31st NORMANDY MOD - WW2 Â -BETA RELEASE

[Aqu 0]

Started work on the mod yesterday after the end of Christmas break. Got a lot done. Finished up the Pointe du Hoc area. Now moving onto the other famous D-day beaches.

Great to hear. Care to post a pic? (the finished du Hoc)

[rip31st 98]

Nope! It's my little secret! ha! lol

[Zippa 0]

any new goodies for us ww2 hungry fans ?      

btw how will this mod work with Arma 2?

[Aqu 0]

I don't know about 'new'. What was mentioned in the long list, I could add that my P-38 comes in 4 loadout versions (J-25 model). My StuG-IIIg comes in 8 versions or actually in 4 and StuH-IIIg in 4 versions (early, mid and late version with and without schürzen, topfblende gunmantlet ("saukopf") etc stuff in different combinations). I have to warn that the Stug version list might get shorter if lack of time or getting bored to paint 4 camouflages.

btw how will this mod work with Arma 2?

I'm sure someone will tell when we see it.

[rip31st 98]

BI told us our mods should work just fine with ArmA2.

Zippa - Just read through the thread. There are many things being added to the mod.

[Zippa 0]

BI told us our mods should work just fine with ArmA2.

Zippa - Just read through the thread.  There are many things being added to the mod.

I´ve been reading the whole stuff mate

[rip31st 98]

Lil' update:

Working on Omaha beach trying to get that pat down. It's not quiet half way done, atleast in respect to the beach itself. Quiet a bit left to do on it. The beach is fully functional. Tides affect the water line. It's got hedge hogs, log ramps, tank obstacles, belgian gates, seawall installed, etc, etc...

Here's some pics to chew on:

Thanks to Aqu for his fine work on the gates! He did a good job.

[Aqu 0]

Great work.

That seawall turned out to be good. Works nicely for little cover too...if you get that far

[Zippa 0]

in the last picture

what are thoose bridges doing there?

[rip31st 98]

in the last picture

what are thoose bridges doing there?    

I dunno! Why they are there?!?  I didn't put them there...

Shhhhhh! Don't tell anyone, those are secret bridges to England!

[Zippa 0]

LOL I assumed you tough they were belgian gates or something, fuck this time tomorrow I will be playing around with your mod hell I brough a new laptop just to play it

[eble 3]

I don't think they are bridges, in the UK at least they would be sand barriers, to stop the sand shifting up the coast.

I believe they are called groynes -

Groynes

Tho I never been to Normandy!

This picture shows the groynes at Hautes Normandy

This is an aerial view of a groyne misc UK

haha how sad am I  

Southy

[Zippa 0]

I wouldnt know, I live in a harbour town

[oldbear 390]

I believe Eble is right, here on this old postcard, you can have a closer look and on this pic (30 june 43) a view of the coast.

On the same site http://vierville.free.fr/, I have found this :

Quote[/b] ]Le terrain pour la route avait été donné par les propriétaires, les protections en bois contre la mer furent construites sous la direction de l'agent voyer mais payés par les propriétaires des lots.

Of course it's in French, but I can try to translate the bold part : ... the wooden defenses against the sea ...

[Zippa 0]

I´ll be damn ... I didnt realize there were sort things

[rip31st 98]

I disagree.  I know exactly what they are.  Even in your photos its very clear to see they are docks.  Exactly what I placed ingame.  The only difference is my docks aren't floating.  They stay!

 

Oh btw...The map I placed above is the exact one I'm using to place beach obstacles. I suggest if you don't like it, that's just too bad! lol

[Zippa 0]

please dont take it so bad, we were just trying to figure out what they were lol!

your work is amazing, im counting hours now

[oldbear 390]

Found ... also in French

Quote[/b] ]Plusieurs épis transversaux en bois avaient été construits avant la guerre devant Vierville, peut-etre pour mieux stabiliser le sable sur la plage. Ces épis limitaient le déplacement des galets, sans l'empecher, car ils étaient souvent "submergés" par le cordon. Des vestiges de ces épis sont toujours visibles actuellement

Translation : Several transverse wooden seawalls have been built before the war in front of Vierville, perhaps in order to get a better sand stabilization on the beach. These seawalls were reducing pebbles movement without preventing it, for they were often "submerged " by the row. Now, some remains of these seawalls are still visible.

In fact the features of this part of the coast was very different before the war and the D Day. In front of the coast a small sand beach and a very large row of pebbles. Theses pebbles were always moving from the west to the east pushed by tidal currents. After the D-day, Us Army Corps of Engineer has been digging out these pebbles for months in order to make roads and a sunken barge has made a barrier for the pebbles migrating to the east so there are part of the coast without pebbles now !

An other view of the seawalls

[rip31st 98]

Found ... also in French

Quote[/b] ]Plusieurs épis transversaux en bois avaient été construits avant la guerre devant Vierville, peut-etre pour mieux stabiliser le sable sur la plage. Ces épis limitaient le déplacement des galets, sans l'empecher, car ils étaient souvent "submergés" par le cordon. Des vestiges de ces épis sont toujours visibles actuellement

Translation : Several transverse wooden seawalls have been built before the war in front of Vierville, perhaps in order to get a better sand stabilization on the beach. These seawalls were reducing pebbles movement without preventing it, for they were often "submerged " by the row. Now, some remains of these seawalls are still visible.

In fact the features of this part of the coast was very different before the war and the D Day. In front of the coast a small sand beach and a very large row of pebbles. Theses pebbles were always moving from the west to the east pushed by tidal currents. After the D-day, Us Army Corps of Engineer has been digging out these pebbles for months in order to make roads and a sunken barge has made a barrier for the pebbles migrating to the east so there are part of the coast without pebbles now !

An other view of the seawalls

In the photos you guys have provided I see what Bear is talking about. But that is one small section of beach. This isn't conclusive enough. The docks will still be there.

[eble 3]

My comments about groynes were 100% right, oamaha beach didn't have bridges/jettys, else they would have used them to unload, which in case would have made that beach a no go area.

I'm not fussed that you are keeping them in, I just thought out of interest I would tell you what they were, not docks etc, but just boring old sand barriers.

After a few drinks it's amazing what crap you can find on google

Southy

[Zippa 0]

now if only that stupid computer would show up now ...

[Enigma85 2]

I'd be really careful searching for groin on google XD

it's not going to be pretty.

well the groynes look more likely in my opinion.

from what i remember omaha had those long wooden board seperated by huge stakes to stop the sediment moving so much with the tides.

here easier then trying to explain.

picture of Groynes.

[oldbear 390]

Yes, that last pic shows something like the "épi" built on the beach at Vierville. I believe those seawalls were a part of the plan to change the coast from a marshy and full of pebbles place to a pleasant summer resort a long time before the war.

At the foot of the hillock that has been a cliff a long time ago, there were marshes and peat bogs and a pebbles beach made from Pointe de la Percée hard rocks. Peat have been used for years by people living here. Peat bogs are still showing sometimes under the pebbles now that the pebbles bed has been removed as I have previously stated. The foot of the hillock has been filled in and a road build in front with a stone wall facing the sea. Houses has been built. On all pics you can see that they are of "modern" features, not farms. On the last post card, we can also see beach cabins on top of the wall.

What I believe is that those peoples were trying to build their own "little Deauville" with casinos and summer resorts, but a beach made of pebbles is not a nice thing so they had build some walls in order to stop the pebbles movement and to try to keep some sand in front.

On this card you can see 7 out 17 of these seawalls or "groynes" as you call them, so I believe there were no docks here.

@Rip31st : please don't be unnerved by what we are saying, think it's only for help. I believe that we are all eager to play your mod and what you have done is already a great achievement. This extra huge map is, I know for sure, time and energy consuming and I thank you again for what you are given us.

[rip31st 98]

I still respectfully disagree. The photos are inconclusive. They only show small portions of beach. I understand what you're saying as there was sedimentation control in some areas. That has nothing to do with the area I mapped. What you are seeing in some of those photos are either east or west of the area I am currently working on. To surmise that people in 1944 didn't use docks (not bridges) in Normandy is utterly ridiculous. In one of the photos you can clearly see they are floating docks( hence the two very long poles at the end of the dock where the dock lay flat on the sand) Those poles are used to anchor the docks in place at their furthest point seward and guide the dock as it rises with the tide. IT is a very well known fact that this area was and still is VERY tidal to this day. Stop calling docks bridges. Please look up their respective definitions in a proper dictionary. They are very different. In conclusion I would like to add that since this area was heavily bombarded by naval forces, one could assume that the docks were most likely not operable by the time the beach assault began. I'm modeling it based on maps prior to that period.

Thanks! And have a great day!

[Aqu 0]

Well. In the map it says "retards". My dictionary says "retard" means "to cause delay". Based on this I would put my money on some sort of a sand stopping wall. I cannot find reasoning why a pier or dock is called a retard (unless the map maker has been such). I thought too that they were piers until someone mentioned those walls.

Here's a pic of a man holding his groins at a beach (v 0.0001).

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