Who do you admire the most?

[WKK Gimbal 0]

My greatest hero is Yoda.

Reasons: He has found the true balance in life and knows that wars does not make one great. He has perfected his skills to a level no other can match, yet he's humble and wise and hesitant to use those incredible powers, which by a corrupt person could be used for much evil and destruction.

My other great hero is Dalai Lama, for more or less the same reasons.

[Paratrooper 0]

My hero is Carlos the Jackal.

[Renagade 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WKK Gimbal @ May 11 2002,16:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My greatest hero is Yoda.

Reasons: He has found the true balance in life and knows that wars does not make one great. He has perfected his skills to a level no other can match, yet he's humble and wise and hesitant to use those incredible powers, which by a corrupt person could be used for much evil and destruction.

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Yes and he lives in a mud hut on some bog planet eating flies,

[Renagade 0]

The terminator would crush yoda the bogmaster

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The terminator would crush yoda the bogmaster<span id='postcolor'>

Are you kidding? Yoda would ginsu the Terminator into itty little bits.

Force pull to take away the weapon, force push to knock him over, force speed and lightsaber to finish him off.

[Renagade 0]

too much jedi knight stuff there but i suspect the mass prroduced t-800s would have no problem with yoda, failing that i`d just blow up his bog planet

[Warin 0]

Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've

constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

Besides, I have some of these...

[DarkLight 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sadico @ May 11 2002,14:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, i am very serious but i'm a bit afraid to say why because lots of ppl on this forum will find it insulting for their country and it will only create another one of those flamewars.

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Hey, there is freedom of speech. If someone doesn't like what you say, it's their problem, not yours.

USSoldier11B, ask someone from vietnam and he most likely will tell you that Carlos Hathcock was a mass murderer. Your war heroes are the other side's war criminals. Personaly, i don't think Hathcock was a criminal, and i don't think Che Guevara was a criminal either.<span id='postcolor'>

Thanks for supporting me , i still am not gonna tell why cuz i really don't feel like having a fight with some ppl.

I wanted to say the same thing about the mass murderer thing you talked about, but i didn't know how to say it in english

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ May 11 2002,20:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Thanks for supporting me    , i still am not gonna tell why cuz i really don't feel like having a fight with some ppl.

I wanted to say the same thing about the mass murderer thing you talked about, but i didn't know how to say it in english <span id='postcolor'>

Does it translate into something like "Tough shit, they were counter-revolutionaries." ?

I just find it slightly ironic that a trained physician who took the Hippocratic oath would support and aid such a violator of human rights like Fidel Castro

[RedStar 0]

Ronnie Bunting

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Sorry if it offends but I admire him and I am just being honest

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ May 11 2002,21:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just find it slightly ironic that a trained physician who took the Hippocratic oath would support and aid such a violator of human rights like Fidel Castro<span id='postcolor'>

Fidel has become corrupted by his power, but back then Batista was the one jailing, exiling or executing his political enemies left and right. During the Revolution, his air force napalmed villages just because of suspicions that revolutionaries may be there. How the hell do you think an armed force of 80, of which only a dozen survived the initial beach landing, came to defeat a US-sponsored military? Fidel had massive popular support, and with good reason. The present is a completely different matter however.

To quote my grandfather, who still lives in Cuba and is by no means a fan of Castro:

"I understand that Fidel wanted what was best for Cuba, and back in 59 what he did was for the best, but his great flaw is that he is so blinded by his ideals now that he dosen't see that he is the one causing the most suffering to the Cuban people. It's time for him to go."

[Sadico 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Thanks for supporting me, i still am not gonna tell why cuz i really don't feel like having a fight with some ppl.

I wanted to say the same thing about the mass murderer thing you talked about, but i didn't know how to say it in english

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Happens to me all the time. I could contribute to the discussion but i just don't know how to say it in english

I completely agree with you, Tovarish.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ May 11 2002,21:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Fidel has become corrupted by his power, but back then Batista was the one jailing, exiling or executing his political enemies left and right. During the Revolution, his air force napalmed villages just because of suspicions that revolutionaries may be there. How the hell do you think an armed force of 80, of which only a dozen survived the initial beach landing, came to defeat a US-sponsored military? Fidel had massive popular support, and with good reason. The present is a completely different matter however.

To quote my grandfather, who still lives in Cuba and is by no means a fan of Castro:

"I understand that Fidel wanted what was best for Cuba, and back in 59 what he did was for the best, but his great flaw is that he is so blinded by his ideals now that he dosen't see that he is the one causing the most suffering to the Cuban people. It's time for him to go."<span id='postcolor'>

I could care less how noble he started out as, the point is that as soon as he was in power he turned into something just as bad as Batista. I dont mind that he hates the US, Ive gotten used to the fact that a lot of people do. But I do mind that he keeps Cuba from advancing, and holds Cubas people down for the sake of staying in power

[Sadico 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I could care less how noble he started out as, the point is that as soon as he was in power he turned into something just as bad as Batista. I dont mind that he hates the US, Ive gotten used to the fact that a lot of people do. But I do mind that he keeps Cuba from advancing, and holds Cubas people down for the sake of staying in power<span id='postcolor'>

Yep, castro keeps cuba from advancing, but i don't think the american embargo is helping them much, either.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ May 11 2002,22:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I could care less how noble he started out as, the point is that as soon as he was in power he turned into something just as bad as Batista. I dont mind that he hates the US, Ive gotten used to the fact that a lot of people do. But I do mind that he keeps Cuba from advancing, and holds Cubas people down for the sake of staying in power<span id='postcolor'>

Hmm.. do I smell a "War on Terror" against Cuba coming up

ps. Oh, yeah I forgot about the treaty with the Soviets - no nuclear missiles on Cuba, no invasion of Cuba... I wonder if that one is still technically valid since there is no Soviet Union today.

Edit: If we believe the US government there are a lot of terrorist on Cuba, namely in camp xray

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ May 11 2002,22:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I could care less how noble he started out as, the point is that as soon as he was in power he turned into something just as bad as Batista. I dont mind that he hates the US, Ive gotten used to the fact that a lot of people do. But I do mind that he keeps Cuba from advancing, and holds Cubas people down for the sake of staying in power<span id='postcolor'>

Not as soon as he got into power, but as soon as he realized the US wasn't going to sit back and let him run the country, so he had to ask the Soviets for help and subsequently Cuba became a communist country. (btw, i lived there, and before the early 90's when the USSR broke up, life was actually pretty good), but anyways none of that is the point. I agree with you completely that he has become what he set out to defeat. But taking us back to your previous quote:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just find it slightly ironic that a trained physician who took the Hippocratic oath would support and aid such a violator of human rights like Fidel Castro

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Do you suppose Ché had some sort of crystal ball back then to tell him Castro would turn out as he is now?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ May 11 2002,22:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hmm.. do I smell a "War on Terror" against Cuba coming up

ps. Oh, yeah I forgot about the treaty with the Soviets - no nuclear missiles on Cuba, no invasion of Cuba... I wonder if that one is still technically valid since there is no Soviet Union today.<span id='postcolor'>

The day that happens is the day I loose any credibility in the US and go back to supporting Castro

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If you ask me Batista was the biggest danger back then, like some other guy said, che didn't have a crystal ball, you know.

The violence he used was against Batista's soldiers, never against civilians (actually they really wanted the civs to be on their side so they had to be very nice to them. Batista was saying that che and his "army" were real killers and that they killed every civ that they saw, this of course is a huge lie. This is why they had to be so nice to the civilians).

Well, i don't have much time now, i'll tell more about this later on...

[Sadico 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Edit: If we believe the US government there are a lot of terrorist on Cuba, namely in camp xray <span id='postcolor'>

Hahahaha, good one! That's a very curious thing. The americans are saying all the time that it's a war on terrorism, yet they don't apply the war prisioners legislation because they don't consider the terrorists as soldiers. But if they are not soldiers, they are civilians! And giving that treatment to civilians is surely against human rights.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">they don't apply the war prisioners legislation because they don't consider the terrorists as soldiers. But if they are not soldiers, they are civilians!<span id='postcolor'>

They are not soldiers. Soldiers are the fighting arm of a legitimate government. The Taliban was never recognized by the UN as a legitimate governing body.

They are not civilians, they were fighting for an illegitimate 'government'.

The Taliban is by far the biggest denyer of human rights, they are getting better treatment at camp x-ray then their prisoners ever got.

Tyler

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They are not soldiers. Soldiers are the fighting arm of a legitimate government.<span id='postcolor'>

So, the founding fathers of the US were terrorists, not soldiers.  They were NOT part of a legitimate government until AFTER the revolutionary war.

I am not a big fan of the Taliban.  Blowing up those buddhist statues to me was the mark of a truly depraved people.  But if you want to split hairs, the Taliban was in charge of Afghanistan, whether the UN recognized them or not.  And as a consequence, the people fighting for them are/were soldiers.

Question: Do you remember the Contras?  Were they soldiers?

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ May 12 2002,00:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So, the founding fathers of the US were terrorists, not soldiers.  They were NOT part of a legitimate government until AFTER the revolutionary war.<span id='postcolor'>

good point, same goes for any revolutionary government

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So, the founding fathers of the US were terrorists, not soldiers. They were NOT part of a legitimate government until AFTER the revolutionary war.

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How can you possibly compare and simplify something that happened more than 200 years ago with something that happened today?

[Tovarish 0]

History repeats, and like it or not, it's a precedent.

Also remember that he US tried to negotiate with the Taliban, and they only declared them an "illegitimate government" after those negotiations didn't go their way

[Sadico 1]

So, if it's done today it's wrong, but if it was done 200 years ago, it was heroic?

I HATE the taliban, i'm really glad they are gone, but even the worse sons of bitches are people and human rights must be applied to'em too.