Amra

This thread reminded me this:

So let’s summarize a bit: 1. Ukraine is under direct rule from Washington. Ukrainians got promises for 1 billion dollars to support their economy, but no real money yet. And it’s about time to claim that orientation towards US and EU gives them absolutely nothing in short and longer perspective if not to count «leaves without figs». 2. Ukrainian economy destroyed. 3. Police and law enforcement system also destroyed. Instead we see random armed bands with sounding name «National Guard». I highly doubt that even 10% of them have knowledge of laws and general legal education. 4. Ukraine is at state of civil war. Eastern people are already claimed to be «separatists», «terrorists» and wear now all kind of other labels. Armed forces from western Ukraine moves to eastern Ukraine. 5. For idiots and scum of all kind this is Putin’s fault and result of Russia’s imperialist policy. Cheers.

There is one detail which makes it hard to talk with you guys. You say something absolutely untrue. Okay - you may be misleaded, nobody knows everything, you don't live in Russia, etc. Then you keep repeating the same thing despite the obvious absurdity, build all your subsequent arguments around this lie. And in a couple of posts your opponents with amusement try to prove they aren't camels but humans. I hope you get the "comparison". Now please tell me who has been imprisoned in Russia for newspaper article critiquing the government?

You may call your leaders scum, and I believe they are. But why do you think we in Russia will ever agree with your low opinion about our leader? Why do we always hear "Putin this, Putin that" from west (hint "far away people that don't know shit about Russia and most of them never been here") with stubbornness worthy the better cause?

LOL, that hurdy-gurdy will spin forever. "Why don't you want NATO bases at your borders?", "Why don't you want missile defense in Eastern Europe?", "Why don't you want your WW2 monuments ruined and your role in WW2 painted in black?", "Why don't you want to become a nation of criminals, who did a lot of crimes against white and fluffies? You should be glad to pay compensations, ruin your country by freeing Chechenia, Tatarstan, Siberia and whatelse, give back lands you take from Germany, Baltic states, Finnland and Japan".

@batto, believe me there wouldn't be 2008 and today's Ukraine's crisis if not america's interest of bringing "democracy and freedom" into these and other ex-USSR states. Which is in fact means raising antirussian moods, unbridled russophobia, NATO bases and CIA prisons for torturing like in Uzbekistan. Putin does everything right by kicking USA far away from our borders. Unfortunately we got Putin tool late - Kosovo happened and Russia wasted 10 years because Yeltsin's government had america's hand in their asses.

Here it is: Whole dialog made me laugh.

Yeah, the nation of alcoholics, drug-addicted and whatelse won last Olympic Games with crushing score.

I feel that conversation will go far. Here you can read how they fought with polish children and unarmed civilians who invaded their land: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia Now what single sentence you would pull out to prove me that OUN/UPA were honest freedom fighters for everything good against everything bad?

I was not answering to you. It was a reply to those who began to shout "he didn't justify bandera's". Actually he did. And I quoted his words.

Wow! "Look at the Nurenberg process documents. Soviet side at that time tried to press western allies to recognize what you're calling bandera's and others that they were killers. Why Nurenberg process didn't recognize that. Why? Because it was falsified. Because ...aaa...bee... the position of that time was not fair" Now read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army and this http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BC%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%B6%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BC_%D0%9E%D0%A3%D0%9D-%D0%A3%D0%9F%D0%90. Btw, western allies didn't recognize this guys as killers too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731. Most of them continued to live and work in USA for example.

Actually there is one question worth answering in a pile of nonsense you wrote. Yuri Sergeev here justifies Bandera and OUN UPA.

Those who you mentioned are under heaviest pressure in Russia. They don't sit in the Parlament, they don't represent Russia in UN. Ukrainians nazis now sit in their Parlament, in free time they beat journalists (as you can see in video with "Svoboda" deputat), they represent country in UN (and justify nazis as Ukrainian representative did), they forbid parties and tried to ban Russian language. What would you compare next? ---------- Post added at 07:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:53 AM ---------- You can google also "dead hand system" -)

As I said - "IMO". There might be like in 2008 Georgians had a lot of NATO equipment. And I don't like the idea to humiliate someone. Hope that those ships would be returned to Ukraine.

IMO some of these ships will be returned to Ukraine after unmount of possible NATO equipment.