Chernarus facts??

[chaplainDMK 10]

Cherni is probably black since its how we slovenians spell black, tho we type it "ÄŒrna" but its spelled "Cherna"...

Otherwise, theres a video showing how a guy takes a map of Czechoslovakia and compares it to ArmA2 from a hill. Its the same exept one side of a river is the sea.

Just cant find it

[lone.wolf 80]

I found two maps of the place, and on one of them BI have named the capital of the country and some other cities and also shown where the Burnaja river is located...

Here is a link to another tread where the map is:

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=72456&page=2

[arma2mods 10]

How US can deploy LHD to Caspian Sea when there is no point (rivers) to drive it there?

Other option is its actially in Black Sea as USSR old place to get into mediterrean. Fictional or real landscape, no matter which one both are ok as they are well presented and feel real.

[manberries 0]

How US can deploy LHD to Caspian Sea when there is no point (rivers) to drive it there?

Other option is its actially in Black Sea as USSR old place to get into mediterrean. Fictional or real landscape, no matter which one both are ok as they are well presented and feel real.

This is why I believe its along the Crimea Coast (black sea). However, the arma trailer does show it on the Caspian Coast. I'm pretty sure the Volga cannot transport a carrier group. And so far that is the only connection in and out of the Caspian. Plus, why would Russia ever allow the US to run ships through the volga in order to get them there if it was at all possible.

Edited July 13, 2009 by manberries

[Alpha-Kilo 36]

BIS arranged the map in a way that the exact location of the South Zagoria province of Chernarus is not sure. Black Sea and Caspian Sea seem likely, but in the map found in the Propaganda section of the official website the ocean is called Green Sea. So we have a fictional country and a fictional ocean. Let us simply assume that large vessels can freely navigate the "eight seas".

Edited July 13, 2009 by Alpha-Kilo

[WhoCares 0]

You could start the game in a clear night on a given day and time, measure the position of some known stars and calculate your exact position that way.

Or alternatively, you should be able to find the longitudinal and latitudinal information somewhere in a config file :)

For those that didn't know, since OFP days, day- and night cycle, moon phases and night sky (and I don't know what else) are a representation for your current position. In OFP there was even a mission where you had to navigate by the stars.

:16_6_8:

Edited July 13, 2009 by WhoCares

[maturin 12]

This is not official, but maybe a start from conjecture. Chenarus seems based off Georgia. The hatred of the local chenrussians to the russian settlers, the name south zagoria, the fact that its exposed to water that looks a lot like the Crimea coast, and the fact that chenarussian sounds like Armenian or something along those lines. Also, the entire conflict looks a lot like how Georgia could of ended up. Therefore, I am going to say it is a smaller country of population under 10 million with an extremely sorted past with the Russian Federation. Which in turn leads to Russia's willingness to help the Chedaki.

The situation is a lot less complicated than Georgia. When I first heard the summary Georgia came immediately and obviously to mind, but now I think the situation borrows from just about any ex-bloc flashpoint.

In Chernarus the minority are Russian "settlers," and I still don't know what that means. But Russia is at least nominally supporting its own 'citizens' and protecting them from NAPA war crimes. IRL Russia would intervene on behalf of ethnic Russians in the Crimea or Moldova (Transniestria).

The Ossetians aren't Russians and the dispute with the Georgians is at least a century old. In this case, Russia is inflaming the situation (not that the two sides weren't ready to do it themselves) and cynically using the separatists to destabilize Georgia for its own political ends. They claim to have acted to protect Ossetia from Georgian reprisals, but they allowed ethnic cleansing of Georgian enclaves to take place inside the province. Russia doesn't have any real-life Chedaki to support because there is no pro-Russia political platform in Georgia's electorate.

I guess we don't know what the goals of the Arma Russians are. Do they want all of Chernarus or just South Zagoria? I actually haven't finished the last few missions yet.

Edit: The following sounds nothing like Georgia.

The local Slavic population constantly had to fight off the raiders from the southwest so it was traditionally bound with Russia, but always kept its independence. In the 12th Century it was controlled by dukes, in the 13th century it was united by Taras Kozub. The Kozub dynasty ruled until 1631, when Chernarus joined the Russian empire. After the revolution in 1917 Chernarus became an autonomic federal republic, after the demise of the USSR in 1991 it gained independence.

Edited July 13, 2009 by maturin

[WhiteRus 10]

... Russia is inflaming the situation (not that the two sides weren't ready to do it themselves) and cynically using the separatists to destabilize Georgia for its own political ends. They claim to have acted to protect Ossetia from Georgian reprisals, but they allowed ethnic cleansing of Georgian enclaves to take place inside the province. Russia doesn't have any real-life Chedaki to support because there is no pro-Russia political platform in Georgia's electorate...

- fine example of propaganda or being misinformed

Funny thing about Chernarus is that it was said that there are russian "settlers" and native chernorussians, who speak czech and mostly have czech names, but all names of villages and towns are russian, which usually tells more truth about who is settler and who is native.

Storyline of Arma 2 campaign is nonsense in general and idiotic in detail. It have nothing in common at all with situation in Georgia.

As it was said above osetians and abhasians are not ethnically russian. There are no "russian settlers" in Georgia. Russia just don't allow osetians to be exterminated.

The only region of former Soviet Union which is remotely similar to Chernarus is Moldova. I don't know was it part of Russian Empire or not, but it was joined to USSR in 1940. So you can call russians, who moved in Moldova to build some economy, settlers. After 1992 there were some armed clashes in Moldova and in eastern regions, where most economy located and most "russian settler" live, was formed Pridnestrovskaya republic, which claims independency, but not recognized even by Russia. But i don't think those clashes were ethnically motivated, it was more about property or economy.

So there is no hateridge betwen moldovans and russians, no ethnic clensings by russians, no mass graves of civilians, no chedaki or napa, no priest dressed like Russian Orthodox Church priest but killing and torturing russians, nothing like that anywhere in former USSR.

The storyline of Arma 2 would be insulting to Russia and russians, if it wasn't so sick.

Edited July 13, 2009 by WhiteRus

[Alpha-Kilo 36]

You could start the game in a clear night on a given day and time, measure the position of some known stars and calculate your exact position that way.

Or alternatively, you should be able to find the longitudinal and latitudinal information somewhere in a config file :)

For those that didn't know, since OFP days, day- and night cycle, moon phases and night sky (and I don't know what else) are a representation for your current position. In OFP there was even a mission where you had to navigate by the stars.

:16_6_8:

That's an interesting approach. Do you or does anybody know the positions of any BIS-Islands and Chernarus based on the stars? I think someone placed Sahrani in the Atlantic Ocean based on the position of the stars.

[frederf 0]

The star map is generated by the star engine combined with the config lat/long entry in the chernarus.pbo config.bin.

The entry for Chernarus is:

longitude = 30;

latitude = -45;

That is 30 deg E and 45 deg N which places it on the boarder of Romania and Ukraine on the Black Sea coast.

Edited July 13, 2009 by Frederf

[Alpha-Kilo 36]

Quick and precise reply. Thanks a lot.

So the Green Sea has just become very dark, again!

[maturin 12]

That is 30 deg E and 45 deg N which places it on the boarder of Romania and Ukraine on the Black Sea coast.

Huh, that even fits the angle of the Black Sea in that area.

- fine example of propaganda or being misinformed

I don't think it's even remotely possible to deny- unless you think that Russia is acting out of altruism in rebuilding Tskhinvali and just wants the love and affection of postage-stamp Ossetia. Putin wanted to provoke Saakashvili, and the megalomaniac happily obliged and started pounding civilians with Grad launchers. There were tanks in the tunnel.

Georgian politics are anti-Russian to the core, and the Kremlin can't accept that, especially with all the chest-pounding by NATO. It was all just meant to emasculate Georgia in order to further Russian interests in the South Caucasus. Lotta oil in Baku.

[WhiteRus 10]

to maturin:

i don't want to start discussion in wrong thread but as a quick reply:

i don't know which country you're from, but i see you get information from only one side so you don't have full picture.

People in the West, even politics, don't know much about Russia and it's history so they don't understand really what's going on in former USSR, motives of russian politics or people. In Russian history there were a lot of thing done out of altruism.

As for South Osetia - there is also Northern Osetia which is a republic in Russian Federation. Osetians is a small nation and they have relatives on both sides of border so a lot of South Osetians are russian citizens. So Russia can't just let them live in destroyed city.

I don't know what you mean by provoking Saakashvili. As for tanks in tunnel - everybody knew that assault on Tskhinvali was coming: civilians in the city, peacekeepers, EU observers. Do you think russian intelligence wouldn't notice it?

[maturin 12]

to maturin:

In Russian history there were a lot of thing done out of altruism.

I don't doubt it- there's never been an Empire that destroyed without building. But aiding Ossetia is secondary to punishing Georgia for its independence and bullheaded anti-Russian politics. Sinking ships in Poti had nothing at all to do with Tskhinvali.

What specific information from the 'other side' should I have? I'm American and know more about Georgian history than Russian history (of which I don't know much of relevance here), but I think an issue with as much background as this is hard to reduce to propaganda, and I believe I haven't said anything far removed from basic facts. If there's something you think I should know, we can go to PMs if you want. Western coverage of the war was pretty awful, and the way one of our current politicians spun it was unnerving.

I don't know what you mean by provoking Saakashvili. As for tanks in tunnel - everybody knew that assault on Tskhinvali was coming: civilians in the city, peacekeepers, EU observers. Do you think russian intelligence wouldn't notice it?

I think Russia badly wanted Saakashvili to attack and did their utmost to ignite the situation. That part of the issue is not really disputed by anyone not wearing rosy glasses. Both sides (probably not the people getting hit by Grad) wanted things to come to a head. There is personal enmity between Saakashvili and Putin. They're both bloody-minded bastards, in all honesty, and I do wish that Saakashvili had been ruined for starting this last war, even if that's what the Kremlin's aim was. The Kremlin was playing chess with Ossetian lives. That is why I think the concern for loyal citizens is mere pretense.

Edited July 14, 2009 by maturin

[jakerod 254]

The thread is about Chenarus not Georgia.

[MegaSevan 10]

I thought belarus = "black russia" and chernarus = "white russia"

It's the other way round.

[swoop1526 0]

if you open up map in arma 2, there is alot of white on the map,dos that mean, there is gona be new city put on it later, or is it for some other reason:)

[manberries 0]

Well, originally the empty space is just how they dealt with the map ending. However, i have heard of some rumors that an expansion pack would add more map to the current map area. Unconfirmed rumors of course.

[lone.wolf 80]

I found also this map there shows where Chernarus is located in a world map... Another thing how big is Chernarus in km2...s

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3b/ArmA2_-_LocationChernarus.png/120px-ArmA2_-_LocationChernarus.png

[Andi 10]

Wow, that map is super big... NOT :D

[Alex72 1]

Chernarus is 225km2

[lone.wolf 80]

Chernarus is 225km2

No its South Zagoria there is 225km2, all of the Country of Chernarus is what ???

[Alex72 1]

How can anyone of us know that? There is no info released by BIS about that as far as i know.

[derk yall 0]

Well based on this small map.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nChernarus.png

I think that it would be minimaly 900 km2. If you take the area of South Zagoria and fill it in the rest of map you can fill it three time. However its not a precise way of messure and some km2 will mise. So I asuume that Chernarus have +-1000 - 1100 km2?

Surtenly its not precise and only someone from BIS can tell us acuratly the size.

[Raznor09 10]

imagine playing on the entire map, and the AF was at one end and obj at other lol. jumps in helo....wake me up when we get there...zzzzzzz