WKK Gimbal 0 Posted March 24, 2002 Everyone seem to want the SAW or FN Minimi as it's called, in OFP. Well, I've been working on one for my UNPROFOR campaign and all it really needs is some tweaking and ofcourse a custom model (at the moment it's represented by the PK). I'm considering to release it seperately, but it still needs a couple of tweaks, for which I could use a little help, if the addon is to be completely realistic. Does anyone have a good recording of it's firing sound? (I remember in Project IGI it had this cool *FLAP-FLAP-FLAP* sound, but don't know if that's realistic) Does anyone have a picture or drawing showing how the ironsight looks, when looking through it? Cheers, Gimbal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XtremeX19 0 Posted March 24, 2002 give me an hour and ill have everything u ask for...... and maybe (MAYBE) more...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XtremeX19 0 Posted March 24, 2002 aight, that sound for IGI should b correct, cause a SAW is ment to b quieter than a normal gun, and is said to have *Flap* like sound..... so that sound should work, i think. im still looking for a pick of the sights, but i cant find any.... im looking for a good pick of the gun from a certain angle which might give u an idea of what it looks like.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted March 24, 2002 This pic doesn't show the iron sight from looking through it but it pretty much shows it all from the front which may be of use............. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted March 24, 2002 Some more stuff which may or may not be of use....... 9mb wmv movie of M249 being fired "BIG JIM'S MACHINEGUN SANCTUARY" (basically lots of movies of big people firing big guns ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted March 24, 2002 This is prolly the best one to get a good listen to the sound of it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Major Fubar 0 Posted March 24, 2002 From the pic above the HK iron sight would be fairly similar, if you didn't want to create a whole new sight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted March 24, 2002 Yup that was my thoughts too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Assault (CAN) 1 Posted March 24, 2002 Gimbal, I could kiss you! One thing that the vids and the pics don't show is the 200 round ammo box for the SAW. If you are going to model it, don't colour the box green. Green box = blank rounds, Black box = live rounds. The SAW can also accept 30 round M-16 magazines IRL. Hope This Helps For the history of the Minimi go here. The pics above are of the modern American M-249 SAW. The original factory version looks different. In the early years of American usage, the SAW looked like the factory version. So in 85' it looked like this: Good luck Gimbal! Tyler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eskimo jackson 0 Posted March 24, 2002 not a sound or the iron sight but .. hmm cant resist ripped from here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Assault (CAN) 1 Posted March 24, 2002 Looks like I beat you to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eskimo jackson 0 Posted March 24, 2002 well , you cant have enough of them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Assault (CAN) 1 Posted March 24, 2002 Gimball, I found out what the open sights look like. HTH Here's a more detailed view of the rear sight: Tyler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eh remraf 0 Posted March 24, 2002 Heres a close up view of the sights on the M249 (Note, SS taken from UT Mod INF 2.87 http://infiltration.sentrystudios.com ) Heres a link of what it would look like firing the the M249 http://infiltration.sentrystudios.com/files....e&id=96 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WKK Gimbal 0 Posted March 24, 2002 WOW! Thanks alot guys, this stuff is really helpful! I'll try and make this bugger as close to real life as possible! Regarding the ammo count... as far as I know, only the belt feed has 200 rounds, while the box ammo only holds 100 rounds - isn't that true? Right now I've given it 100, but if the box can actually hold 200... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Major Fubar 0 Posted March 24, 2002 The box is definitely 200 rounds... check out this page. (Has lots of good info on the M249). </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FAS Military Ananlysis Network @ John Pike)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The M249 is interesting because while its standard ammunition feed is by 200 round disintegrating belts,it is also capable of firing ammunition from standard M16 magazines inserted in a magazine well in the bottom of the SAW. Ammunition is fed into the weapon from a 200-round ammunition box holding a disintegrating metallic split-link belt. The SAW also has an alternating feeding method using 20- and 30-round M16 rifle magazines. <span id='postcolor'> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Jub-Jub Bird 1 Posted March 24, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WKK Gimbal @ Mar. 24 2002,03:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Does anyone have a good recording of it's firing sound? (I remember in Project IGI it had this cool *FLAP-FLAP-FLAP* sound, but don't know if that's realistic)<span id='postcolor'> The IGI guys recorded the sounds for all their weapons from the real things at target ranges...the 'flapping' is accurate. Jubs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WKK Gimbal 0 Posted March 24, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Major Fubar @ Mar. 24 2002,16:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The box is definitely 200 rounds... check out this page. (Has lots of good info on the M249). </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FAS Military Ananlysis Network @ John Pike)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The M249 is interesting because while its standard ammunition feed is by 200 round disintegrating belts,it is also capable of firing ammunition from standard M16 magazines inserted in a magazine well in the bottom of the SAW. Ammunition is fed into the weapon from a 200-round ammunition box holding a disintegrating metallic split-link belt. The SAW also has an alternating feeding method using 20- and 30-round M16 rifle magazines. <span id='postcolor'><span id='postcolor'> It's been changed to 200 Good, as it also makes the weapon more unique. Besides, I've also made it able to use M16 mags from dead soldiers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eh remraf 0 Posted March 24, 2002 Gimbal, heres some sounds you can use. http://www.ofpleague.com/eh_remraf/saw.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WKK Gimbal 0 Posted March 24, 2002 I got the original magazine info from this site: http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg17-e.htm It seems to be totally incorrect on several specs. It says 1000 rpm (cyclic), while fas.org says 725 rpm. I assume fas.org is correct... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WKK Gimbal 0 Posted March 24, 2002 fas.org says a standard mg'ers loadout would be 3 boxes of ammo, giving 600 rounds. OFP's M60 MG'er has 5x100 rounds, so I'm wondering if it would be more balanced to only give the Minimi soldier 3 boxes as default (like real life), even though he has slots for 5. I think this would be more balanced too... he'd still have 100 rounds more than the standard MG'er and could always look for ammo boxes. What's the general oppinion on power-play? Another thing: It would be easy to make the short barrel version too, based on the standard. A shorter barrel and stock. It's disadvantage would be less accurate fire, while it's advantage could be the ability to carry a LAW on the back at the same time... how does that sound? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Denwad 0 Posted March 24, 2002 Make an Assault version, with the "Patented C-Mag Advantage!" Yeah! Your Idea, Short Barrel, Folding stock, and C-Mag! Less accuracy but Minimi, Law, and a couple of grenades to fill in the Magazine void. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJFLY 1 Posted March 24, 2002 how goes the mod gimbal?, i'm begiging you man to relase this seperately as part of a us un squad, as like a teaser, man i';m crying this so good ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Assault (CAN) 1 Posted March 24, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It says 1000 rpm (cyclic), while fas.org says 725 rpm.<span id='postcolor'> I have used the weapon myself (C9) and would agree with FAS. The cyclic rate depends on the setting of the gas regulator. (it is located at the front, directly under the barrel) The regulator has only two settings, 'normal' and 'adverse'. As the gas tube becomes clogged with carbon, the rate of fire begins to slow down. The operator would then flip the gas regulator from 'normal' to 'adverse' which would allow more gas into the gas tube to allow the cyclic rate to speed up again. So the rate of fire can vary from 750 RPM to 950 RPM. HTH Tyler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Assault (CAN) 1 Posted March 24, 2002 When someone gets issued a C9 in Canada they usually get: 1 C9 (M-249 SAW), 1 cleaning/spareparts kit, and 1 spare barrel. The ammo gets issued in the field, I usually get 3-4 200 round boxes of 5.56mm NATO - linked. The 200 round boxes come from the factory in an olive green bag with a strap on it, so in theory you could carry a bunch of boxes but that would wiegh you down. I usually have 1 box on the gun, 1 in my webbing, and 1 in the bag it came in-over my shoulder. Riflemen in the section also can carry 1 box on them for when I need it. Does that answer your question Gimbal? Tyler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
