Curious about high ranking officers in war

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ChickenHawk @ April 06 2002,22:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Russia was stretched to breaking point in world war 2, the line just, only just held.

I'm pretty sure that the German troops from the Western front combined with the troops from North Africa would have been enough to break them.<span id='postcolor'>

[North Africa would have fallen because we wouldnt get any supplies through if mainland brit fell.]

wrong! what cracked Rommel's attack wasnt brilliant work done by Montgomery or any allied general but the fact that a combination of SF-OP of the british secret service and effective sub war by the brits denied him fuel rendering useless most of his tanks on the eve of el-almein.

if britain fell, of course that would end too, but we know that the germans didnt have the capability of conducting major amph-op of this magnitude.

[Maybe, but he would have better logistics and a far greater number of troops from the whole of the Western front to throw at the Russians.]

maybe he would have more troops but again, not winter equipment, which meant problems of suppling the troops, feeding them, clothing them etc.

it meant also longer and more vulnerable lines of supplies.

[if the Japs never attacked Pearl I think they would have sided with Germany in attacking Russia in the East. They owned China and the Pacific by 1941.]

wrong again, the jap army wasnt ready to fight the russians and actually feared the option of russian interference and because of that a non-aggression pact was signed between japan and USSR.

the soviet army actually defeated the japs in series of battles in siberia in '39. led by marshal Zhukov who later beat the crap out of the germans

[Hitler could also have used his troops from North Africa, Rommel etc.]

answered already.

[burma and India would have fallen and probably Australia and New Zealand.]

by whom? japs or germans?

[You would also have the whole might of the German Navy, the Scharnhost, Bismarck and all the U boats. You would'nt have the code cracked to track them either]

except the U-boats there was no german navy, and the brits did manage to adopt tactics to deal with them

he could use his bombers IF he didnt attack britain in the first place

[Russia was stretched to breaking point in world war 2, the line just, only just held.

I'm pretty sure that the German troops from the Western front combined with the troops from North Africa would have been enough to break them.]

yes and no.

what defeated the germans was first the winter and the late start of operation "barbarosa", in the winter the russians managed to train more troops and to move the factories to the ural area.

the german would probably win more teritorry but thats the whole point of soviet tactics:

"they attack, we fall back

they stop, we harrass,

they hesitate, we attack"

(actually mao said that but it fit the russian tactics.)

in the end the germans would sucumb to the supirior number of men the russians could put on the field.

just take a map of former USSR and look how much the germans captured. small eh?

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Add strategical misconceptions to that, as the shifting from bombing english airfields to terror bombing London and great trust and effort put into the development of "new wonder weapons".

Incompetent Superior Officers were also a factor, as rather than to promote experienced and capable Wehrmacht Officers that were suspicious or criticizing Hitlers plans, loyal NS party members were put into leading roles they were not suited for.

Hitler put himself in charge of the Wehrmacht in 1938 and later of the whole Army, what made his Generals somewhat more of remote puppies receiving Orders than anything else, and Hitler wasn´t a good strategist nor tactist, he was literally uncapable and lost the grip on reality.

This way a great deal of the german army was literally wasted in daring last stance attacks that were doomed to fail from the start considering the personal and equipment available. The most well known example of this is Stalingrad and defeat of the german 6th Army, with Hitler disregarding any advice by some generals to withdraw the troops as it became evident that the attack stalled, low on fuel, ammunition and proper equipment.

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i might add that the "battle of the buldge" is what finally enabled the US,UK etc. to capture part of germany

[Hilandor 1]

please stop the swearing and insults, its understandable why, but will just result in post restrictions

USSoldier11B, ur comments were very insulting and next time its a ban, this is the kinda crap were trying to stop in the forum.

and Bordoy, i see ur knew to the forum, a little tip is to think about what u post before u post it. It saves the endless flames and coutnless apologies after

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USSoldier11B u yanks didn't save us from the germans we already had them beat. u lot only joined because the japs attacked u lot. That story about the yanks in chilwell was told to me by my bro and he knows what he's on about.

what about that CIA agent or Delta Force or sumthing like that was captured by the Taliban or Al Quade and u yanks were to scared so we had to send in the SAS.

[Bordoy 0]

It's not a crime to be American - just f*&$king unlucky!

Nearly two and a half million unnecessary operatios will be performed in America this year. Worse, around 12,000 patients will die on the operating table who shouldn't ave been there.

On average, two unsafe planes land at Chicago's O'Hare airport everyday.

A hopeless 11% of Americans don't know what their president, George W Bush, looks like.

Toilets are named in the cause of 40,000 American accidents each year.

A quarter of Americans don't know their own star sign.

Americans spend $5 billion a year on presents for their pets.

More than 11,000 drooling American simpletons have gone out of their way to pay homage to a tortilla in New Mexico which has a vague likeness of Jesus on it.

Eight hundred Americans are injured every week by their own jewellery.

Only 55% of Americans know that the sun is a star.

The mian library at Indiana University sinks around an inch every year, because it's architects failed to take into consideration the weight of the books it would eventually house.

The Humane Society claim that every year in America 100,000 dogs die after falling out of pick-up trucks.

One American will be killed and eaten by their own pet python every year.

American hospital patients stand a one-in-fifteen chance of contracting an illness while in hospital due to human negligence.

Seven percent of Americans do nt know the first 9 words in their national anthem, but do know the first 7 of the Canadian anthem.

More than 2,500 left-handed people are killed in America every year after using products made for right-handed people.

Twenty two percent of Americans are functionally illiterate.

A colossal 12 million Americans are not able to name Washington DC as their capital city.

There is currently a 56 to 73 percent rate of misdiagnosis amongst interns in American hospitals.

Ok Hilandor i'll stop if the yanks stop. U know cease fire, amricans know that word well.

[Hilandor 1]

k,  ur posting rights are restricted Bordoy

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Considering the latest upcoming of postings with insulting content, how about renaming the "Offtopic" into "F.L.A.M.E.P.I.T", so that everyone knows what he´s about to enter, you can strap on the flame resistant asbestos suit timely this way:D.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bordoy @ April 06 2002,18:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We british soldiers are better then u amrican crap.<span id='postcolor'>

Sadico flame baiting like that will see you leaving the forums very quickly, please don't do it again

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (USSoldier11B @ April 06 2002,19:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Really!!! Then why did we have to save you from the Germans twice you fucking limey. Unless you are in the 22nd SAS, you need to shut the fuck up you slack jawed faggot.<span id='postcolor'>

And flamebaiting like that will also get you banned very quickly, don't do it again.

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what a shame, and we all were having such a jolly history lesson

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The great thing about finding a fresh thread like this and reading from the start is that people who act like fuckwits get told off twice

G'job Hil I was about to remove his posting rights too

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bordoy @ April 06 2002,19:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Denoir u american soldiers came over to england and wouldn't even do the course at Chilwell army base saing "its to hard, we mite get injured" and we british do the course everyday. So i wonder whos getting the hands dirty?

We british soldiers are better then u amrican crap.<span id='postcolor'>

Well for the record.. I am not American .. I'm Swedish!

Second, perhaps I should clarify my earlier post. When I was saying that the British officers didn't like to get their hands dirty, I wasn't in any way taliking about combat. I was saying that they don't like sharing the everyday duties with the enlisted men.

As for who has the best soldiers.. the question is silly. Naturally it is the Swedish. Nobody has dared to attack us well..since 1660 on our territory. We are also very aware of just how good our soldiers are that we havn't started any wars for now soon 200 years... since it would be no sport

Here is btw my old unit patch.. which should remind you of the allmighty Vikings that the whole of Europe feared for quite a long time

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Bordoy @ April 06 2002,23:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">what about that CIA agent or Delta Force or sumthing like that was captured by the Taliban or Al Quade and u yanks were to scared so we had to send in the SAS.<span id='postcolor'>

well there weren't any Americans held prisoner, one CIA agent was killed in a prison riot, and another escaped with the help of Brits because the Americans were elsewhere in the compound

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ April 07 2002,00:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Here is btw my old unit patch.. which should remind you of the allmighty Vikings that the whole of Europe feared for quite a long time

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cool patch! You sure are descendant of Vikings!

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Didnt Britain Join sweden in a Crusade into Finland?

Hmm thats so so offtopic

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Interesting topic!!

Brits were saved from the Yanks. That is a fact.

About Brits having good soldiers. They were kicked even in Cyprus in 1955-59 by E.O.K.A who was mostly made out of highschool kids with low quality guns and no training.

It took them 10 hours to kill only one man. If you have any doubts of what l am telling u can read a history book about it.

That is way crap, l mean 10 yours to kill a guy and he managed to kill a lot. After 10 hours of battling they burned the bunker cause they couldn't do anything else to kill him.

Yes Brits are very good soldiers!!!

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Didnt Britain Join sweden in a Crusade into Finland?

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Hmm.., I don't think so. Finland was a Swedish province until 1809. Our most popular enemies in modern history were Denmark, Russia and some assorted German countries during the 30-year war in Europe.

But we did kick some Dutch/English-alliance ass in 1719

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DodgeME, one incident is hardly enough to calim that brits arent good soldiers

(im sure there are more, but then there are many more success stories also)

Brits saved by yanks? I would say it goes both ways. If America didnt enter the war then we would have been in trouble. And If America did not have the help of Britain when America was involved in the war, then likewise they would have been in trouble.

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"It was St. Henrik who first brought Christianity to Finland and later became the first bishop in the country. Born in England, Henrik was a missionary bishop, who lived in Uppsala. In 1155, King Erik of Sweden together with Henrik organised the so-called first crusade to Finland to spread Christianity and set up parishes there."

Wel lthats what google gave me lol

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Well.. I guess you are right .... if you want to count one British guy as an official British contribution to the cause

[USSoldier11B 0]

I understand that I was out of line. I have a right to be mad though. I'm not mad anymore because that kid is just ignorant. You Europeans need to face the facts though. The American GI saved your countries. If not for us where would you be. Please pay us the respect that we are due. I don't expect people to like the U.S. more than thier own countries. In fact I admire people that have as much pride in thiers that I have in mine. Another thing, I noticed people got all mad when I used the word "limey," oh but it's ok to call me a yank. Yank this and yank that. I do not like being called a yank any more than you like being called a limey. Now they are threatening to ban me?

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Like I said, yes without American support we were facing a grim situation indeed. But then If all of a sudden Britain dropped off the face of the earth, America would be the one in trouble.

Britain did a GREAT deal in world war two, and so did America but saying that "America won the war" and other such sentiments (not necessarily what you said) is huge disrespect for the many thousands of brits that died fighting that war.

Its like saying, you guys dont matter for shit, because America bailed you out and nothing you did before or after that matters.

I know thats probably not what your saying either, but thats what I think of whenever i hear an American say or type "We bailed you guys out of WW2"

As for calling us limeys, i dont think anyone cares about that.

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USSoldier, relax,

some ppl here are Brits and they get offended as much as you get offended when ppl call you yank.

it was that your post was quite a hostile reaction.

also, that kid was a newbie, and there are ppl who think they can act as they wish on cyberspace..just chill out.

[USSoldier11B 0]

I don't disrespect anyone who died in WWII fighting for the allied cause. Even the Russians. Fact is, Britain is a great ally of the U.S. It's just so many people hate us. Why? I personally think that people are jealous of us. Or get mad because they think that we police the rest of the world. If this is the case, your nations need to give more troops and money to NATO and the U.N. so we are not shouldering so much of the burden. Would save me tax $. I just get enraged over the disrepect. Someone tell that "boy" to read up on the Marshall Plan.

I would like to aplogise to the moderators from the UK, because they are usually very fair and unbiased. Plus, I might be OFPN staff soon, so I don't want any bad blood.