3rd person view in MP : be or not to be? (voting)

[jw custom 56]

Nah, I've already given up (hacking and mod restrictions are also an issue). Last time I checked 6 Veteran servers irrc, with all of them having both 3rd and crosshairs enabled. 3rd annoys me. Crosshairs I simply can't cope with. Some Veteran (or even Regular) servers would have been more attractive if I could just set more difficult options for myself (but of course not easier than what the server says).

Ask them if they could turn crosshair/3rd person off, if they won't they probably prefere it that way.

Host your own server with your own settings.

[*LK1* 10]

Let's hope so :)

:)

that's explain how mature you are :)

His argument is that everything should be as he want it, forget having a discussion with him, he will only drag you up to his level ;)

fixed.

by the way ive trolled you a bit with the post before this1. and no i dont think im the source of truth. im just posing questions, and noone has gave, at the moment, a credible response.

what about that with the 3d view you can see around corners. you dont care? you care but you prefer to have the 3d view anyway or simply you have forgot this collateral conseguence? just asking, to everyone.

is funny how people think to use logic but they clearly avoid any logical question.

in fact, i must admit, most of the simulator i played with have 3d view. like steel beasts and many others.so the guy with an havoc on his avatar made an valid observation. but, but these kind of game are ground vehicles and jets simulators..im just asking is it the case to include this feature even inside an infantry simulator?

dont think we are nazists just because we dont want an option to be enbled/disabled by the server admin. we just think is out of the contest in this game. so there are no reasons to include it in the game.

we already have the option to turn your neck left or right which can compensate a bit the limitated peripheral vision... but i guess you dont give a damn right?:) i guess you really like to see around corners without exposing yourself at the enemy fire. which is great,especially inside a simulator :)

i guess the 3d has some sort of valid reasons to exist when we are talking

about vehicles, bu it could be improved: for example we could add a key to allow the player to see through the side mirrors of the cars.

but when we talk about infantry seriusly, is just a bullshit.

someone sad "hey even in bf2,cod there is no 3d" and the response was like "well maybe because is not an arcade solution".

what about the crosshair? it's still in arcade games and in simulative games too. so? how would you definy this feature...:)

and the insta TAB-LOCK aquisition target system? is it realistic just because it's inside a wannabe military simulation game? i guess no.

personally i think some options are just a concession to the casual player to make his game experience more easy.

Edited August 27, 2011 by ***LeGeNDK1LLER***

[Spartan 163 0]

You do realize that this came up in OFP, Arma1, & Arma2 CO/OA and addons were made for everything u ask like rear view mirrors, leaning around coners ect ect.

If you take away 3rd person there will just be an addon to give it back. Plus it should be up to the server admin, gaming group, personal preference not one person who wants a Counter Strike feel for everyone. Thay is just plain selfish.

[dmarkwick 261]

:)

that's explain how mature you are :)

fixed.

by the way ive trolled you a bit with the post before this1. and no i dont think im the source of truth. im just posing questions, and noone has gave, at the moment, a credible response.

what about that with the 3d view you can see around corners. you dont care? you care but you prefer to have the 3d view anyway or simply you have forgot this collateral conseguence? just asking, to everyone.

is funny how people think to use logic but they clearly avoid any logical question.

in fact, i must admit, most of the simulator i played with have 3d view. like steel beasts and many others.so the guy with an havoc on his avatar made an valid observation. but, but these kind of game are ground vehicles and jets simulators..im just asking is it the case to include this feature even inside an infantry simulator?

dont think we are nazists just because we dont want an option to be enbled/disabled by the server admin. we just think is out of the contest in this game. so there are no reasons to include it in the game.

we already have the option to turn your neck left or right which can compensate a bit the limitated peripheral vision... but i guess you dont give a damn right?:) i guess you really like to see around corners without exposing yourself at the enemy fire. which is great,especially inside a simulator :)

i guess the 3d has some sort of valid reasons to exist when we are talking

about vehicles, bu it could be improved: for example we could add a key to allow the player to see through the side mirrors of the cars.

but when we talk about infantry seriusly, is just a bullshit.

someone sad "hey even in bf2,cod there is no 3d" and the response was like "well maybe because is not an arcade solution".

what about the crosshair? it's still in arcade games and in simulative games too. so? how would you definy this feature...:)

and the insta TAB-LOCK aquisition target system? is it realistic just because it's inside a wannabe military simulation game? i guess no.

personally i think some options are just a concession to the casual player to make his game experience more easy.

All the things you mention are optional, which is the most important *logical* point of all. And something that many people simply dismiss as irrelevant, when it is in fact central. You just don't agree with how most servers are set up, is the *actual* issue.

[Maio 293]

ArmA is a G.A.M.E. It's not simulator of any kind... The dev's call it a mill sim, but we all know what it is.

The " IT"S A SIMULATOR!!!!!" argument does not apply if you bothered playing it for more then 5 minutes.

Plus, I see 3'rd person as more of an artistic tool then anything else.

I just believe there is nothing more to talk about, this thread has already turned into one big back and forth.

Sometimes I wish I was a mod...

[*LK1* 10]

You do realize that this came up in OFP, Arma1, & Arma2 CO/OA and addons were made for everything u ask like rear view mirrors, leaning around coners ect ect.

i realize is not so difficult. hope you realize too which is the main difference by using an addon and having a game which already include that feature.

no the main difference is not that in the first case you have to download an addon and in the second case you dont. there is something more.

If you take away 3rd person there will just be an addon to give it back. Plus it should be up to the server admin, gaming group, personal preference not one person who wants a Counter Strike feel for everyone. Thay is just plain selfish.

lol. so funny. so without the 3d view you could have a sort of counter strike

feeling by playing this game. bizarre let me tell you. very bizarre.

what about seeing around corners? dont you have a sort of lamer/cheatter feeling on yourself when you see an enemy behind a corner and you go on his back to kill him? :rolleyes:

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All the things you mention are optional, which is the most important *logical* point of all. And something that many people simply dismiss as irrelevant, when it is in fact central. You just don't agree with how most servers are set up, is the *actual* issue.

i gave you a superior intellectual integrity/honesty comparated with may others.

so plz dont act like many others.. the *actual issue* is that you can see around corners.

without that consegence i wouldnt have any kind of problem against 3d view. pure and simple.

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ArmA is a G.A.M.E. It's not simulator of any kind... The dev's call it a mill sim, but we all know what it is.

The " IT"S A SIMULATOR!!!!!" argument does not apply if you bothered playing it for more then 5 minutes.

yes sure is a game. which i bought it cuz is the most realistic avaible not because

is an arcade fps. that's why people dont like some features which they dont have nothing to do with realism

Plus, I see 3'rd person as more of an artistic tool then anything else.

totally agree :). its a feature which has nothing to do with realism. just an artistic tool.

I just believe there is nothing more to talk about, this thread has already turned into one big back and forth.

well that's the problem when childrens jump in the thread and they cant deal with different opinions. they start to call for moderators, they use immature and offending memes, they ask for a ban :) .seems like the old bf2 community in many cases.

Sometimes I wish I was a mod...

to do what.

Edited August 27, 2011 by ***LeGeNDK1LLER***

[Spartan 163 0]

i realize is not so difficult. hope you realize too which is the main difference by using an addon and having a game which already include that feature.

no the main difference is not that in the first case you have to download an addon and in the second case you dont.

lol. so funny. so without the 3d view you could have a sort of counter strike

feeling by playing this game. bizarre let me tell you. very bizarre.

what about seeing around corners? dont you have a sort of lamer/cheatter feeling on yourself when you see an enemy behind a corner and you go on his back to kill him? :rolleyes:

Oh so this is an argument thread. My mistake.

Every thing has a solution to it. If it is optional then people have the choice all sides are happy. If it is one way only then one group is happy. Choice is the most sensible solution. As for seeing around corners it is an addon that was made to add those animations and can easly countered with sig checking. If sig checking is not on then the guy stuck in a static or warping animation should be asked to leave or remove said addon. What I posted was a solution answer to your argument that makes everyone equal when playing. The way you.put it any addon that gives one bit of Information or action that another does not have could be considered a cheat. Sig checking fixes that.:bounce3::bounce3:

[*LK1* 10]

polite post. take note funboyz.+1 for you.

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The way you.put it any addon that gives one bit of Information or action that another does not have could be considered a cheat. Sig checking fixes that.:bounce3::bounce3:

true. it makes the game more annoying and easy but should not being considerated a cheat.

[woore 10]

:)

what about that with the 3d view you can see around corners. you dont care? you care but you prefer to have the 3d view anyway or simply you have forgot this collateral conseguence? just asking, to everyone.

is funny how people think to use logic but they clearly avoid any logical question.

in fact, i must admit, most of the simulator i played with have 3d view. like steel beasts and many others.so the guy with an havoc on his avatar made an valid observation. but, but these kind of game are ground vehicles and jets simulators..im just asking is it the case to include this feature even inside an infantry simulator?

dont think we are nazists just because we dont want an option to be enbled/disabled by the server admin. we just think is out of the contest in this game. so there are no reasons to include it in the game.

we already have the option to turn your neck left or right which can compensate a bit the limitated peripheral vision... but i guess you dont give a damn right?:) i guess you really like to see around corners without exposing yourself at the enemy fire. which is great,especially inside a simulator :)

i guess the 3d has some sort of valid reasons to exist when we are talking

about vehicles, bu it could be improved: for example we could add a key to allow the player to see through the side mirrors of the cars.

but when we talk about infantry seriusly, is just a bullshit.

someone sad "hey even in bf2,cod there is no 3d" and the response was like "well maybe because is not an arcade solution".

what about the crosshair? it's still in arcade games and in simulative games too. so? how would you definy this feature...:)

and the insta TAB-LOCK aquisition target system? is it realistic just because it's inside a wannabe military simulation game? i guess no.

personally i think some options are just a concession to the casual player to make his game experience more easy.

Finally, the post I fully agree with.

I've tryed even to find compromiss, but they don't want it. Using 3rd to see around corners is the only reason why they're advocating 3rd so hard. And they don't care about realism or smt like this. When you're asking "why do you want it", they're usually answering "because IRL you have more then 180 degrees view, and simulator must imitate it" (aha,sure, check human anatomy first, field of human's view is less than 180 degrees, like of any other predator), but if you're saying "but it's unrealistic because you can see aroun corners", they're answering "it's a game". Nice

You don't understand our simple idea: don't allow players to see around corners, and all of us will be pretty happy.

hmm nazists? I'm not permitting people to do anything by their nation.

Edited August 27, 2011 by woore

[rangerpl 13]

I don't see a problem with 3rd person view, it should be enabled or disabled at the server admin's discretion.

As it is now.

[dmarkwick 261]

i gave you a superior intellectual integrity/honesty comparated with may others.

Well thank you for that :)

so plz dont act like many others.. the *actual issue* is that you can see around corners.

without that consegence i wouldnt have any kind of problem against 3d view. pure and simple.

Well the way I see it is you cannot see around corners when 3rd person is disabled. So the problem is solved. Now, if you don't like the way the server is set, well that's not a problem of the options, it's a problem of conflicting expectations. In this case you must play on servers that have 3rd person disabled. I understand these servers are in the minority, but that just reflects the demographic, most people are happy to play a game.

I might make the supposition that most serious PvP servers do not have it enabled.

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Finally, the post I fully agree with.

I've tryed even to find compromiss, but they don't want it. Using 3rd to see around corners is the only reason why they're advocating 3rd so hard.

You see, that's a supposition, and nothing to do with logic. You are applying the worst justifications on behalf of everybody, in order to "prove" your own point. Demagogy.

[*LK1* 10]

I might make the supposition that most serious PvP servers do not have it enabled.

of course. it could become totally ridicolous a PvP server with 3d view on.

it will be the lame paradise.

When you're asking "why do you want it", they're usually answering "because IRL you have more then 180 degrees view, and simulator must imitate it" but if you're saying "but it's unrealistic because you can see around corners", they're answering "it's a game". Nice

*:rolleyes:

i guess is called incoherence.