Who do you admire the most?

[Minsc 0]

Terrorists or revolutionaries; either way they are still murderers.

I find it HIGHLY offensive that people will condemn al Queda for killing innocent civillians but at the same time praise the IRA or Eta for killing innocent civillians.

If they attack military or political targets then that is a different matter; but once they start killing people who have nothing to do with such targets then they can only be branded as murderers.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Minsc @ May 13 2002,01:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I find it HIGHLY offensive that people will condemn al Queda for killing innocent civillians but at the same time praise the IRA or Eta for killing innocent civillians.<span id='postcolor'>

Nobody here has praised IRA or ETA. Actually, the only way IRA was mentioned before you jumped in was as a comparison to the American revolutionary war, since they both had the same objective: getting rid of the Brits.

[KingBeast 0]

People are always trying to get rid of us *sniff*

[Minsc 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Minsc @ May 13 2002,01:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

I find it HIGHLY offensive that people will condemn al Queda for killing innocent civillians but at the same time praise the IRA or Eta for killing innocent civillians.

<span id='postcolor'>

Ok, maybe the choice of words I used to express myself were chosen badly.

What I meant to say is that I find it offensive that people call al Queda terrorists but at the same time refer to the IRA or Eta as revolutionaries, as the connotation of each word suggests something entirely different.

My point is that in their killing of innocents they are using politics and/or religion as an excuse to murder.  This is never justifiable.

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ May 11 2002,07:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My hero is Carlos the Jackal.<span id='postcolor'>

Would you mind telling us why?

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ May 13 2002,03:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Would you mind telling us why?<span id='postcolor'>

His lack of an explanation in the first place tells me he was either being sarcastic or just being an asshole.

[DarkLight 0]

Sheesh, this discussion started just because i like Che

[Sadico 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ May 13 2002,03:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ May 11 2002,07:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My hero is Carlos the Jackal.<span id='postcolor'>

Would you mind telling us why?<span id='postcolor'>

Yep, that's a really good question

[Paratrooper 0]

lol, sorry I was yanking your chain...

[nordin dk 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Minsc @ May 13 2002,02:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My point is that in their killing of innocents they are using politics and/or religion as an excuse to murder.  This is never justifiable.<span id='postcolor'>

Nobody said it was.

[DarkLight 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nordin dk @ May 13 2002,19:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Minsc @ May 13 2002,02:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My point is that in their killing of innocents they are using politics and/or religion as an excuse to murder.  This is never justifiable.<span id='postcolor'>

Nobody said it was.<span id='postcolor'>

Touché!

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well, who is to say what is right and what is not? George W. Bush?<span id='postcolor'>

Let's say....the whole of the free world? The majority of sane people on this planet would think that what happend on 9/11 was wrong, GW Bush does not make my decisions.  

Denoir, you are right in the aspect that it is the winner that makes history. I'm sure you would argue that if Nazi Germany won WW2 that they would say they were right generations later. But that point is a rather moot one. As I said earlier, just because some people think something is right, it does not make it that way.

On another note, the attack on the Pentagon might not have been an act of terrorism but rather a military strike if the people flying the planes didn't have them full of civilians.

What happend at the WTC was pure terrorism, plain and simple. Unless you look at it from the terrorist's point of view. I could also say that we may think an act of murder is wrong, but it is just in the murderer's point of view. Does this make it right? I hope not. The majority decides what is right in a good society, not the acts of a crazy minority.

Tyler

[Paratrooper 0]

Of course thw WTC attacks were wrong, but that dosn't make the US innocent of crimes against the arab world. Or at least of mistreatment. It also dosn't give the USA position of moral superiority.

[ralphwiggum 6]

but US crimes also don't give any moral superiority over US either

[USSoldier11B 0]

Oh, so I'm naive. At least I can spell the word. Have I ever been outside the U.S? Yes, I have. Have you ever been to the U.S. Denoir? No I would guess not. So what's the point? Just because you are ultra liberals you think all of your beliefs are the correct ones? and you think I'm the one that is jaded? I'm naive because I'm a conservative? Ha! If I'm not mistaken I believe it is the left wing that sugar coats everything or blows it way out of proportion. So, naive I might be. I am 20 years old and very idealistic after all. But probably not much more niave than you. Biased I am, just as you are. I really don't care what you think of the U.S. action against terrorism, because there isn't anything you can do about it.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ May 14 2002,04:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh, so I'm niave. At least I can spell the word. Have I ever been outside the U.S? Yes, I have. Have you ever been to the U.S. Denoir? No I would guess not. So what's the point? Just because you are ultra liberals you think all of your beliefs are the correct ones? and you think I'm the one that is jaded? I'm niave because I'm a conservative. Ha! If I'm not mistaken I believe it is the left wing that sugar coats everything or blows it way out of proportion. So, niave I might be. I am 20 years old and very idealistic after all. But probably not much more niave than you. Biased I am, just as you are. I really don't care what you think of the U.S. action against terrorism, because there isn't anything you can do about it.<span id='postcolor'>

*ahem*

its spelled 'naive'

na·ive or na·Äve Pronunciation Key (n-v, nä-) also na·if or na·Äf (n-f, nä)

adj.

Lacking worldly experience and understanding, especially:

Simple and guileless; artless: a child with a naive charm.

Unsuspecting or credulous: “Students, often bright but naive, betand losesubstantial sums of money on sporting events†(Tim Layden).

Showing or characterized by a lack of sophistication and critical judgment: “this extravagance of metaphors, with its naive bombast†(H.L. Mencken).

Not previously subjected to experiments: testing naive mice.

Not having previously taken or received a particular drug: persons naive to marijuana.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ May 14 2002,04:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">niave<span id='postcolor'>

Unless that was sarcasm you kind of shot yourself in the foot...

[USSoldier11B 0]

Uh....I need some damage control.

I can admit that I'm not perfect though.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ May 14 2002,04:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

Ussoldier:

You are naive because you are blocking out the discussion from yourself by blaming it on politics. I would love if you could explain to me what politics has to do with the terrorist, revolutionary thing.

Ok let's go over your reply.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh, so I'm naive. At least I can spell the word.<span id='postcolor'>

LMAO. I think that others have taken care of that one.

Vad spelar det för roll förresten? Jag skulle vilja se dig stava rätt pĺ svenska. Vadĺ? Kan du inte Svenska?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> Have I ever been outside the U.S? Yes, I have. <span id='postcolor'>

You know, Nevada doesn't count. It's in the US.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Have you ever been to the U.S. Denoir? No I would guess not. <span id='postcolor'>

Yes I have, on several occasions. Last time was in november when I was visiting some friends in Boston.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So what's the point? Just because you are ultra liberals you think all of your beliefs are the correct ones? and you think I'm the one that is jaded? I'm naive because I'm a conservative? Ha! If I'm not mistaken I believe it is the left wing that sugar coats everything or blows it way out of proportion. <span id='postcolor'>

Again. Nobody said anything about politics, except you.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So, naive I might be. I am 20 years old and very idealistic after all.<span id='postcolor'>

Yes you are. And my suggestion was to see for yourself what the world is like and form your own opinion.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But probably not much more niave than you. <span id='postcolor'>

If anything, I am paranoid, but not very naÄf.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Biased I am, just as you are. I really don't care what you think of the U.S. action against terrorism, because there isn't anything you can do about it.

<span id='postcolor'>

LOL! You really are the best, USSoldier! This was not a discussion over U.S' military operation. We were discussing weather one could call your little insurrection (against the Brits) for terrorism, and if your 'founding fathers' could be considered terrorists. Try to stay focused. I know it is a lot to ask from an Army infantry soldier, but please try

One more proof that it is not a political thing is that all the other Americans (even the liberal ones, like RalphWiggum) that were participating in the discussion didn't approve of the idea, while the Europeans thought that it made sense.

So, that would be more a question of national pride on your part then political bias on our.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ May 14 2002,08:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Vad spelar det för roll förresten? Jag skulle vilja se dig stava rätt pĺ svenska. Vadĺ? Kan du inte Svenska? <span id='postcolor'>

I don't speak a word of Swedish but if there's any doubt, I would bet my left testicle that he's daring you to speak Swedish better than he speaks English

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ May 14 2002,08:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ May 14 2002,08:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Vad spelar det för roll förresten? Jag skulle vilja se dig stava rätt pĺ svenska. Vadĺ? Kan du inte Svenska? <span id='postcolor'>

I don't speak a word of Swedish but if there's any doubt, I would bet my left testicle that he's daring you to speak Swedish better than he speaks English <span id='postcolor'>

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[IceFire 0]

Hehe. I wonder who can win in a fight.

I'll hold your books! LOL!

[nordin dk 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">just because some people think something is right,it does not make it that way.

<span id='postcolor'>

= Belief of a certain population group not necessarily correct

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The majority decides what is right in a good society,not the acts of a crazy minority.

<span id='postcolor'>

= Belief of a certain population group necessarily correct

Pardon me saying this, but you are contradicting yourself.

I admit, it's a difficult nut to crack...

[Badgerboy 0]

Bump

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Badgerboy @ May 15 2002,01:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bump<span id='postcolor'>

Interesting comment. Would you like to elaborate further?