Just had a wow moment

[dayglow 2]

I was just playing the PMC (?) Fury campaign and I was in the 4th or so mission where I was to patrol around the newly aquired airbase. Anyways I was moving around when my squad came into contact just outside a village and I dropped prone. I shot one guy, but the rest of the enemy where hidden from my view in a roll in the ground. Now here I was contiplating what to do, too far to throw a gernade, to I crawl forward, wait for them to come to me, stand up and sprint to a new position...etc, etc.

While I was doing this a Gunship that was flying over the base came overhead and just let loose with it's chain gun, what an awesome sight, the ground exploded in smoke and the Russian squad was taken out. Nice. This is why I love this game. It wasn't scripted in, it just happened.

Little things like in the mission before it was a night mission where I was on guard duty. Now there was a bug in the mission because it wouldn't end. (prop a enemy in the woods that wasn't killed, but I wasn't going to go looking) I was waiting for the mission to end so I turned up the acc. time and was looking at the watch. Did you know the hands on the watch are fully modeled? The minute hand smoothly tracks around minute by minute, conected to the second hand sweep. I mean they could have just coded it so that it jumps ahead a minute every time the second hand hits 12, but they actually took the time to get the sweep of the hands right! Again the details of this game are amazing.

COLINMAN

[Aculaud 0]

I know exactly what you mean. I had a "moment" the other day too.

I was playing an official campeign mission "guardian", and we had laid down all the mines, and i was in the bushes waiting for the tanks to come down the road. I had laid a couple mines about 20 meters ahead of where my leader was laying them down, and then i put the last one about 150 meters up the road from that.

When the tanks came, the t80 got blown to fragments, and the t72s started swerving around. One hit a mine and blew up, and by this time i had been ordered to start taking them out myself. So i got up, got my LAW launcher out and got a tank in my sights. I fired a rocket at it as it was moving away from me, and right as the rocket hit it, it must have hit some mines at the same time, because it was lifted off the ground by the blast and was completely destroyed. I am almost for sure that it hit a mine at that time, because of the dammage done to it, but it looked to me like the LAW i fired at it did that. It was the coolest way iv ever taken out a tank.

[USSoldier11B 0]

yeah, don't you love it when you are cowering on the slope of a hill because you are out of laws, and just as the T-72, etc.. comes over the top and is bearing down on you, it gets nailed by a hellfire. Thank God for air support. It also amazes me when you get shot three or four times and don't die, but you still complete the objective and have to crawl to the evac point.

[Aculaud 0]

yeah, thank god for air support

[John C Flett 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I mean they could have just coded it so that it jumps ahead a minute every time the second hand hits 12, but they actually took the time to get the sweep of the hands right! <span id='postcolor'>

You know I only just noticed that at midnight the date also advances on the watch.

OFP is just an amazing game because it is so varied and unpredictable. I was surprised in the last OFP network poll replay value didn't score more highly. You can play some missions a dozen times and still see new things and almost a year on I'm sure I've not seen everything this game can offer.

Is OFP the richest game environment ever created?

[eskimo jackson 0]

i mean , it wasnt OFP that taught me the lesson but the movie saving private ryan. 'never go in first'

anyways , apply that rule in ofp and you ll make through to the next mission. reconaisance (sp?) is important !

so i am in this tank mission of the red hammer campaign. the one were you are supposed to free a tank crew in a village ahead.

a bit outside the city i stop to have a closer look. damn, it is full of tanks. i mean , there are heaps ! and i am a gunner with only a somehow silly driver under my command. dunno, i always found it hard to give the forward , left, right , whatever orders as those drivers tend of have a will of their own.. anyways, aligned to the village i drive back and fourth , keeping my distance and pounding the hellout of that place. jeeps. tanks, soldiers... and i think: nope i dont want to be down there right now ..

a quick strike that took out most of the armor . well, i had to save the game .. dont ask .. its this girlfriend thing again but tomorrow mornng on my day off i know what to do.

give em some HEAT and rush in to free the hostages.. if i havent killed them yet ..:)

btw. i bought some US game magazin today and they dont like ofp at all. whats with that ? theri attetude is 'realism my ass' .. guess they lost themselves a paying customer

[Sith 0]

Lemme guess....PC Gamer?

Do yourself a favour and dont come close to that mag...ever again

[madmike 0]

PC GAMER UK gave it a good review.

That magazine got me interested in this game which I wouldnt have know about.

I then got the demo from that magazine a few months later and wow.

I think OFP got game of the month, its on the cover at the bottom left

[morbid 0]

OFP has a lot of cool unscripted moments.

In one mission (can't rmember which) I had to take out some shilkas. I had already got the first one and was preparing to take out the second but it spotted me and my squad.

I order everyone to get down and crawled as close as I could. Its gun was aimed towards and I knew that as soon as I got up to fire my LAW it was gonna nail me.

So....I order one of my men to run right across its field of view.

He started to run, with dust flying up at his feet as it poured tonnes of lead his way, then I took the shot and BOOM.

I got it, and my decoy soldier wasn't even harmed .

[Placebo 29]

Not sure if this qualifies as a wow moment but for me it does, when you're playing coop, suddenly you're reloading or switching weapons or something and you see an enemy soldier has a bead on you, just as you think "shit I'm dead" you hear a shot and the enemy soldier is dead, you turn around and look at the team mate that just saved your life, for a split second it really does feel like he's saved your life....and of course the opposite feels great too when you save your team mates life

[dayglow 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sith @ Mar. 28 2002,11:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Lemme guess....PC Gamer?

Do yourself a favour and dont come close to that mag...ever again <span id='postcolor'>

I don't mind PC Gamer, they don't like OFP, but that's their opinion. They do back it up though. They stated they didn't like it because it was too realistic. I know a lot of people that would agree. They went through the first 2 campaign missions without seeing anyone or firing a shot, which does happen sometimes and is realistic. For some they want to be the action hero and they state that and have no problem saying so.

So their opinion is different than mine on this one, so what? I think most of their reviews are fair and is great to read with other game mags, you get a balance in the different reviews. One guy likes a part and says why while another doesn't and says why. Overall I like PC Gamer and CGW both and read both.

COLINMAN

[Die Alive 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DayGlow @ Mar. 28 2002,13:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They went through the first 2 campaign missions without seeing anyone or firing a shot, which does happen sometimes and is realistic.<span id='postcolor'>

How bout in Half-Life, you don't fire a shot or anything until you get the crow bar, and then you're only killing head crabs. And HL won game of the year...

I wouldn't mind if PC Gayer said OFP sucked and left it as is.  But to name Ghost Recon as Game of the Year, that just pissed me off.     I used to buy PC Gayer alot, but not any more.  I will look at it, but won't guy it anymore.

-=Die Alive=-

[Placebo 29]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DayGlow @ Mar. 28 2002,19:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't mind PC Gamer, they don't like OFP, but that's their opinion. They do back it up though. They stated they didn't like it because it was too realistic.<span id='postcolor'>

The problem with that though is the reviewer based the review on his personal bias, that IMO is wrong. Would someone who absolutely loathes cricket review a cricket game? No. Would someone who detests RTS' review this weeks new C&C game? No.

So why didn't they look around the office, explain the premise of Opf and ask who was up for it? Is that not the way reviews should be done? I'm sorry but this review simply doesn't stand up, until I hear otherwise I will continue to believe that this "review" team are bought and paid for by Redstorm.

[Hilandor 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Die Alive @ Mar. 28 2002,21:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and then you're only killing head crabs. And HL won game of the year...<span id='postcolor'>

lolol class now thats what i call a review -]]

[Aculaud 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DayGlow @ Mar. 28 2002,20:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They stated they didn't like it because it was too realistic.<span id='postcolor'>

this just makes me laugh. It also makes me believe what placebo was saying about that review team being bribed.

Ghost recon is even more realistic than OFP is in some ways. Come to think about it, the only way Ghost Recon isnt more realistic than OFP is simply how you cant go everywhere on the maps. So to put OFP down because they thought it was too realistic, and then naming Ghost recon game of the year seems hypocritical to say the least.

[madmike 0]

Its funney, they always complain about a game not being realistic and when you give them it, they dont like it becuase its "too realistic".

Does PC gamer have its own forum?

If it does Im up for going on it and making a "flashpoint is the best and you cant review topic"

[Tales_From_Topographic_Oceans 0]

One time, me and a RED came face to face. I came around the corner and there he was. He had his AK74 on his shoulder. He immediately reached for his weapon; I was out of ammo and had to load--bad situation. It was like the Old Wild West and the "fast draw." I was faster and got him.

[Placebo 29]

Mike perhaps just me but your avatar was real slow to load just then, plus it's actually a fullsize image compressed to fit, feel free to use this http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ps/virtualave/sas_badge.jpg

[SpaceAlex 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Aculaud @ Mar. 28 2002,21:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ghost recon is even more realistic than OFP is in some ways.<span id='postcolor'>

Ghost Recon more realistic. hmmm. I don't agree with you. It can't be more realistic. You can't even see your gun. GR trailer looked so good, but the game is crap. Pretty cheap.

[madmike 0]

Thanks again placebo, hows it now?

I remember when I was attacking a small group of houses near some woods(cant remember the mission name ) and I got shot, so I reported to the officer and a medic ran over to me.

He lent over me apply the bandage and was shot. It was a realy wierd feeling because I never expected it.

Also I remember playing the demo and I got to the top of that small hill and was looking down on the first town we had to attack.

The BMP spotted me and fired a shot which missed me me made tuffs of earth go straight passed my head.

[WKK Gimbal 0]

It always makes me feel sad when a medic is busy patching someone up and then gets shot in the head. It makes no sense.

[SpaceAlex 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WKK Gimbal @ Mar. 28 2002,23:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It always makes me feel sad when a medic is busy patching someone up and then gets shot in the head. It makes no sense.<span id='postcolor'>

[dayglow 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (placebo @ Mar. 28 2002,13:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DayGlow @ Mar. 28 2002,19:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't mind PC Gamer, they don't like OFP, but that's their opinion. They do back it up though. They stated they didn't like it because it was too realistic.<span id='postcolor'>

The problem with that though is the reviewer based the review on his personal bias, that IMO is wrong. Would someone who absolutely loathes cricket review a cricket game? No. Would someone who detests RTS' review this weeks new C&C game? No.

So why didn't they look around the office, explain the premise of Opf and ask who was up for it? Is that not the way reviews should be done? I'm sorry but this review simply doesn't stand up, until I hear otherwise I will continue to believe that this "review" team are bought and paid for by Redstorm.<span id='postcolor'>

Do you really think Red Storm came in and said, "Allright we want game of the year and we will give X amount of $ to do it."?

I'm sorry but I don't buy the conspiracy theory that game mags are 'bought' by game producers. I do think that they can be biased towards a game and I'm not arguing that. Are al the fans of GR bought as well. It is a pretty popular game. Why? Because it is different than OFP. I enjoy it, I play it. Is it better or worse than OFP? I don't compare the games because there are differences. If I had to choose which one I'd keep out of the two, it would be OFP. Does this mean I don't like GR, no.

I can see why PC Gamer picked GR as the game of the year. It is fun, you are in the action pretty quick and it has a totally different playing style. Instead of having a guy that packs a AR, MG, and a GR/rocket launcher and swithing between the them, you have guys on your team that carry them and you switch between the men. Myself I like to stick to one guy and that's one reason I like OFP better, but others enjoy that playing style. The environment in GR is fantastic. Not as wide open as OFP, but much more detailed and alive.

Like I said it comes down to an opinion and PC Gamer has one. They backed it up, it wasn't the OFP Sux and GR rox that you get in forums, but they stated the reasons why they chose it. I disagree with them, but that doesn't make me say they are in a certain Producers pocket. Why where the last few R6 games in the mag given luckwarm reviews. They felt they were 'more of the same' without much improvement. GR on the other hand did take the series forward.

And hey, you are entitled to your opinion too, even if I think it is wrong

COLINMAN

[Placebo 29]

No I wouldn't imagine Redstorm would hand them a wad of cash for a good review, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if advertising revenue was a large factor. As for GR advancing the genre I definitely disagree, I played it to the end and it was generic dirge, no new ideas at all, sure the trees and plants looked nice moving in the wind but that was the only thing, thankfully it only took me about 13 hours to complete so I'll never have to touch it again

[dayglow 2]

How would explain there reviews of other producers games. I mean they have been pretty hard on EA, EDIOS, SEIRRA, etc in the past. Two large hyped games from EA recently have had really bad reviews. Look at Majestic, it was being previewed to death and being said by a lot of different sources that it was going to change how we played games, ie the game playing us. Then the review. They hated it and rightly so. I couldn't stand the free chapter and now it's gone because people didn't like it either. That's a lot of money out of EA's pocket, yet they still advertise in the mag. Motor city online is another example of a game that was going to make moves. Again it bombed in the review. Hell I've seen them and CGW mocking the ads in their magazines.

I tend to agree on their thoughts on OFP about the arcadyness getting in the way of a good game. I don't particuallary like flying the planes and helicopters, coming from a flight sim background, they just don't work for me. Same with the tank battles. The target calling buffer bug killed it for me. But I do think it's a huge step forward to inclued these things and to do them as well as they did.

COLINMAN