What's the diff?

[Clavicula_nox4817 0]

It's fast becoming  a love the game or be locked forum so many insulting remarkes about peole after they post negative issues with the game. Moderaters locking any post about a problem with the game good luck I'm outa here to before I loose my IQ.

That's ridiculous. There are tons of threads that bash the game while remaining open. The moderators just want one such thread for the sake of tidyness. What's the sense in having multiple "OMFG BIS I H8 U 4 KNOT M8KNG EVRY SOLDER SUPR INTLIGINT" threads?

Least now all the asinine "lolz kno VTOLz ur stupit" threads are gone.

[EricM 0]

Luciano is kind of annoying bashing the game all day long while saying he removed it from his hard drive a long time ago, BUT at least he's polite and does not insult anyone, so let him post, even though I don't agree with him.

[dwringer 45]

Would like to point out that the negative points list post above was pretty much nothing but opinion (well, except maybe for the fact that leaves don't blow... and thank god for that IMO, my cpu can barely cope as is ;p), while this thread is centered around factual differences between OFP and ArmA, so the mods doing something about it is certainly not a bad idea. But anyway, to make MY post relevant:

I don't see why anybody hasn't mentioned this, the one reason that really got me interested in ArmA in the first place,

TRACKIR.

Come on, there's simply NO other game out there that gives an experience even close right now. Flight sims? Sure, although the hardcore helicopter combat STILL hasn't arrived, and won't for probably at least a couple more months. The fact is, this game has more use of TrackIR than anything out there, not to mention the ONLY use when it comes to tactical shooters. Plus, the idea that 6DoF is in development almost makes me giddy

[dmarkwick 261]

Would like to point out that the negative points list post above was pretty much nothing but opinion (well, except maybe for the fact that leaves don't blow... and thank god for that IMO, my cpu can barely cope as is ;p), while this thread is centered around factual differences between OFP and ArmA, so the mods doing something about it is certainly not a bad idea. But anyway, to make MY post relevant:

I don't see why anybody hasn't mentioned this, the one reason that really got me interested in ArmA in the first place,

TRACKIR.

Come on, there's simply NO other game out there that gives an experience even close right now. Flight sims? Sure, although the hardcore helicopter combat STILL hasn't arrived, and won't for probably at least a couple more months. The fact is, this game has more use of TrackIR than anything out there, not to mention the ONLY use when it comes to tactical shooters. Plus, the idea that 6DoF is in development almost makes me giddy

Yep - TrackIR support. Hell I'd have paid what I paid for ArmA for support in OFP for TrackIR. From that point of view ArmA is a free game

[Guest]

Would like to point out that the negative points list post above was pretty much nothing but opinion (well, except maybe for the fact that leaves don't blow... and thank god for that IMO, my cpu can barely cope as is ;p), while this thread is centered around factual differences between OFP and ArmA, so the mods doing something about it is certainly not a bad idea. But anyway, to make MY post relevant:

I don't see why anybody hasn't mentioned this, the one reason that really got me interested in ArmA in the first place,

TRACKIR.

Come on, there's simply NO other game out there that gives an experience even close right now. Flight sims? Sure, although the hardcore helicopter combat STILL hasn't arrived, and won't for probably at least a couple more months. The fact is, this game has more use of TrackIR than anything out there, not to mention the ONLY use when it comes to tactical shooters. Plus, the idea that 6DoF is in development almost makes me giddy

I agree.

There is no game like this that I know of out there, guess its kinda like an *Oblivion* deal, most people WILL experience lag from time to time (depending on mission scale/nearby #$it going on/nearby density of foliage) unless u got a super puter. Going beyond most/All games (including the impossible to edit Oblivion ) you can do what you want with this, want to make a small mission, cool, want to make a mission that breaks the boundries of almost any mission out there? It can be done, considering the huge distance Bis has gone to not just *accomodate* mission editing, but to incorporate it as a major function of the game.

I also dont feel that people shouldnt post negatively about the game, they may not all be huge fans of Ofp going to Arma, and they may even be forum Trolls, but, these people are also indicators of problems within the game, that should be addressed, or at least looked at by Bis. Imho, for people that dont know much about downloading user missions and/or making their own, Arma does not offer up a whole lot in good quality mission content, that right there I personally can understand being a killer, but its just the way it is. Me - I would have bought this puppy without any mission content provided , but, alike lots of people here, Ive been an Ofp fan for a long time, and enjoy making/downloading missions more than using the content provided.

[Chris Death 0]

Apart from all of the above, also:

-Unecessary and hard controls for vehicles and aircraft.

-Less control of vehicle/aircraft.  If you use the mouse, it takes forever to turn......

-Different movement for soldiers.  Worst than OFP in my opinion.

-Really bad campaign + really short.

-Really bad missions (Not all of them, but most).

-Lots of AI bugs.

-Lots of graphic bugs.  Lod problems/etc.

-Very flawed HDR.  It doesn't happen on all cards, on most of them though.  You rotate a few degrees and the whole weather changes instantly.

-Trees/Grass react to the wind.  However the leaves on the trees don't.  Only the branches.  

-Bullets penetrate materials.  However, BIS forgot to code it properly, we got to wait for a MOD to finish it.  

-Tracers on every gun.

-Recoil on the Striker that moves the whole vehicle when you fire.

Im sure there's more, but those are the obvious......

Quote[/b] ]1:10km view distance

2:extremely dense foliage

3:amazing lighting and effects

You know you cant play like that, so why talk about it?  Unless you have the very best gaming machines out there, don't even think about it.  Most people play at about 2500-3000m distance, and on medium.

Well i know it's not that fair to point onto a dead corpse

with a gun and say: if you move i'm gonna shoot but:...

The first 3 points of Luciano can be cathegorized in:

some say yes others say no

The bad missions and bad campaigns aren't any reasons

for ofp veterans not to believe in ArmA - if you ask me.

How long did you guys enjoy in the official ofp missions or campaigns in relation to the time playing the game?

Lots of AI bugs which have already been fixed or are going

to get fixed once they get damn reported on the BIKI.

btw - about which game you're talking right now - ofp

or arma???

Lots of graphic bugg (lod problems etc.) which i never encounterd on my GF 7950 GT KO 512 mb + my medion Pentium D with 2 gigs of noname ram and a harddrive which

i don't care where it comes from and i'm sure it's not top

notch. Sorry for ppl having problems with serious setup

systems and proper hardware but i remember the days before

Y2K, where it also never was sure a game would run on your

pc or not - it's sometimes also a matter of luck and or the

right components in the right rig at the right time.

btw - he asked for: let's put all graphical aspects aside

and speak only about the game itself.

Trees/grass react to the wind and leaves on trees don't

errrm - f/off (sorry but that's not even worth to get

discussed seriously).

Bullets penetrate materials - errrm what does it have to

do with the question about the difference of ofp and arma?

And how was it better in ofp than in arma right now luciano?

Tracers on every gun - holy moly i should go back to ofp

because there weren't those damn tracers on all guns.

I'm sure you'll find more but those were pointless enough.

~S~ CD

[dwringer 45]

Well, he already said he was affiliated with Codemasters, so I wouldn't put too much stock in anything he says; although I'll admit he's good at picking at the flaws that exist. Oops, well I'm gonna just fade out of here now..

[william1 0]

well, i'll just say that when i played Oblivion i always use to say to myself : i wish i could play OFP in an enviroment like this ! . well, now i got it

[dirtylarrygb 0]

well, i'll just say that when i played Oblivion i always use to say to myself : i wish i could play OFP in an enviroment like this ! . well, now i got it

Affliated wth codemasters. pointing out flaws with ARMA>

Ok...

IGN2

Want me to list the flaws in public?

Even after the final patches....

ARMA pushes the entire Genre forward a decade, IGI was a 2 mile reverse for the genre from joint Op's.

Get busy with Colin mc'rally they are generally good, leave the military Sim's to the pro's. I'm sorry to be rude having worked for Eidos and EA, codemasters make good rally games. Want me to mention your RPG MMORPG success story ROFL? Archbore.

Now considered the Industry benchmark on how NOT to make a wow clone.

Archbore and Startrek:legup (Legacy) showed us all last year how to cock up a great idea, the public wanted Legup coming from the same people who brought distributed Oblivion which has changed single player RPG's and made it cool again.

Good luck with LOTR that looks great, but pls don't knock ARMA, ARMA probably cost 1/5th Archbore did.

if we had a Sundance Fetsival for games ARMA would win the lot this year, only company of hero's or Supreme commander can make PC gamers dribble at the pretty FX and fantasic new gameplay these titles offer.

[max power 21]

Luciano must totally suck at the game...

He also must have the most unfortunate rig in history...

Appart from the every-bullet-is-a-tracer thing, I'm not sure what he's talking about. I don't experience the bugs he's mentioning. I'm not through the campaign yet, and maybe it's short, but I'm finding it quite enjoyable.

[Luciano 0]

Maybe you should take a look in the support forum

If this game is so perfect, why so many problems then? Sure, the support forum is full of people with outdated rigs like mine

[Clavicula_nox4817 0]

Maybe you should take a look in the support forum    

If this game is so perfect, why so many problems then?  Sure, the support forum is full of people with outdated rigs like mine  

p.s. You guys want a job at Codemasters?  Maybe I can get some of you ubber modders connections.  They just have some entry positions available.  Just let me know.

So you're saying if they simply closed the support forum, thus erasing the threads, there would be no problems?

[max power 21]

What a response, Luciano. Are you saying that the ATI bugs, because they are reported, happen on all graphics cards? Are you saying they happen on all ATI graphics cards?

The game isn't as troubled as you seem to paint it. My system isn't super uber and it runs things fine. If your outdated system isn't up to snuff and you're experiencing bad AI behaviour because of it, perhaps it's time to consider upgrading.

[dirtylarrygb 0]

To tackle this points raised:

-Unecessary and hard controls for vehicles and aircraft.

Slighty more complex than BF2 or Joint Op's but more realistic and rewarding once mastered. So thats a bad point is it?

-Less control of vehicle/aircraft. If you use the mouse, it takes forever to turn......

Erm use your keybaord at the same time, or plug in a joystick then. Still no less worse than mouse controls in other games of the same Genre.

-Different movement for soldiers. Worst than OFP in my opinion.

Run, prone, stands etc, I'm personally happy with it.

-Really bad campaign + really short.

I liked it, plus once you finish the whole thing on realistic you can download free content from others or make your own.

-Really bad missions (Not all of them, but most).

Pretty similar to Delta force series style missions. But then again there are so many clever people making missions there are bound to be stuff that suits you.

-Lots of AI bugs.

No AI bugs any worse than any other game of this type, In fact lots of AI advances better than any other game of this type.

-Lots of graphic bugs. Lod problems/etc.

On crap PC's yep!, want to run a modern game with eye candy. Buy a modern PC.

-Very flawed HDR. It doesn't happen on all cards, on most of them though. You rotate a few degrees and the whole weather changes instantly.

Erm HDR that even works on a 7 series card while AA is on. Change you HDR setting from 8-16-32 and find which one you prefer. HDR in ARMA is excellent no other PC game is better for now.

-Trees/Grass react to the wind. However the leaves on the trees don't. Only the branches.

OK, got me on that one, but if that was to haooen in a game of this scale everyone would need a 8800 SLI rig to view the game.

-Bullets penetrate materials. However, BIS forgot to code it properly, we got to wait for a MOD to finish it.

Yep its not perfect but still better than BF2 or Joint Op's. So its not bad just not brilliant.

-Tracers on every gun.

Im sure a patch will add an option. NOT every gun fires tracers.

-Recoil on the Striker that moves the whole vehicle when you fire.

Not 100 correct, needs fixing, but the striker us still usable in the meantime.

You have niggles vs's just about the best Military Style FPS single or Multiplayer ever built. I could find flaws in BF2 or Joint Op's etc. Thing is no game is perfect.