Bolivia nationalizes the gas industry.

[shinRaiden 0]

Well another point about Scandinavia is that it has to date provided it's citizens with the highest quality of life in history to date. If you look at any international survey for things like freedom of the press, education, and other standards of living, the Scandinavian countries are always at the top. Why not aspire to their systems?

Quote[/b] ] I guess there's more to that tale than what they're saying. It was never against the law to dissent in the USSR.

Maybe not technically, but surely, surely Spokesperson you cannot tell us that nobody was punished for speaking out against the Soviets? You seem to have taken a step from zealous to delusional.

I have been through parts of Central and Eastern Europe and people there told me of what happened in Hungary in the '56, what happened in '68 in Czechoslovakia.

Correction :

The 'people' were liberated in '56 and '68, the peasants were put in their 'rightful' place for daring to aspire to be workers. Privileges to the providers is the totalitarian model.

Fundamental socialism / communism / intellectual imperialism / whatever you whiten that rotted grave with is fundamentally based on the cranky principle that "you are stupid, you can not be trusted with liberty, and that your compulsory enslavement is for 'the greater good'."

[sputnik monroe 102]

Quote[/b] ]The scandinavian model is just another flavour of capitalism, based on charity through taxes

 There is no such thing as charity through taxes. Charity is voluntary, when wealth is redistributed though taxes it is simply theft. My government steals my money through taxes and gives it to others against my wishes. See I believe I should be the one who decides what to do with the fruits of my labor. Social robin hoods like you believe you know what is best and that I should surrender what little property and wealth I have to you so that you may distribute it as you see fit for the common good. You’re a thief simple as that, I do not consent to your Marxist ideas to take everything I have away and then lock me away in a gulag or shoot me for resisting your bullshit way of thinking.

 I love how repeatedly you defend the incarceration and murder of “traitors to the revolutionâ€. You are so beyond belief it’s almost a laugh. You are like a comic book characterization of a commissar that actually believes the propaganda he screams out to the masses while in the background “traitors†are tied up and shot or trucked away to reeducation camps.  

The more and more I read from Spokesperson, the more and more I lean in favor of euthanasia for certain individuals for the commond good.

[scubaman3D 0]

The pilot story is bullshit. Women were pilots, officers, cosmonauts earlier than anywhere else.

Ok dude, so my mother-in-law, is lying to me for no reason?.

I said she was a pilot instructor but she was disallowed to fly passenger planes because of her gender. READ.

You have been thoroughly brainwashed. And are reading another version of history that doesn't exist in reality.

The USSR's economy and political system crashed into a big heap of shit - or is my mother-in-law lying to me about this too? And text books, and wikipedia, and documentaries on TV, articles in newspapers.

Everybody lies but you know the "truth", right?

I almost believe you but you know, one who does not trust anybody can not be trusted.

And for the 3rd time, which of these paradise countries do you live in?

[Spokesperson 0]

Quote[/b] ] If you look at any international survey for things like freedom of the press, education, and other standards of living, the Scandinavian countries are always at the top. Why not aspire to their systems?

That's if you look at left-liberal think-tank reports or their lists. Private press isn't free press.

Quote[/b] ]I have been through parts of Central and Eastern Europe and people there told me of what happened in Hungary in the '56, what happened in '68 in Czechoslovakia.

That isn't called "speaking up against", that's rioting, commiting murder, armed resistance. All that is counter-revolutionary just like now in Bolivia, in Venezuela 2002, Chile 1973 or Russia 1917+.

Quote[/b] ]There is no such thing as charity through taxes. Charity is voluntary, when wealth is redistributed though taxes it is simply theft. My government steals my money through taxes and gives it to others against my wishes. See I believe I should be the one who decides what to do with the fruits of my labor. Social robin hoods like you believe you know what is best and that I should surrender what little property and wealth I have to you so that you may distribute it as you see fit for the common good. You’re a thief simple as that, I do not consent to your Marxist ideas to take everything I have away and then lock me away in a gulag or shoot me for resisting your bullshit way of thinking.

Not at all, marxism isn't for the common good, it's for the good of the working class. Charity is voluntary, but taxes in Scandinavia fill that function. That's a system that's better in many other places. And that's definately not theft, because earning money on other people's work is theft. If you take parts of that money back it isn't theft and besides it guarantees some basic rights. The initial theft can be abolished by nationalizing all means of production and putting them under democratic control. But you seem to think that what Robin Hood did was theft. Then you must be Prince John. And in that case you're right. Guns solve that problem in what we call a revolution.

Quote[/b] ] I love how repeatedly you defend the incarceration and murder of “traitors to the revolutionâ€. You are so beyond belief it’s almost a laugh. You are like a comic book characterization of a commissar that actually believes the propaganda he screams out to the masses while in the background “traitors†are tied up and shot or trucked away to reeducation camps.

Which propaganda, the one I see in the liberal press? It's you who are indoctrinated who believe in this system at all costs. The only thing you know about communism is what you hear by the liberal "commissars" we call media, but they have no fur-hats and coats.

Quote[/b] ]Ok dude, so my mother-in-law, is lying to me for no reason?.

I said she was a pilot instructor but she was disallowed to fly passenger planes because of her gender. READ.

Your mother-in-law is telling you her opinion that is a good explanation in her mind. Maybe she doesn't accept the fact that she was too bad for it. There were many pilots who were women, even military planes. That's why it's strange she wasn't accepted by her gender, which I doubt is the case.

Women cosmonaut pilots:

http://www.astronautix.com/astrogrp/femp1962.htm

Fighter aces:

http://pratt.edu/~rsilva/sovwomen.htm

But your mother in law was denied flying a civilian plane of all planes. That's what we call brainwash and lack of thinking critically.

The USSR economy at the end, was better than the current Russian economy. The crash came with the liberalizations after the dissolution and in 1998.

" The Russian economy has passed through a long and wrenching depression. Official Russian economic statistics indicate that from 1990 to the end of 1995, Russian GDP declined by roughly 50%, far greater than the decline that the United States experienced during the Great Depression."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Russia

That's called brainwash too. Your mother-in-law is no representative of the russian people, maybe the bourgeoisie. Ask some millionaire and you'll get the same answer.

Quote[/b] ]Everybody lies but you know the "truth", right?

You don't think you lie, but if you check the facts, like now, we find out that you do. I wonder why's that? It's because you live in a liberal country and are subject to liberal propaganda but you have a hard time identifying it because you see no evil fur hats speaking in bad english.

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There were many pilots who were women, even military planes. That's why it's strange she wasn't accepted by her gender, which I doubt is the case.

Women cosmonaut pilots:

http://www.astronautix.com/astrogrp/femp1962.htm

Fighter aces:

http://pratt.edu/~rsilva/sovwomen.htm

But your mother in law was denied flying a civilian plane of all planes. That's what we call brainwash and lack of thinking critically.

The Soviets only seemed to care about women in space when they thought the United States was going to put women in space. I would bet that they wanted a woman in space for propaganda reasons more so than equality. One up the United States in the space race!

The fact is there was gender discrimination in the Soviet Union's aviation field.

http://www.wai.org/resources/2006pioneers.cfm (Read Galina Gavrilovna Korchuganova's story)

[Sennacherib 0]

Quote[/b] ]The scandinavian model is just another flavour of capitalism

please spokesperson, try to learn, instead of writing stupidity like that.

the scandinavian model is the social-democracy. I'm social-democrat (but not scandinavian).

capitalism is a tool, not a form of government. democracy is the form of government of the scandinavians countries

the economy is not communism or capitalism. the economy is facts only facts. try to read Keynes for example.

in fact sokesperson, you say all the time that we are manipulate by the propaganda. YOU are manipulated by your ignorance and your lack of open-mind.

About bolivia. the story of this country is really complex. the difference between spanish or natives are huge. The president of bolivia just want to create a country where half of the population wouldn't be poor and where the corruption would be non-existent

this guy is not communist or capitalism, this man is before all that, a native of Bolivia.

Quote[/b] ]Bolivia nationalizes the gas industry.

this is a good step to clean this industry of corruption, and make the price of the gaz affordable for the poors.

[scubaman3D 0]

Private press isn't free press.

Right, cause the government would NEVER use the media to manipulate the people. You've got to be kidding.

And how the hell does that make sense, that a woman is qualified to TEACH people how to fly but why wouldn't she be qualified to ACTUALLY fly passenger planes? Ever think those rare examples you showed me were a form of propaganda?

You need to think critically.

And why do you keep avoiding my question?

Have you ever actually been to ANY of your paradise countries?

Seems to me that communism is your religion...something to which you devote yourself to based on what you BELIEVE to be true - based on what YOU have heard from somebody else, who has repeadidly told you NOT to trust anybody, right? How is this any less insane than what I believe?

[Dwarden 1125]

more i read what SpokesPerson wrote then it i remember me on one guy here who was 'political officer' in communism times ...

seriously in todays world of internet where You can find the 'real' documents You can push out such 'misinformations' ?

You gotta be kidding me ...

people were jailed because of what done theirs 'parents' or 'family members' or sent to 'gulag/work camp'

people were haunted for being opposing the communism system in many ways

being jailed or visited by 'secret' police to threaten and cause fear

theirs kids were prevented from entering hi-schools/universities or any usable workplaces

if someone from family emigrated they were punished for

who emigrated all his property was confiscated as enemy of state

in fact anyone who not agreed with the system became suspicious

and who publicly disagreed with the system became automatically enemy of the state system

and that's top of iceberg (try guess which political system in history of mankind killed most of innocent people )

or what about these who fought in WW2 (typical example european communism states) they became automatically danger to state system and were 'eliminated'

in short

i think You either one of these who were living in very privileged state in communism society and now missing this 'privileges'

or You too young to be able understood and thus too naive and uneducated to realize that

and if You enough old and lived in communism state and still missing that system then You seems to be the 'manipulated crowd' which the totalism loved and based upon ...

and what's worst i fear there is no chance and hope in further discussion with You because not only i can't convince 'someone like You'

but also because there is no 'will' from people like You to accept the correct picture of things

[Spokesperson 0]

Quote[/b] ]the scandinavian model is the social-democracy. I'm social-democrat (but not scandinavian).

Social democracy is based on capitalism.

Capitalism is no tool, it's an economic system.

Democracy is a form of government which the scandinavian countries don't have because democracy and capitalism aren't compatible. Capitalism implies plutocracy.

Economy is certainly not about facts, it's about interpretations and politics.

Quote[/b] ]this guy is not communist or capitalism, this man is before all that, a native of Bolivia.

Really? So why is he chairman of the MAS party. Movement for Socialism? And why is he doing real socialist politics that leads to socialism. Not just talk.

Quote[/b] ]Right, cause the government would NEVER use the media to manipulate the people. You've got to be kidding.

Of course they would, but I wouldn't put it manipulate, rather present another perspective. I as a non-capitalist dont share the views and interests of capitalists. But if the state is elected by me, if it represents the working class, then it represents my views and interests. Private press can never do this. Private press is controlled by a few owners, it isn't free.

Quote[/b] ]And how the hell does that make sense, that a woman is qualified to TEACH people how to fly but why wouldn't she be qualified to ACTUALLY fly passenger planes?

That depends on the people who judged her. It might not be consistent. No one is omniscient.

Quote[/b] ]And why do you keep avoiding my question?

My location isn't relevant. I've explained my reasons in another thread. Apart from the relevancy it's about how liberals handle dissidents basically.

Quote[/b] ]seriously in todays world of internet where You can find the 'real' documents You can push out such 'misinformations' ?

Which real documents? If you talk about the soviet archives, they are entirely following my line.

Quote[/b] ]people were jailed because of what done theirs 'parents' or 'family members' or sent to 'gulag/work camp'

people were haunted for being opposing the communism system in many ways

being jailed or visited by 'secret' police to threaten and cause fear

theirs kids were prevented from entering hi-schools/universities or any usable workplaces

if someone from family emigrated they were punished for

who emigrated all his property was confiscated as enemy of state

in fact anyone who not agreed with the system became suspicious

and who publicly disagreed with the system became automatically enemy of the state system

Can you give me an example?

Quote[/b] ]and that's top of iceberg (try guess which political system in history of mankind killed most of innocent people )

Political systems don't kill. Classes do. The deaths estimated because of worker class liberation struggle is lower than that of upper class oppression. Systems based on capitalism have killed most people in total.

Quote[/b] ]You enough old and lived in communism state and still missing that system then You seems to be the 'manipulated crowd' which the totalism loved and based upon ...

Yea, the russian people are "manipulated" because they think it was better when there was no unemployment etc. What about you?

[Dwarden 1125]

anything i answer is pointless waste of time as i explained in prior post ...

farewell...

[scubaman3D 0]

1.) Of course they would, but I wouldn't put it manipulate, rather present another perspective. I as a non-capitalist dont share the views and interests of capitalists. But if the state is elected by me, if it represents the working class, then it represents my views and interests. Private press can never do this. Private press is controlled by a few owners, it isn't free.

2.)That depends on the people who judged her. It might not be consistent. No one is omniscient.

3.)My location isn't relevant. I've explained my reasons in another thread. Apart from the relevancy it's about how liberals handle dissidents basically.

1.) So truth doesn't matter, as long as the government run medium presents events that mesh with what you already believe, despite reality?

2.) But you already said we have to evaluate this critically and logically. Logically, it dosn't make sense that the USSR would not allow a woman pilot instructor to fly passenger aircraft but they did feel she was qualified to teach men to do so. What this would suggest to me is a form of government discrimination against women.

3.) Bull. Its likely that you live in a western country and you don't have to worry about somebody coming after you for your crazy beliefs. Your english seems british origin, not american. Probably a native speaker but if not, you're very fluent which suggest you are more privelaged than your commrads.

You know what the difference between me and you is?

I vehimently dissagree with your point of view but I believe that you have to right to your beliefs. You are they type of person who thinks that religion is "insanity" and pastors are enemies of the state. You have no respect for other peoples beliefs or opinions. It appears that you are defend the actions of the USSR placing such "enemies" into jail?

Which of these is the greater good? To dissagree, yet tollerate an opinion or to supress freedom of thought, religion, and belief?

[MehMan 0]

I vehimently dissagree with your point of view but I believe that you have to right to your beliefs. You are they type of person who thinks that religion is "insanity" and pastors are enemies of the state. You have no respect for other peoples beliefs or opinions. It appears that you are defend the actions of the USSR placing such "enemies" into jail?

As soon as he hits an obstacle he cannot handle he calls it a lie, we are the manipulated crowd of sheep and he seems to be our saviour.

Your origin is very important, as you've said that you've only visited the USSR or any communist country. You sound like one of those college students with too much zeal and not enough perspective, you only see things from one angle, all the rest is a "liberal" lie. Stop throwing the term liberal around, as I've said before, different people, different meaning.

You think you're winning these discussions because people stop arguing with you, but they stop arguing because you're an incomprehensable person, simply amazing infact, but too much effort to keep up with your  nonsense. You do make sense once you step out of your commie zeal, but that doesn't hold for long. I'd gladly accept your views if they weren't so radical and if they were actually founded on common sense. I'd also accept your views if you would accept mine, as it stands right now, you throw them away because they simply don't fit in your delusional views and call them a lie. That is called living a lie, or living in denial.

[Sennacherib 0]

Quote[/b] ]Democracy is a form of government which the scandinavian countries don't have because democracy and capitalism aren't compatible. Capitalism implies plutocracy.

lol, the scandinavians on this forum will be happy, to know that.

oh! btw you are an idiot. this is really a waste of time to discuss with you. Maybe, when you will be an adult.

bye

[Spokesperson 0]

Quote[/b] ]1.) So truth doesn't matter, as long as the government run medium presents events that mesh with what you already believe, despite reality?

Of course it does. Private interests cover up what's true if it harms them. If they see a threat to their privileges they do everything to stop that threat. In a socialist society there will be no need to cover up truth because the state acts in the interests of the working class. They share the same interests.

Quote[/b] ]2.) But you already said we have to evaluate this critically and logically. Logically, it dosn't make sense that the USSR would not allow a woman pilot instructor to fly passenger aircraft but they did feel she was qualified to teach men to do so. What this would suggest to me is a form of government discrimination against women.

You can't blame a country for if a woman was accepted into a university or not. Same thing with being a pilot or teacher. If you don't get a job you aren't qualified for you can't blame the country.

There were many female pilots. If your mother-in-law couldn't be one it has to do with other circumstances. I don't say the gender-issue was perfect in the USSR but it was ahead of most of the world.

Quote[/b] ]3.) Bull. Its likely that you live in a western country and you don't have to worry about somebody coming after you for your crazy beliefs. Your english seems british origin, not american. Probably a native speaker but if not, you're very fluent which suggest you are more privelaged than your commrads.

I actually do worry. I know people who are black-listed. It seems it's quite common. People like me are dangerous to the current oppressive system. Socialism means that counter-revolutionaries can be black-listed instead of revolutionaries. The working class rules instead of the bourgeoisie.

Quote[/b] ]You know what the difference between me and you is?

I vehimently dissagree with your point of view but I believe that you have to right to your beliefs. You are they type of person who thinks that religion is "insanity" and pastors are enemies of the state. You have no respect for other peoples beliefs or opinions. It appears that you are defend the actions of the USSR placing such "enemies" into jail?

Which of these is the greater good? To dissagree, yet tollerate an opinion or to supress freedom of thought, religion, and belief?

If that's your position, then fine, but then you're just one of those idealistic liberals who believe in liberalism but don't see the way it works until the system is threatened by collapse. You are the tools, that work for free, of those who profit from this system at the same time as they oppress others. Behind your backs something bad is going on. They realise that the working class has to be kept at bay if it can cause trouble. If the situation gets out of hand those who understand what liberalism is, appear, stage a coup and call for marshal law. In the worst cases they do just as in Germany, Italy or Chile. The nazis were funded by capitalists. The fascists were funded by land owners and capitalists. The chilean liberals (thats what they called themselves) were funded by the capitalists and the US. That's what we see all the time through history. In Venezuela, Bolivia, in Russia etc. US + capitalists against the working class. It's a class struggle.

[MehMan 0]

Quote[/b] ]2.) But you already said we have to evaluate this critically and logically. Logically, it dosn't make sense that the USSR would not allow a woman pilot instructor to fly passenger aircraft but they did feel she was qualified to teach men to do so. What this would suggest to me is a form of government discrimination against women.

You can't blame a country for if a woman was accepted into a university or not. Same thing with being a pilot or teacher. If you don't get a job you aren't qualified for you can't blame the country.

There were many female pilots. If your mother-in-law couldn't be one it has to do with other circumstances. I don't say the gender-issue was perfect in the USSR but it was ahead of most of the world.

She was an instructor, that means she can fly planes good enough to supervise somebody who can't and teach them at the same time. That's like a teacher not getting accepted into university. You can blame the country.

[-Snafu- 78]

I completely agree with MehMan's above above post. Bingo was his fcuking name-o.

Spokesperson is nothing but a troll. As idiotic as he sounds he knows that his views will be met with hostility yet he persists in posting them. He has already said he is not trying to entice people to his viewpoint so he is probably just posting for shits and giggles (just like Marxist feminism even though Marxism was not sexist at all eh Spoker?)

You can't take someone who defends and praises the Purges seriously.

He also claims to think for himself when actually he is just pushing the leftist line. I try my best to look at things individually unlike Spokesperson who looks up some leftist book to see what he should argue.

He also called me a flag waver just because I am proud of who I am and where I come from. Apparently it is a capitalist invention and has nothing to do with my culture language etc. But since he follows this argument he will have to realise that he is a flag waver of communism. Obviously he does not see the irony.

He also thinks the BIS moderators are part of some Liberal propaganda machine which has to be the funniest thing he has said.

Moreover the claim that socialism is taking over is funny. If a country such as the US became socialist then I would beleive it. They are getting voted in shit countries because those countries are shit. To say socialism is taking over because rubbish countries are turning to it is hilarious. Hell, the SNP may stand for independence but that does not mean that everyone who votes for them wants Scottish independence! If I lived in a nation that was poor I would vote a different government in.

I have came to the conclusion that he is nowt but a forum troll who is wasting BIS bandwidth. I have seen people banned on these forums for less trolling than Spokes has done.

Anyway I'm sure that the people in the South American continent would rather see their old states (Azetc, Inca, Mayan etc.) rebuilt than have socialism brought in to the Spanish set up nations they reside in.

[Dwarden 1125]

post mortem comment ...

just note about the 'class' argument ...

You know who ran USSR ? it was 'mafia class' (soviet 3 level mafia system) ...

if You think it was worker class then You should definitely educate before ever trying to argue on internet ...

and remember there are many types of mafia not just these You know from TV

in fact it would nice match trying to prove which of systems exploits the worker class more

and now i'm gone from here until someone break rules ...

[chops 111]

I have to concede defeat too.

There is no reasoning with you Spokesperson. You seem to be the David Irving of the USSR's horrors.

What you hold is faith, not belief in communism, the refusal to see reality, the abandonment of logical, rational criticism. You do not seem able to find any faults with communism or good points about capitalism. There is no discussion to be had.

I also find your refusal to acknowledge the brutalities of the Soviets absurd. Who the fuck do you think you are to say "it never happened"?

You don't seem to be able to understand how offensive it would be to somebody who's been through that, to have some little punce who's never even been there, declare his/her horrific experience a myth.

As highlighted by scubaman3D, if you're such a proponent of communism/socialism, why not go and live in Cuba? Ahhh no more PC games for you!

You obviously bought OFP or Arma, therefore you are an evil, bourgeois, counter-revolutionary capitalist like the rest of us. However I'll add hypocrite to that list.

[Commando84 0]

Imo you get lots of your tax money in Scandinavia compared to the Usa, almost free healthcare, i think if you pay more than 149 $ you get a free health card that lasts for a year

Compared to some countries where people die cause they can't pay the hospital bills

Imo communism isn't good cause you don't like when other people interfere to much with your life and uber capitalism isn't good cause the little people gets crushed in some other ways there so the middle way is the way to go imo

Imo free education almost is a proof of how good the system is when people come here from other countries to study and take loans to keep studying and living here decently while they study.

Sure some people use or abuse the system a little bit but no system is really 110% perfect.

The tax whatever its called in english ratio is 33 % of your income but you get lots of bang for your buck when you get hurt or go to school, the roads you drive on are state funded...ect.

[Spokesperson 0]

Quote[/b] ]She was an instructor, that means she can fly planes good enough to supervise somebody who can't and teach them at the same time. That's like a teacher not getting accepted into university. You can blame the country.

No it doesn't. She might not be physically of psychically fit. Your logic is false. Furthermore, there might be enough pilots. You don't employ a teacher if you dont need one. Just because it's a mother in law it doesn't mean she's right. Most women are mothers in law. The fact that she is your mother in law makes it probable that she's covering up the whole picture. Family members don't always speak the truth you know.

The purges were necessary but not necessarily 100% good. But I fully defend the labour camps.

Nationalism is an invention of the upper class to unite and control people under their rule. Just like the purpose of religion. That way people won't resist as much as they would otherwise.

I think a US BIS moderator censored a thread about the US politics I posted a while ago. That's called censorship and it's based on the mainstream ideology which we call liberalism.

Poor countries are the weakest link of capitalism. They see clear effects of it and how they are exploited. It isn't strange that they revolt.

Most people in South America are spaniards.

Quote[/b] ]You know who ran USSR ? it was 'mafia class' (soviet 3 level mafia system) ...

You should write a book about that. You might be awarded a doctorate for it.

Quote[/b] ]What you hold is faith, not belief in communism, the refusal to see reality, the abandonment of logical, rational criticism. You do not seem able to find any faults with communism or good points about capitalism. There is no discussion to be had.

I'm discussing socialism. Not communism. You don't even know what communism means. But that's normal.

Quote[/b] ]I also find your refusal to acknowledge the brutalities of the Soviets absurd. Who the fuck do you think you are to say "it never happened"?

What kind of brutalities? Like unemployment?

Quote[/b] ]As highlighted by scubaman3D, if you're such a proponent of communism/socialism, why not go and live in Cuba? Ahhh no more PC games for you!

Why would I? I'm building socialism where I live, not at some other place.

Quote[/b] ]You obviously bought OFP or Arma, therefore you are an evil, bourgeois, counter-revolutionary capitalist like the rest of us. However I'll add hypocrite to that list.

You don't know what a capitalist is. Buying consumer goods doesn't define your class. I can be the richest guy in the country and still not be a capitalist.

Quote[/b] ]Compared to some countries where people die cause they can't pay the hospital bills  

In some other non-capitalist countries, especially the socialist ones, you don't have to pay at all. Despite being a third world country Cuba offers this, has the highest amount of doctors working on missions outside the country, has higher doctor density than most other countries in the world etc.

Communism has never been implemented. Don't you wonder why almost nobody knows what the words mean but still use them and have opinions about them? Liberal indoctrination? Or did it just pop in your minds?

[-ZG-BUZZARD 0]

Most people in South America are spaniards.

   

Wow, I didn't know that!! Guess I'll tell that to the King of Spain, right away!!!  

Time to wake up and smell the coffee, Spokesperson - south americans are south americans, they are not spaniards... Just like africans aren't portuguese/french/british/whatever former collonial power you'd like to choose...

[Commando84 0]

Spokesperson isn't it democracy if anyone can go to a political party and say they are interested in joining and working politically up in that system? Democracy is the rule of the many, and my country Sweden has a bunch of parties with more or less similar views on different things from piracy to when kids in school shall be started to be given grades.. And all kinds of issues.

Sure sometimes people can be a bit upset at politicians saying things that are not with their views or putting laws and changing rules back and forth but in the end somewhere the people elected those guys and girls to run the show

Spokesperson you need to get your head out of the books and computers and be around people sometimes, go out take a drink, dance a little and stuff

[MehMan 0]

No it doesn't. She might not be physically of psychically fit. Your logic is false.

Your logic is false, how can one be an instructor if he or she is not physically of psychically fit? Being an instructor is more intesive, requires more knowledge and expirence than piloting itself.

Quote[/b] ]Furthermore, there might be enough pilots. You don't employ a teacher if you dont need one. Just because it's a mother in law it doesn't mean she's right. Most women are mothers in law. The fact that she is your mother in law makes it probable that she's covering up the whole picture. Family members don't always speak the truth you know.

I'd rather believe his mother-in-law than the statements of the USSR, or you. It's much more plausible that she was a victim of discrimination than being on a job market that's full. First off, she wouldn't have a job as a pilot instructor if that were true, second, there's always a need for GOOD pilots, and being an instructor means you have better knowledge than a pilot just out of school.

Also, I missed the previous subtle accusation that my father and aunt are criminals. They must be if they fit in your scheme?

Quote[/b] ]I'm discussing socialism. Not communism. You don't even know what communism means. But that's normal.

You don't know what liberal means.

Quote[/b] ]Why would I? I'm building socialism where I live, not at some other place.

As said before, to expirence the system you are so vehemently defending and claiming it has not faults. Better yet, go to North Korea. According to you, your only experience with actually going to a socialist country was a visit, how about living?

Post after post you prove how completely delusional you are. Borderline insane. You are not discussing anything here, you are merely showing how twisted your mind really is and how much in denial you are.

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The purges were necessary but not necessarily 100% good. But I fully defend the labour camps.

Nationalism is an invention of the upper class to unite and control people under their rule. Just like the purpose of religion. That way people won't resist as much as they would otherwise.

I think a US BIS moderator censored a thread about the US politics I posted a while ago. That's called censorship and it's based on the mainstream ideology which we call liberalism.

Poor countries are the weakest link of capitalism. They see clear effects of it and how they are exploited. It isn't strange that they revolt.

Most people in South America are spaniards.

The Purges were not necessary. Stalin was extremely paranoid. For example Aircraft designers (who had some brilliant concepts) were hampered by Stalin as he thought they were enemies as he had experienced severe turbulence druing one flight and thought it was sabotage. But since you follow the argument that the Purges were necessary you must have to ask yourself why so many were killed. Socialism must have not been working very well if all that people were against it.

So you defend the Labour Camps. Well why don't we put you in one and see how you like it!

Nopey nopes. Language and culture is what makes nationalism. And according to your logic the Very Very Secret Evil Capitalist Rulersâ„¢ must have invented these concepts as well. This in turn must have meant that humans were mindless robots waiting for some input into their brain. Hilarious stuff! It is a sentiment based on common cultural characteristics.

We don't need several hundred threads on different aspects of US politics. There is one thread for all. If you posted in there it would have been fine. Simple. But no it is far easier for you to come up with some crazy conspiracy theory. Get a proper hobby.

Generally History has shown that countries that go TITS UP vote in governments that are either extreme right or left wing. Would the Soviet state have existed without WW1 making Russia a shitty mess? Me thinks not.

McWrong. If you look at what is going on in South America right now you will see attempts to resurrect their ancient cultures and drift away from the Spanish and US influence.

This topic has just went way off!

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Quote[/b] ]Time to wake up and smell the coffee, Spokesperson - south americans are south americans, they are not spaniards... Just like africans aren't portuguese/french/british/whatever former collonial power you'd like to choose...

Your reply is irrelevant. You disagree because you can disagree.

Most south americans are of spanish descent, therefore there's no reason to re-establish Maya, Inca, Aztec and whatever someone here wanted. It's absurd.

Quote[/b] ]Spokesperson isn't it democracy if anyone can go to a political party and say they are interested in joining and working politically up in that system? Democracy is the rule of the many, and my country Sweden has a bunch of parties with more or less similar views on different things from piracy to when kids in school shall be started to be given grades.. And all kinds of issues.

Sure sometimes people can be a bit upset at politicians saying things that are not with their views or putting laws and changing rules back and forth but in the end somewhere the people elected those guys and girls to run the show

Spokesperson you need to get your head out of the books and computers and be around people sometimes, go out take a drink, dance a little and stuff

That isn't enough. You both need an economic and political democracy. Without economic democracy there can be no political democracy and vice versa.

Quote[/b] ]Your logic is false, how can one be an instructor if he or she is not physically of psychically fit? Being an instructor is more intesive, requires more knowledge and expirence than piloting itself.

That depends on what you fly, how much you fly, and if you fly at all. In a planned economy the state doesn't control all companies in detail. If person X is employed or not is not of interest. It's up to the employers. And they didn't think she was fit to fly.

Quote[/b] ]I'd rather believe his mother-in-law than the statements of the USSR, or you. It's much more plausible that she was a victim of discrimination than being on a job market that's full. First off, she wouldn't have a job as a pilot instructor if that were true, second, there's always a need for GOOD pilots, and being an instructor means you have better knowledge than a pilot just out of school.

Also, I missed the previous subtle accusation that my father and aunt are criminals. They must be if they fit in your scheme?

You don't believe the 20 opinion polls I posted? Some mother-in-law knows better than the whole Russian people? Why would she be discriminated?

And why focus on possible USSR discrimination when it's clear that discrimination is a problem in all western countries even today. And your discrimination accusation is nothing compared to the race and gender discrimination done at the same time in the US for instance.

Quote[/b] ]You don't know what liberal means.

No? Then tell me.

Quote[/b] ]The Purges were not necessary. Stalin was extremely paranoid. For example Aircraft designers (who had some brilliant concepts) were hampered by Stalin as he thought they were enemies as he had experienced severe turbulence druing one flight and thought it was sabotage. But since you follow the argument that the Purges were necessary you must have to ask yourself why so many were killed. Socialism must have not been working very well if all that people were against it.

How do you know he was paranoid? Did you read it in the press? That turbulence story is another liberal fairy tale. Stalin ate kids and shot people at random from his balcony.

Socialism is the enemy of many people who want it down out of private interests. Social democrats attempted to murder Lenin, he was shot but survived. The social democrat got arrested by angry workers nearby. Other socialists were shot and murdered by reactionaries. They never got rid of that problem. And when finally Kirov was assassinated in the 30ies, Stalin had enough and performed a huge crack-down. After the purges no such things happened before and the stability of the country increased and remained. That was necessary for defeating the nazis and keeping the liberals at bay.

Quote[/b] ]So you defend the Labour Camps. Well why don't we put you in one and see how you like it!

I wouldn't like it, of course. I don't say that those who are in them like it. They shouldn't. You don't have to put my kind of people in labour camps because we are no threat, yet. But during the world war 2 you did. There were labour camps for leftists and communists in the whole of Europe, including "neutral" Sweden that you like so much.

Quote[/b] ]Nopey nopes. Language and culture is what makes nationalism. And according to your logic the Very Very Secret Evil Capitalist Rulersâ„¢ must have invented these concepts as well. This in turn must have meant that humans were mindless robots waiting for some input into their brain. Hilarious stuff! It is a sentiment based on common cultural characteristics.

Before the napoleonic wars there was no nationalism. Religion and nationalism naturally appeared among a small group of people, but the ones who promoted it and used it as a tool, were the rulers. The church and nation have always been in the hands of the upper class. It makes their rule "legit". God appointed them and thus their troops fight for some god. Same thing with nationalism and racism.

Quote[/b] ]We don't need several hundred threads on different aspects of US politics. There is one thread for all. If you posted in there it would have been fine. Simple. But no it is far easier for you to come up with some crazy conspiracy theory. Get a proper hobby.

It's no conspiracy theory. The moderators are not connected with anybody or anything else than society itself. I think I wrote a post where I stated that I support the iraqis and hoped that many americans would be shot while on their imperialist crusade for oil and against independence. Then this US mod came in, censored my post, put me on PR and threatened to ban me. Why? Because he is a part of society, he thinks what others tell him to think. He knows no other perspective than the liberal one.

Quote[/b] ]McWrong. If you look at what is going on in South America right now you will see attempts to resurrect their ancient cultures and drift away from the Spanish and US influence.

No, the indians just get the share of the proportional power that rightfully belongs to them. That's thanks to the socialist leaders that work with the aim to introduce democracy.