edited October 8, 2011 by Bulldog Six

[[aps]gnat 28]

A common example about how your data can be used against you is when you are looking for a job. Smart(ass) employers will google your name & check your profile and ask you questions in an interview (based on the data you provide) which will make you blush. The information you provide in facebook may result in you losing your leverage and credibility when negotiating your salary (IF you make it to that junction, that is).

Smart-arse employers? LOL ..... no, dumb arse users FFS ! :p

- If your stupid enough to take a sick day (another one) then post pics of your (weeknight) on the town ..... dumbarse

- If your applying for a job and leaving stupid updates and bad mouthing all your workmates and bosses ..... dumbarse

Employers (yeh, like me) aren't stupid or behind the times. Just because you people can use social media doesn't mean we can't !

..... oh, btw, recruiting agencies also check you out ..... if you turn out to be a flake in social media, they won't waste much effort on placing you .... because they known most employers can research too ;)

Edited October 8, 2011 by [APS]Gnat

[Frostburg 10]

Update:

Facebook tracks you even after you've logged out

There is a saying:

"Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not coming for you."

Reading through some of the posts it is obvious that some here either can't grasp the power of information - or won't admit it.

If you think facebook is gathering information for the benefit of you (i.e. to provide you with products of your interest), you're wrong.

If you think the great number of active users is a weakness of facebook by which you can "hide in the crowd", you're wrong.

If you think giving a fake name is enough to stay anonymous, you're wrong.

You ARE the product.

Your data IS being profiled automatically (yes, there are scripts and algorithms written for that).

Your I.P. IS logged. Your profile data IS accessible to law enforcement & press when necessary.

A common example about how your data can be used against you is when you are looking for a job. Smart(ass) employers will google your name & check your profile and ask you questions in an interview (based on the data you provide) which will make you blush. The information you provide in facebook may result in you losing your leverage and credibility when negotiating your salary (IF you make it to that junction, that is).

That is just one example.

Another would be what law enforcement can do with your data. Should you ever get in trouble with the (in)justice department, your data may be used against you. The press is also able to frame you based on your profile. A known example would be Anna Chapman, a russian sleeper.

What I'm trying to teach you is: there's many ways to use your facebook data against you. Protect yourself and avoid it entirely if it's not too late.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. Whenever any organization

gets really big and powerful, everyone makes up conspiracy theories.

Just like the illuminati, NWO, and 911/conspiracies. Seriously man?

Why would facebook care enough to track down every users actions on

the net after logging out?

I mean if they are stopping pedophiles, sexual predators, and terrorists and meth dealers, then they have my best wishes. Seriously, I don't have anything to hide.

If the FBI wanted to come to my house or go through every detail of my life and past, I really have no objection. Seriously, if you have done nothing wrong, then why worry?

And if you are dumb enough

to post pictures and status updates of being smashed drunk during your

sick days from work and whatnot, then that is your fault.

I never put anything on my facebook that I wouln't want the govt or my grandma to see.

[ACPL Jon 68]

Why would facebook care enough to track down every users actions on

the net after logging out?

To sell it. Greatest "questionnaire" ever... without You knowing.

Seriously, if you have done nothing wrong, then why worry?

Dunno if in the west or anywhere else You have such a saying, but there's one good quote from the "red" times in Poland: "Give me a man and I'll find the article on him". Bulldog may sound a bit paranoid, but it's the same case as with Origin or Steam in his first days - there's a reason for a "spyware" term.

It's because of "I think I don't have anything to hide, so it's ok" attitude govs and companies are walking in boots into Your life, because people show they don't care. And so, You can expect more surveillance in the future, and that's really never a good thing.

I dislike facebook, so I'm even more curious what will happen in November, unless they burn the servers and all the backups it's impossible to destroy something as big... pitty, I'm all against things like FB, not only because of the "they'll sell your info" thing.

Edited October 8, 2011 by JonPL

[mrcash2009 0]

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me. Whenever any organization

gets really big and powerful, everyone makes up conspiracy theories.

Just like the illuminati, NWO, and 911/conspiracies. Seriously man?

>> FPDR <<

Why on earth does any of that have to be dragged into it? Why?

If you cant make a distinction between what is fact and known about facebook and data and the larger picture of it from spouting conspiracy and then only using point to point arguments such as "well I wouldn't post that picture" or "well dont be stupid with taking sickies" its not the point, it really isn't.

I despair sometimes I truly do.

Seriously, if you have done nothing wrong, then why worry?

Read this thread again and my posts, I love it, my points made clear thanks for that :)

If facebook was a real street it would be a row of houses with no doors, and when someone decides to put a door on the rest of the street then become suspicious of them for trying to hide something, its when transparency is packaged as a "norm" in society do you get the reversal, quite telling actually.

** Cant wait for the "well you can lock you page" comments to arrive next.

Because what your actually saying is:

If your worrying about transparency, then your hiding something or have done something wrong

Think that one through.

Heres a thought then: You government or local authority send you a questionnaire asking all the things you put on facebook (as in questions to reply with things, thoughts, details you have placed on facebook), and to supply pictures, locations of where you have been, and print outs of your conversations with friends, would you supply it no issue? But ... you will with facebook where it can be accessed the same. So, if you dont like the idea of supplying this info to your local authority and they then say to you "we are concerned that you are hiding something, or must be doing something wrong" ... what do you feel about that?

People go mad about the recent cencus, people have demonstrated and all manner of complaints about privacy invasion and all those areas and certain "bodies" campaigning, and yet I bet if you went to all these campaigners and down to person level in these companies most are on break or at home on facebook, shit, they probably have the campaign page ON facebook. Comical really.

Again its not about you, its a centralised database self created into the millions and getting bigger by the day and plugged into all devices, as I said before, people went bat shit about a ID scheme and government database, yet face book IS the same but packaged different, all same end results.

Its simple, its invasive to ask, but not if you have a base to act on free will to simply give it away. Its all about the packaging :) There is no "theory" in that what so ever.

Edited October 8, 2011 by mrcash2009

[Bulldog Six 10]

Gnat;2034511']Smart-arse employers? LOL ..... no' date=' dumb arse users FFS ! :p

- If your stupid enough to take a sick day (another one) then post pics of your (weeknight) on the town ..... dumbarse

- If your applying for a job and leaving stupid updates and bad mouthing all your workmates and bosses ..... dumbarse

Employers (yeh, like me) aren't stupid or behind the times. Just because you people can use social media doesn't mean we can't !

..... oh, btw, recruiting agencies also check you out ..... if you turn out to be a flake in social media, they won't waste much effort on placing you .... because they known most employers can research too ;)[/quote']

Thanks, your reply just proves my point.

---------- Post added at 15:40 ---------- Previous post was at 14:56 ----------

Why would facebook care enough to track down every users actions on the net after logging out?

Because to have information about your browsing habbits may also prove useful to discredit you.

an example: let's say you're a good guy wanting to change things for the better and running for congressman or some kind of community spokesman. But you have or had the habit to watch the occassional porn online every now and then (and c'mon, don't tell me you never watched porn online). If some power that be (opposition, press, lobbyists, etc) wants to remove you because they don't like your good-intent-agenda and depict you as some perv who likes to jerk off on porn sites - they CAN.

I mean if they are stopping pedophiles, sexual predators, and terrorists and meth dealers, then they have my best wishes. Seriously, I don't have anything to hide.

Everybody has something to hide. You just won't admit it or haven't thought about your statement thorough enough. Be it watching porn, browsing on activists/political websites, researching about how to make your own silencers or looking for an alternative to fossil fuels to save money and taxes.. there is always something.

by the way: there is no such thing as 'Terrorists". the only real terrorists I've come across so far are called politicians. if you bought the disinformation on the mass media you are not as sceptical as you think.

If the FBI wanted to come to my house or go through every detail of my life and past, I really have no objection. Seriously, if you have done nothing wrong, then why worry?

Ha! You're just too naive.

You'll think otherwise when FEMA comes by your house and tells you to obey.

An example would be this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjum7kLuTGg

And if you are dumb enough

to post pictures and status updates of being smashed drunk during your

sick days from work and whatnot, then that is your fault.

You're right, but that's not the only thing an employer can hold against you. If he sees your facebook profile has been automatically updated late at night and you show up late for work coming up with some other excuse your credibility is out the window.

I never put anything on my facebook that I wouln't want the govt or my grandma to see.

It's not only about what you put in yourself. I posted earlier some articles on how facebook is keeping track of your habits without you even noticing it.

You're one of those persons who believe whatever they want to believe - even though reality is far from it.

Have a nice blue-pill day!

Edited October 8, 2011 by Bulldog Six