Dissapointed in the optimization (personal opinion)

[Garfield2010 10]

Let me first ask you this. Apparently you must disable hyperthreading (I have an i7 core 2.8ghz) for better performance. How do I do this?

I am very dissapointed in this game due to the following:-

1. I updated my 4890 card with another one making crossfire because ARMA II while not too bad was not quick enough in my opnion -- result was the same FPS (namely 16 in benchmark one and 37 in benchmark 2)

How is it possible that another card makes zero difference?

I believe I have a reasonable PC so I really feel sorry for the masses who do not.

In other games such as Just cause 2 it made a massive difference..

I have:-

i7 core 2.8Ghz

2 x ATI 4890 cards wioth DDR5 1 Gig each

8 Gig DDR3 memory

Windows 7 (64 bit)

1000 Watt powersupply (85% efficeincy)

P5P577D Pro Asus

2. I think that this game is only for multiplayer. As I live in a country with no bandwith it is a pity because it is near impossible to compete with the AI in this game. They have X-rays and kill you no matter what your approach. When prone as you are most of the time you can see nothing while they see through the grass. The campaigns are near impossible. Or reload 5 times until you have perfected every battle.......

[maddogx 13]

1. Crossfire and SLi are mostly useful for running games at very high resolution, for example on multiple monitors.

2. You can disable Hyperthreading in your BIOS. Do it - it will make a big performance difference.

3. The AI, like almost everything else in the game, are configurable to taste. If they are too hard for you, lower their difficulty settings until you find a level that suits you.

EDIT: I just tried to look around for some info on your motherboard and its BIOS, but the P5P577D Pro doesn't seem to exist. I'm assuming you mean the P7P55D Pro, right?

Edited September 13, 2010 by MadDogX

[Garfield2010 10]

Thanks

In the Bios, is it called hyperthreading?

Regards

[maddogx 13]

Thanks

In the Bios, is it called hyperthreading?

Regards

Maybe, maybe not. That's what I was trying to check (see my edit above), but Googling the board name you posted only brings up this very thread. Normally you can find info about these things on the net, but you need the exact name.

[[frl]myke 14]

BIOS -> Advanced -> CPU Configuration -> Intel ® HT Technology -> Disabled

Ahhh...manuals are such a great invention.

:EDITH:

It also helps to write the board name correctly: P7P55D Pro

[Garfield2010 10]

P7P55D PRO Asus Motherboard

Thanks

It is just that I am a bit tired of messing up a whole weekend in trying to get this bolldy game to run faster. And also a lot of money. New screen card..... oh dear now I need `n new power supply as well...........

Oh no, there is no difference... lets try uninstalling and reinstalling the driver 20 times. Lets try older drivers. Lets restart the PC a total of 200 times during this weekend. Maybe I should change my screencards around. No lets change them back...... blablabla

Get the idea?

[[frl]myke 14]

I feel your pain although experience often reveals that low performance is often (not always) a matter of badly set up PC's.

On the other side, there are several other games that run much better with HT off so not really a ArmA 2 related problem.

[Garfield2010 10]

No offense man but my PC is set up perfectly. The guys over at toms hardware said that ARMA 2 is a badly tuned game when it comes to performance.

In any case. All other games runs like a dream including GTA3 on full settings. Now that has got to say something.

I am not saying ARMA 2 is bad or anything, I just feel the production crew could have made more effort if I look at the message boards etc.......

[Defunkt 431]

The guys over at toms hardware said that ARMA 2 is a badly tuned game when it comes to performance.

Pfft! Compared to what exactly? Whatever it is does it sport a 225km2 terrain occupied by several hundred independently autonomous entities? I consider the performance I enjoy on quite modest hardware a freakin' miracle.

[[frl]myke 14]

No offense man but my PC is set up perfectly.

One dollar for each time i've read such a line. ;)

Don't compare ArmA 2 with "any other game", ArmA 2 is very demanding. May i ask you to post your ingame settings?

[Zipper5 74]

I find that Arma 2 isn't so badly optimized as it is developed for the future, I find. When I was playing OFP on my really old desktop PC I could barely get 20 FPS, but then I got my new laptop and suddenly I had 300 FPS but 20 FPS in ArmA. Then I got my current rig and went to over 100 FPS in ArmA and around 40 - 60 FPS in Arma 2 & OA.

Since they're designed to last a very long time I guess they want you to experience it at an increasingly higher level as time goes on, provided you upgrade a long with it. :p

Speaking of which, I need some more RAM and a new processor...

[Garfield2010 10]

Video is set at very high and the resolution to the highest. If I set it down then it is as if the background starts to blur a little and I cant really see enemies beyond a few hundred metres.

Remember, my issue here is because I really expected the second card to make a difference of some sort. It made none. You can understand my frustrations etc?

[Defunkt 431]

Remember, my issue here is because I really expected the second card to make a difference of some sort. It made none. You can understand my frustrations etc?

Have you renamed your executable to associate it with a profile which is tuned to provide better ArmA performance? If the manufacturer hasn't supplied a profile for arma2oa.exe you might be better off launching it as arma2.exe, I think back in the day SLI users (I'm not one) were launching A2 as crysis.exe. ArmA like all other games on Windows is coded for DirectX not specific hardware setups, it's up to the card's vendor to make good on promises of better performance with dual-GPU's.

[zaira 10]

Let me first ask you this. Apparently you must disable hyperthreading (I have an i7 core 2.8ghz) for better performance. How do I do this?

I am very dissapointed in this game due to the following:-

1. I updated my 4890 card with another one making crossfire because ARMA II while not too bad was not quick enough in my opnion -- result was the same FPS (namely 16 in benchmark one and 37 in benchmark 2)

How is it possible that another card makes zero difference?

I believe I have a reasonable PC so I really feel sorry for the masses who do not.

In other games such as Just cause 2 it made a massive difference..

I have:-

i7 core 2.8Ghz

2 x ATI 4890 cards wioth DDR5 1 Gig each

8 Gig DDR3 memory

Windows 7 (64 bit)

1000 Watt powersupply (85% efficeincy)

P5P577D Pro Asus

2. I think that this game is only for multiplayer. As I live in a country with no bandwith it is a pity because it is near impossible to compete with the AI in this game. They have X-rays and kill you no matter what your approach. When prone as you are most of the time you can see nothing while they see through the grass. The campaigns are near impossible. Or reload 5 times until you have perfected every battle.......

Allot of people told you that you dont buy another 4890 (including me). It would be far better that you spended money on nice cooler and overclock that cpu to 4+GHz.

I think you can have great SP expirience playing with editor or running SP missions from armaholic, and now you biatch about game and performance.

Arma2 is demending game, it renders hughe amaount of detail and AI in arma is not perfect but is by far better than on any other game.

[Garfield2010 10]

Can someone tell me were to find a profile for this game and how do I load it onto CCC?

[[frl]myke 14]

Video is set at very high

Detailed settings please. Click on advanced to finetune your settings. And although your PC is good, very high probably would kill any PC out there.

[WhoCares 0]

Myke;1748205']Detailed settings please. Click on advanced to finetune your settings. And although your PC is good' date=' very high probably would kill any PC out there.[/quote']

What he says, most importantly the resolution(s)!

Also interesting might be your HDD.

[Dwarden 1125]

there was bug with 48xx cards in latest AMD.ATI drivers so they released 10.8b hotfix to address it

http://support-prod.amd.com/us/kbarticles/Pages/ATICatalyst108bHotfix.aspx

also remember hyperthreading / virtual cores are problematic and most people have no issue if they disable them and change cpuCount to proper value of native cores

[Garfield2010 10]

Cool thanks!!!

I do not know the resolution. Will check tonight!

[lockjaw-65- 0]

Hi just looking at this thread and dissabling hyperthreading? does this also include AMD cpu on asus board if so what would that be under in the bios because I cannot find anything for this....

BTW my motherboard is asus crosshair 3 and cpu is AMD phenom 2 x4 955 3.2ghz

Edited September 13, 2010 by LockJaw-65-

[Bomber_c 0]

In any case. All other games runs like a dream including GTA3 on full settings. Now that has got to say something.

That game is 9 years old and most of the time the sky is gray/foggy.

[Medel 10]

i have arma 2 running silky smooth on my system.cpu hyper threading is off.. i think cooling has a lot to do with a systems performance tbh.

specs below.

Main PC:i7 920 3.8Ghz|Asus p6t V2|OCZ platinum 1866Mhz 6Gb|HIS 5970 driver 10.4|Samsung spinpoint F3 1Tb|Samsung 320Gb|Enermax 1050W|Lian Li PC-P80|Custom liquid cooling system|Cpu, Gpu, NB, SB,Mosfets|

good luck

[-)rStrangelove 0]

Any CPU with more than 3.5 Ghz will be good enough to handle ArmA2. Maybe not everything set to MAX (thats for PCs coming out in the next 5years), but good enough to look impressive.

Many gamers MAX everything out in games and then complain about stuttering ... seriously. Why not start with medium settings and see what to set to high before complaining?

[[frl]myke 14]

Hi just looking at this thread and dissabling hyperthreading? does this also include AMD cpu on asus board if so what would that be under in the bios because I cannot find anything for this....

BTW my motherboard is asus crosshair 3 and cpu is AMD phenom 2 x4 955 3.2ghz

Aye, sure, if you can disable Hyperthreading then do so. FPDR

Serious now, HT is Intel-exclusive technology. However, often enough it causes problems (low FPS) in games.

and @Garfield2010

First it was

No offense man but my PC is set up perfectly.

then

In the Bios, is it called hyperthreading?

after that

I do not know the resolution.

No offence but how can a PC being set up perfectly but on some settings you don't even know how and where to tweak them? And FYI, i don't have a Intel CPU nor did i ever had a CPU with HT but i found the setting within minutes on Asus homepage.

So maybe accept that your PC probably isn't setup perfectly. But still everyone surely will try to help to set it up properly.

And last advice, although your PC is good, no doubt, don't even think about to set it at very high with playable FPS. Much better PC's than yours (respectfully) do struggle with very high.

[Garfield2010 10]

Well Myke, thats why I had it done by the guys I bought my PC from 4 months ago. I am only trying to tweak certain settings to try and make this game run faster. Maybe hyperthreading was disabled by the "expert" setting it up hell I dont know. I work 12 hours a day so I dont have time to mess around and experiment like I did last weekend.

It is however funny that this is the ONLY game that has all of these problems of all the games on my PC. This game does have more issues than others in general (look at the forums and complaints accross board) it does not take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

This is also the game that needs the most "tweaking" to make it work properly. Why cant it just run on any mid level PC? You know why? Because it is some sort of training simulation for the US Army and they though lets optimise it for them (and their Operating Systems/Hanrdware) and then release it as well to the public to make a quick buck without worrying too much about varying hardware etc...

Fortunately you guys are here to help the idiots like us. I will try the downloadable single player missions as well thanks.

I am sorry for saying it - please do not take offence once again -- THIS GAME HAS ISSUES and I am only trying to sort them out to best suit my gameplay. And hardware is not the only issues. There are tons of glitches but I am not even complaing about them.

PPS:- This games optimization sucks. Apparently OA is much better optimized. Quoted from Tom's Hardware and apparently they know a thing or two.

PPPPS:- Wil patching the game help with the graphics etc? I am running V1.05.