Left 4 Dead 2 demo out for pre-orderers!

[sic-disaster 311]

How big is the L4D2 demo? Also, is it already out for non-pre-orderers. That was supposed to happen today. :)

It's not out yet. Probably for the Europeans it will be tomorrow the 4th before the demo unlocks.

Damn American times, i was kinda looking forward to playing it tonight.

[Drew 10]

pre order the game and you can play the demo...I dont see why ppl wont take advantage of 10 % discount when you preorder. instead of being 50 $ its 45 $...grant it its only 5 dollars but still a discount is a discount

[Leopardi 0]

it's now open for everyone.

[bangtail 0]

Will this demo disappear like the first one did? I hated the first game, only wished I could've played the demo before buying it... From what I read it'll be more of the same, only this time they'll make it harder to hunker down and defend. The only reason I like zombie games are to think, then fight my way out of the situation...not the mindless bullsh!t this game induces.

I already uninstalled L4D1 so not even touching 2 will suit me just fine.

Yep, if you didn't like the 1st one, you most definitely won't like the 2nd one.

TBH, there is plenty of strategy to be had, just depends how you play and who you play with.

[GoOB 0]

Never played the original L4D for more than two hours - Tried the demo of this one and I must say I rather enjoy it, I only had one person I knew in the group(s) I played the demo through with and that made the whole experience much more fun. I did find that I lost connection alot, felt like I was on XBOX LIVE with all the disconnects.

[sudayev 27]

I've been playing the deme since few hours. it's very hot and quite enjoyable game. This time zombie havoc went down south spanning from Georgia to Louisiana. Yeah, setting and atmosphere is really awesome. Demo mission - The Parish, brings me memories when I was in Mobile, Alabama when the hurricane Ivan hit the Gulf Coast in sept 2004.

You do not have to place any pre orders to play the demo, though. It is free and available on steam.

Honestly I've played L4D1 more than 3 hrs and it was very average for me. Second installment of L4D has a way better atmosphere (depends wht you like:)) and this is still the same game - hack and slash or bash with the red guitar:)) through the undead ranks. Demo is worthy and it free, so..

Nevertheless I prefer free HL2 modification - Zombie Panic Source more then the l4d series. The ZPS is a totally different game (more sneaking, more barricading) , team oriented as well.

So the premiere is scheduled on 17th of Nov, zombies in the soutland, heck i'm in.

[maddogx 13]

Played the L4D2 demo for about an hour yesterday and am pleasantly surprised. I liked the first L4D, played it actively for about six months, but this is even better. I like the wider variety of weapons and items you can use, aswell as the new special infected classes. I'm thinking this game will have a lot more replayability value than the first installment.

[Leopardi 0]

Played the L4D2 demo for about an hour yesterday and am pleasantly surprised. I liked the first L4D, played it actively for about six months, but this is even better. I like the wider variety of weapons and items you can use, aswell as the new special infected classes. I'm thinking this game will have a lot more replayability value than the first installment.

Not to mention the realism mode which will be in full game.

[maddogx 13]

Not to mention the realism mode which will be in full game.

Yeah, I'm wondering what that will be like. I played expert mode with a couple of friends yesterday and it was already pretty hard. If realism mode is really as hardcore as I imagine, it will be virtually impossible to complete a campaign. :)

[Soldier of Anarchy 10]

I tried the demo, and it does feel like more of the same to me. I would like to see what realism mode is all about...I don't believe games should be made intentionally hard / impossible just to call it a new mode , so I hope thats not the case here. After all, how do you get realism from a game where you shoot a teammate in the head and he just says " I'm gonna kick your ass if you do that again"....+ Desert Eagle's with infinite ammo...what is this L4D or 4chan???

Sudayev

I enjoy ZPS to , a game that uses teamwork ,and lets you get back at the teammates who let you die. They are totally different games, and thats probably why I favor it over L4D.

[bangtail 0]

I tried the demo, and it does feel like more of the same to me. I would like to see what realism mode is all about...I don't believe games should be made intentionally hard / impossible just to call it a new mode , so I hope thats not the case here. After all, how do you get realism from a game where you shoot a teammate in the head and he just says " I'm gonna kick your ass if you do that again"....+ Desert Eagle's with infinite ammo...what is this L4D or 4chan???

Sudayev

I enjoy ZPS to , a game that uses teamwork ,and lets you get back at the teammates who let you die. They are totally different games, and thats probably why I favor it over L4D.

After hearing you guys discuss ZPS, I downloaded it and tried it last night. The "community" is a bunch of 10 year olds (or 40 somethings acting like 10 year olds). After being called a noob about 20 times, I left and deleted it.

Way to encourage new players :mad:

[maddogx 13]

After hearing you guys discuss ZPS, I downloaded it and tried it last night. The "community" is a bunch of 10 year olds (or 40 somethings acting like 10 year olds). After being called a noob about 20 times, I left and deleted it.

Way to encourage new players :mad:

Well, to be fair, L4D players can be similarly unforgiving - and I count myself guilty in that respect. When you're playing expert mode with two friends and one slot open to a pubber, it can be extremely frustrating if he's a noob who doesn't know what he's doing. People really need to learn the games specific "dos and don'ts" before they jump into the game, so I imagine it's similar in ZPS.

I tried the demo, and it does feel like more of the same to me. I would like to see what realism mode is all about...I don't believe games should be made intentionally hard / impossible just to call it a new mode , so I hope thats not the case here.

I don't think you should judge L4D2 so quickly, especially the new realism mode - which, to my knowledge, no one has seen yet. Overall, yes it basically is more of the same, though I don't see how that's a bad thing. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

After all, how do you get realism from a game where you shoot a teammate in the head and he just says " I'm gonna kick your ass if you do that again"....+ Desert Eagle's with infinite ammo...what is this L4D or 4chan???

Well, in expert mode shooting a team mate in the head is already going to down him (though not kill him outright), so I'm assuming the realism mode will take this a step further. Pistols with infinite ammo is really just a game balancing thing. L4D isn't trying to be uber realistic, so why judge it on realism?

[bangtail 0]

Well, to be fair, L4D players can be similarly unforgiving - and I count myself guilty in that respect. When you're playing expert mode with two friends and one slot open to a pubber, it can be extremely frustrating if he's a noob who doesn't know what he's doing. People really need to learn the games specific "dos and don'ts" before they jump into the game, so I imagine it's similar in ZPS.

Never experienced anything like that in L4D/L4D2 although I am not contending it never happens.

Secondly, the ZPS community should be trying to encourage new players, not annoying them so much in the first 5 minutes that they leave and never return.

I agree with you about realism. Are we seriously going to start debating "realism" in a Zombie shooter?

Get a grip FFS.

Eth

[Leopardi 0]

Are we seriously going to start debating "realism" in a Zombie shooter?

Get a grip FFS.

Eth

Of course. Realism = Immersion. And in a zombie shooter immersion = funnier play experience.

[bangtail 0]

Of course. Realism = Immersion. And in a zombie shooter immersion = funnier play experience.

I don't think you understand what I meant.

Anyway, moving on :p

[ArchangelSKT 0]

Great feedback so far I look forward to the game even more now, and if I am not mistaken the expert setting is harder then the one in L4D as well, so besides realism mode we get a much harder game.

I for one welcome that, I played my very first campaign on normal, then one on advanced and the rest on expert, and to be fair I only find the finals difficult on expert in the first game, thats why I enjoy survival cause you know no matter how good you are you will bite the dust in the end.

[Drew 10]

When I do play Campaign, I only play on expert, the harder it is the faster you learn how to play. I dont see much of a difference between expert in L4d and L4d2 tho , the hordes of zombies are a little more spread out but I dunno, I cant really tell a difference, the first night I played the demo on Expert I got to the 2nd safe room with outdieing :(,grant it I had a good team :D

[sudayev 27]

After hearing you guys discuss ZPS, I downloaded it and tried it last night. The "community" is a bunch of 10 year olds (or 40 somethings acting like 10 year olds). After being called a noob about 20 times, I left and deleted it.

Way to encourage new players :mad:

ZPS is more challenging than L4D. I was called n00b many times when I started my adventure with this game. I was asking myself and realized that other had reason to call me a noob.

There are several rules you have to comply in order to stay alive and extend you teammates survivability. I can say it is a school of hard knocks and some people may find it discouraging and boring. After some practice you will noctice other people acting pro-survivor and then you start to experience best team oriented game ever, especially on objective type maps.

Few examples of noob behavior in ZPS:

- Picking up all types of ammo and not sharing with mates. Eventually noob dies as he cannot run fast, after his death all ammo he carries remains on zombie controlled area. This is the usual type of noob behavior.

- They tend to barricade vital locations leaving mates exposed to zombie attacks. Yay! I'm first ,so I better barricade myself really good. I dont give a damn about others.

- They play with remote doors, shutters and thus invite zombies to come over. I love playing with switches, time to let zombies in!

- Throwing grenades towards well built barricades. Lets check how strong this barricade is. Booom! No barricades, zombies get all over the place.

- While being a zombie they kill infected humans. Yes! One more frag and my cock will grow larger!

- Noob learns about the game physics by hitting others with heavy objects. How much you can take with a big sofa on your head ?

- Noobs often stay away from group, which make them an easy zombie snack.

- They block passages or build barricades inadequatly. Aint nothing like a large obstacle on your way!

- They use med kits with only 5HPs lost, while heavily wounded could make better use of them first aid. I have scratched finger, call 911!

- Wasting ammo on leg shots. Screw head shots. (this aint no Resident Evil 4)

- Explosive barrels. Why not shoot them for fun! Yay! Kaboom!

- Insted using *push* on heavy objects they hit these with melee weapon. Sorry man but it wont budge.

So.. Some people have very big problems with understanding these basic rules, no wonder they got discouraged.

[Alex72 1]

That game is really funny - for a month. Then it gets very very repetitive. I think those who really looked forward to it from start hoped for a little more game? I must say i really enjoyed the first one with my mates, but only for a short while.

Maybe the second one will have a little more depth. :)

[bangtail 0]

ZPS is more challenging than L4D. I was called n00b many times when I started my adventure with this game. I was asking myself and realized that other had reason to call me a noob.

There are several rules you have to comply in order to stay alive and extend you teammates survivability. I can say it is a school of hard knocks and some people may find it discouraging and boring. After some practice you will noctice other people acting pro-survivor and then you start to experience best team oriented game ever, especially on objective type maps.

Few examples of noob behavior in ZPS:

- Picking up all types of ammo and not sharing with mates. Eventually noob dies as he cannot run fast, after his death all ammo he carries remains on zombie controlled area. This is the usual type of noob behavior.

- They tend to barricade vital locations leaving mates exposed to zombie attacks. Yay! I'm first ,so I better barricade myself really good. I dont give a damn about others.

- They play with remote doors, shutters and thus invite zombies to come over. I love playing with switches, time to let zombies in!

- Throwing grenades towards well built barricades. Lets check how strong this barricade is. Booom! No barricades, zombies get all over the place.

- While being a zombie they kill infected humans. Yes! One more frag and my cock will grow larger!

- Noob learns about the game physics by hitting others with heavy objects. How much you can take with a big sofa on your head ?

- Noobs often stay away from group, which make them an easy zombie snack.

- They block passages or build barricades inadequatly. Aint nothing like a large obstacle on your way!

- They use med kits with only 5HPs lost, while heavily wounded could make better use of them first aid. I have scratched finger, call 911!

- Wasting ammo on leg shots. Screw head shots. (this aint no Resident Evil 4)

- Explosive barrels. Why not shoot them for fun! Yay! Kaboom!

- Insted using *push* on heavy objects they hit these with melee weapon. Sorry man but it wont budge.

So.. Some people have very big problems with understanding these basic rules, no wonder they got discouraged.

Acting childishly and calling people names (even when they are new) is plain stupid. If someone is clearly acting in a disruptive manner, that's one thing but if people are trying your mod out, it's infinitely more productive to help them enjoy the game rather than acting like a spoiled child.

This type of behaviour doesn't surprise me at all and it's why we keep our gaming "clique" private. The online gaming community is full of self absorbed little snapperheads who think they are god's gift to the world because they know how to play one obscure mod or another or one mainstream shooter or another.

When I encounter this type of player "en masse", I simply make a mental note of the game and avoid it.

When it comes to ZPS, I did nothing "n00bish". I logged in and was verbally attacked (as were several others) by 3 guys who obviously thought that despite the fact that they are probably woefully inadequate IRL, they can act "tough" on the interwebz.

At the end of the day, you WANT people to enjoy the mod because it helps to make it that much more successful. The unpleasant attitude I encountered within the first 30 seconds of playing ZPS has pretty much assured I won't be playing it again.

JM2C

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That game is really funny - for a month. Then it gets very very repetitive. I think those who really looked forward to it from start hoped for a little more game? I must say i really enjoyed the first one with my mates, but only for a short while.

Maybe the second one will have a little more depth. :)

It succeeds because you can jump in and have a romp whenever you like and it is pretty much always different.

Sure, it's not the "Tolstoy" of gaming by any stretch but it is a hell of a good laugh and a nice, light distraction.

[Soldier of Anarchy 10]

I imagine like most games ,it's all about your team and server you play on. Pick the wrong server and any game will suck. It helps to know which servers to play on, usually a server with active adult admins are the best....they are the only kind I play on.

As for teams, 24 people on 1 server tend to have good and bad players. When playing as humans you aren't stuck with the bad players for long ;)

I just think "survival horror" triggers something inside me ,where I want to use all the options I can think of. Unfortunately this turns me off from games that give me only 1 option....follow this path ,don't deviate, don't think....this is the same reason I can't stand the COD series anymore.

If a proper zombie mod could be made for ARMA2 or GTA4 *FPS MOD* I think I'd be in heaven.

*modded to be a first person view*

[sudayev 27]

When it comes to ZPS, I did nothing "n00bish". I logged in and was verbally attacked (as were several others) by 3 guys who obviously thought that despite the fact that they are probably woefully inadequate IRL, they can act "tough" on the interwebz.

At the end of the day, you WANT people to enjoy the mod because it helps to make it that much more successful. The unpleasant attitude I encountered within the first 30 seconds of playing ZPS has pretty much assured I won't be playing it again.

Dont blame it on ZPS, such thing might have happened in any game. There are always some nitwits whose only goal is to disrupt other peoples joy of gaming.

Par example in online Ofp or Arma some yoyos were shooting every teammate in the team, I managed to get to the flag when when I got hit by a friendly, happily sniping 400 meters away. Another server - same situation Guy was blowing up mission vital equipment like helos or tanks by planting satchels and blowing them up. Server change usually helps, if not - then give up the game for a few hrs or days and check back again ;)

It's so typical, every team game (usually fps) has its own mentally defficient players not matter if this is a OFp, quake wars, zps. Whats interesting is the fact that you wont experience any disruptive behaviors in fpp deatchmatch games like Quake Live, where you have shoot everything that moves :)

[bangtail 0]

Dont blame it on ZPS, such thing might have happened in any game. There are always some nitwits whose only goal is to disrupt other peoples joy of gaming.

Par example in online Ofp or Arma some yoyos were shooting every teammate in the team, I managed to get to the flag when when I got hit by a friendly, happily sniping 400 meters away. Another server - same situation Guy was blowing up mission vital equipment like helos or tanks by planting satchels and blowing them up. Server change usually helps, if not - then give up the game for a few hrs or days and check back again ;)

It's so typical, every team game (usually fps) has its own mentally defficient players not matter if this is a OFp, quake wars, zps. Whats interesting is the fact that you wont experience any disruptive behaviors in fpp deatchmatch games like Quake Live, where you have shoot everything that moves :)

You've got me all wrong, I'm not blaming it on ZPS. I'm blaming it on members of the ZPS community.

Are there people like that in every gaming community? Most assuredly.

I wasn't trying to single out ZPS. I was simply commenting on my experiences after trying it based on a few recommendations in this thread.

As I stated previously, I won't even play OFP/A1/A2 with "outsiders". I've learned from too many bad experiences.

[Drew 10]

They changed release date from Nov 17th to Nov 16th :D