Ground deformation [Feature request to BIS]

[CarlGustaffa 4]

And as you can see, the resolution is nowhere near enough for trench usage. A "satchel bag" is, I don't know, about 9-10 kg heavy and omnidirectional? Even if you could flick a switch making it a shaped charge or crater maker, you wouldn't obtain that kind of deformation. 25kg worth of TNT was the heaviest blast we set off (much, considering 5kg was the limit, but our officers loved explosions too :D), and it didn't leave much of a dent in the ground (winter though). We also setup crater makers which did produce a nice crater, but it was like 1 meter wide and 1/2 - 1 meter deep.

[FallujahMedic -FM- 867]

True, but you can concede that its a start. Also, for trenches, I saw this http://www.vimeo.com/4833156

Long time no see Carl (Dom-lite or Dominatrix for A2?)

55769Stang [ODB]

Edited December 26, 2009 by Stang69

[CarlGustaffa 4]

Nice. But with trenches I really meant trenches for infantry which tend to have rather sharp edges where they cut into the ground. Such a boolean cut can also be used to "lower" fortifications and even bunkers into the ground. It's not a boolean operation like in polygonal modeling software, where a lot of new vertices are generated, it "simply" takes away a cut over its surface creating basically a black "void" below it. For a fortification, it's size is between the outer and inner wall of the fortification wall. Collisions might be harder maybe.

Dom-lite or Dominatrix, probably not. Domination can now be scaled down to those levels by mission parameters. It's not suited for public play due to so many restrictions, and on closed games you can already probably achieve the kind of structural "forced" teamplay I was going for. I am working on something similar to be used with Domination, but it won't be as extensive as Dominatrix was.

Since no planes and far less hardware oriented, I'll probably use a different location as a base as well. And obviously with a lot less weapons to choose from and not as fast as Domination.

However, the current problems with the editor hanging every time I alt-tab to i.e. UltraEdit, makes it practically impossible for me to have any work done on it.

[max power 21]

This can all be done with objects above ground.

[FallujahMedic -FM- 867]

an above ground hole?

[max power 21]

an above ground hole?

Yep. A model of a crater or a trench above the terrain. Examples of this can be seen as far back as the OFP days, with the FDF World War 2 mod and the Enhanced Configuration mod. They provide adequate cover and may even be compatible with the AI's pathfinding abilities since they are objects, not messing with the fundamental structure of the terrain.

[johncage 30]

yes, but it's not really hole, just a donut shaped rubble. as the pictures on first page shows, clearly a large yield explosive does not produce a lot of dirt surrounding the crater, but rather blows it out evenly so it spreads all over....and the crater itself is very deep.

[max power 21]

yes, but it's not really hole, just a donut shaped rubble. as the pictures on first page shows, clearly a large yield explosive does not produce a lot of dirt surrounding the crater, but rather blows it out evenly so it spreads all over....and the crater itself is very deep.

Trees don't disappear at 60% of your visibility radius, either. Neither are tyres 20 sided polygonal toroid shapes. What's your point? Some stuff can work 'good enough' to get the relative presence of the thing in while being in a format conducive to other computation.

[dmarkwick 261]

I've seen shallow crater models work reasonably well in OFP/ArmA, good enough for a unit to hide if prone anyway.

[McArcher 0]

2. Such fortifications already exists as objects. You just need to make an engineer team be able to build them, via scripting. I haven't tested how collisions are done, does tank collide (rest on) ground or on placed fortification? I agree that finding good hull down locations in terrain are more difficult than in real terrain. Guessing here (not a tanker), but I think islands with smaller cell sizes helps though.

don't mess digged trenches, which are the hole in the ground with that poor similarity of placeble object in Arma2. These objects are very easily destroyable ingame and thus not effective. Maybe I can somehow edit their strength, then I will like them?.. But where can I do that?

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Looks like someone is at least trying to do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhGfEvxt2Hc

the hole is as it was 50 kg of TNT , lol

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does this work with all maps anywhere?

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True, but you can concede that its a start. Also, for trenches, I saw this http://www.vimeo.com/4833156

Long time no see Carl (Dom-lite or Dominatrix for A2?)

55769Stang [ODB]

looks strange...

he starts moving ground and the hill appears suddenly))

it need more smooth and realistic ground moving))