Navy vs. Army

[ScorpionGuard 10]

Hello community.

I am having a conflict between starting a Naval Unit; Carrier Strike Group w/Amphibious Ready Group, are an Army Unit; Stryker Combat Brigade w/Air Force Fighter Group. I would like to hear from the community the Pros and Cons of my conflict of these units.

[Cdogwoof 11]

Wrong place to put this

[ScorpionGuard 10]

Where should I put this post Cdogwoof?

[Cdogwoof 11]

http://forums.bistudio.com/forumdisplay.php?f=56

ArmA 2 Suggestions I think would be a better place

[ScorpionGuard 10]

Why would I put a ArmA 3 question in an ArmA 2 post?

[Cdogwoof 11]

ArmA 3 isn't out yet

[ScorpionGuard 10]

Let me put it this way. I would like to stand up a Carrier Strike Group. But I fear that ArmA 3 like ArmA & ArmA 2 will not support the naval side of the military due to an idea that navies do not support land warfare. This is a false statement. i.e. Navy gunfire, air strikes, crusie missiles strike, Marine Corps amphibious operations, to say a few. How this idea started. I have no idea. Are those who state that they inform themselves of military tactic are reading manuals form the early 1900's.

Edited August 4, 2011 by ScorpionGuard

[Cdogwoof 11]

Well judging the screens it will be based around the Army so i dont think there will be a Carrier like in ArmA 2 but also like ArmA 2 there might be a LHD or LPD if they decide to add the Marine Corp At all

[ScorpionGuard 10]

I never understud BI when it comes to wars taken place on islands. And the U.S. send the U.S. Army? This is unrealistic. The first on the sceen would be the U.S. Navy & Marine Corps. Other countries may send their Army due to them not having Naval Infantry or a Marine Corps.

[Cdogwoof 11]

This is the first time they sent the Army onto a Island (Never played ArmA 1 or OFP) plus in order to keep the 2020 feel the army is the best choice since the Marine corps most likely use the same equipment as they do today because they get the Army "Hand me Down's" And the Campaign is based around Special forces so... it doesn't really matter if they are the army, marines, navy your going to have ways to get on a island

[Rhodesy77 11]

Mate you dont even know the full Arma3 story yet and your saying its unrealistic? pull ya head out of your ass... Who spearheaded Operation Just Cause in Panama? the US army rangers... now last i checked panama was largely surrounded by water...

[Cdogwoof 11]

And thats where we get the name Combined operations

[Antioch 10]

The Marines are on boats.

Boats are slow.

Airborne capable troops are much faster to deploy, do not have a large logistical drain and can conduct pre-invasion reconnaissance, sabotage, and take out key fortifications before the actual assault.

Although with the way Libya is going, I think the Air Force with their army of Drones is going to be going all Terminator on people in our next conflict.

[SSgt Decker 4]

This is the first time they sent the Army onto a Island (Never played ArmA 1 or OFP) plus in order to keep the 2020 feel the army is the best choice since the Marine corps most likely use the same equipment as they do today because they get the Army "Hand me Down's" And the Campaign is based around Special forces so... it doesn't really matter if they are the army, marines, navy your going to have ways to get on a island

This isn't the first time they used the U.S. Army on an island. OFP had 5 islands and the only force was the Army. Arma 1 Sahrani was and island as well and they used Army. So Arma 2 is the 1st BIS game to feature the Marines as the main force. Arma 3 will have a improved naval aspect of the game with allowing players to play as Navy Seal divers and swim underwater as well as operate small underwater craft (mk8) and surface vessels also.

[ScorpionGuard 10]

Mate you dont even know the full Arma3 story yet and your saying its unrealistic? pull ya head out of your ass... Who spearheaded Operation Just Cause in Panama? the US army rangers... now last i checked panama was largely surrounded by water...

At the time the U.S. had have five Army bases in Panama. Fort Amador, Fort Clayton, Corozal Army Post, Fort Kobbe, and Quarry Heights. The Rangers where for reinforcement. But I can ask a friend who was a Ranger that made the jump again to explain to the reason the Rangers where truely there.

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The Marines are on boats.

Boats are slow.

Airborne capable troops are much faster to deploy, do not have a large logistical drain and can conduct pre-invasion reconnaissance, sabotage, and take out key fortifications before the actual assault.

Although with the way Libya is going, I think the Air Force with their army of Drones is going to be going all Terminator on people in our next conflict.

Yes Marines are on Ships. But Carrier/Expeditionary Strike Group are stationed in area of intrest. Like the Med. So an MEU (SOC) would be on the ground before the Army. And sofar as Libya. You can bet that SEAL's and Marine Recon are painting the targets for the Air Force & Navy stirkes.

[Devil Dogs SF 13]

The Marines are on boats.

Boats are slow.

US Marines deploy on land just as the Army does and use their "hand-me-down" equipment just as good or even better.

That aside, the Marines and Rangers would more than likely be on the scene at the same time should such an "island invasion" take place, one being Airborne the other a rapid Amphibious force. The regular Army would be cleaning up whatever the Marines and Rangers left.

[ghostnineone 10]

At the time the U.S. had have five Army bases in Panama. Fort Amador, Fort Clayton, Corozal Army Post, Fort Kobbe, and Quarry Heights. The Rangers where for reinforcement. But I can ask a friend who was a Ranger that made the jump again to explain to the reason the Rangers where truely there.

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Yes Marines are on Ships. But Carrier/Expeditionary Strike Group are stationed in area of intrest. Like the Med. So an MEU (SOC) would be on the ground before the Army. And sofar as Libya. You can bet that SEAL's and Marine Recon are painting the targets for the Air Force & Navy stirkes.

You wouldn't send a MEU to do what you're doing in arma 3

edit: pretty sure chernarus, takistan and zargabad arent actually islands, so i really dont know why they used the marines for chernarus...

A small group of Special Forces and Researchers are sent to a Mediterranean island deep behind enemy lines. However, the mission is compromised and the task force destroyed, leaving Cpt. Scott Miller washed ashore upon the hostile island. In his effort to carry out the mission, he will face the dangers of modern warfare, an unforgiving environment, and the consequences of his own decisions...

depending on just exactly how secret squirrel that operation was supposed to have been, it would have either been Army SF, Navy SEALs, or Delta, Devgru and the CIA. I doubt they would deploy a MSOB for something like that, even though they are capable of SR.

Scott Miller is an SBS operative IIRC anyways, but i have no idea what units would be in the task force since there are vehicles and weapons from random countries all over the place...

Edited August 4, 2011 by ghostnineone

[Militant1006 11]

Rhodesy still brought up a point you have neglected, we do not know the exact factions and units that will be ingame yet, and we do not know the story.

Sad fact, BIS is not making this game for YOU, it is being made for the overall community.

Think, why send the marines or Navy to deal with what seems like a covert operation?

we gonna have battleships bringing down 18 inch shells as we charge up the beach at the Japanese Machineguns bunkers eh?

These days most SF are versatile enough to handle almost any task for insertion techniques, SEAL's are obviously the best at underwater insertions, but how do we know they are not being used in the game?

[CyclonicTuna 87]

I think you should go for it, the naval strik group I mean. I agree thats pretty much the only thing missing in Arma.

[Maio 293]

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edit: pretty sure chernarus, takistan and zargabad arent actually islands, so i really dont know why they used the marines for chernarus...

Marines don't get deployed only on islands. If the country has a coastline, it's "marine friendly" :) .

Chernarus has a coastline and so does Takistan.

[Devil Dogs SF 13]

You wouldn't send a MEU to do what you're doing in arma 3

edit: pretty sure chernarus, takistan and zargabad arent actually islands, so i really dont know why they used the marines for chernarus...

Afghanistan and Iraq aren't islands either.

[max power 21]

This isn't the first time they used the U.S. Army on an island. OFP had 5 islands and the only force was the Army. Arma 1 Sahrani was and island as well and they used Army. So Arma 2 is the 1st BIS game to feature the Marines as the main force.

In Cold War Crisis, the Army was already there in a garrison. In fact, they were living like pigs in a field.

ArmA 1 had the Army and Marines. The army was there doing some training with the RACS when the SLA attacked. Later, the Marines arrived with air support that allowed the US Army to gain the initiative. They mention this in the dialogue... something like, "It's payback time! Let's give the slags hell, and not let those Marines think they saved out asses!"

Edited August 4, 2011 by Max Power

[ghostnineone 10]

Afghanistan and Iraq aren't islands either.

yes i know that, I just dont know why they would use the marines and only the marines to fight in chernarus, considering its not an island (im aware they go other places, but they specialize in amphibious stuff), and they are fighting an army backed by russia and chernarus is apparently a huge country and i dont think the marines have enough man power to handle that considering they sent an LHD...

the marines have about 300,000 total vs. the armys 1,000,000

[dmarkwick 261]

It's just a game :)

[rye1 21]

It's just a game :)

Thank you. This topic was getting into a dark place..... :rolleyes: