Sparrow shot to death in the netherlands!

[Acecombat 0]

That was very genius of you gandalf , making this topic and all as people can come and take out all their 'no info on ArmA' frustration here ... over a bird since the Iraq/Terror thread isnt so 'hot' anymore .

[Bordoy 0]

Quote[/b] ]2: Should we legalise murder because we are going to die anyway?

We are talking about an animal, right?

Animals don't have the same basic rights humans have.  Animals aren't even equal to man.  They are here on earth to serve man.  To imply they are equal to man and as a result have the same rights as man is wrong.

-Pilot

Animals were here before man. Therfore, technically they should own it. But I don't think animals think like that. They just want to survive, not cause more problems like man has.

[crave22 0]

I, like many others, don't see what the big fuss is. I kill birds! (They have a fair chance, though. Grouse will scare the crap out of you when walking, and you can barely hit them sometimes.  I don't slaughter them mercilessly. I merely take my limit and leave.)

However, to get back on topic, it's just a little bird. Now, killing it to preserve entertainment is not exactly right, but when someone makes a huge fuss about it, it really blows it out of proportions. There are many more important matters to bitch about, but they choose to bitch about a little bird getting it's brains scrambled by an air rifle. Shouldn't those 'enviromentalists' be worrying about global warming or some other thing that they said would kill us all five or ten years ago?

Just my 2 cents.

EDIT- Is this de-ja-vu, or what? I could've sworn I saw this topic last week. Ah, well. I'm just losing me mind I guess.

[Student Pilot 0]

Quote[/b] ]Animals were here before man.

Assuming evolution is true...which it is not (oh boy, I probably just opened another can of worms )

Quote[/b] ]But I don't think animals think like that.

Animals don't have higher thinking, certainly nothing compared to man's level of thought (meaning that man has a higher thought process than animals.)

Quote[/b] ]Shouldn't those 'enviromentalists' be worrying about global warming or some other thing that they said would kill us all five or ten years ago?

Five or ten years ago they were talking about global cooling...

-Pilot

[ozanzac 0]

Sounds like a childish over-reaction to me.

Sure. I've hunted sparrows before. As a kid, I used to get $2.50 from my uncle for every sparrow I shot for him on his property, because they're regarded as pests come vintage.

But to shoot it just because it knocked down some useless dominoes.... Talk about having a tantrum!

It's a shame the sparrow didn't knock all the dominoes down, then shit all over them for good measure.

[EiZei 0]

Quote[/b] ]Animals were here before man.

Assuming evolution is true...which it is not (oh boy, I probably just opened another can of worms )

Another fine product of the Kansas education system I suppose.

Quote[/b] ]Five or ten years ago they were talking about global cooling...

30 years ago.

[Acecombat 0]

Quote[/b] ]Animals were here before man.

And in physical terms , how different is man then any animal? I thought we were friggin animals ourselves with only a superior brain ...

[Ares1978 0]

Legalize murder? Who says we haven't done it already? Murder is the deliberate taking of another human's life and last time I checked, most countries still trained people to do just that. We choose to call it by another name and try to justify it with a whole lot of excuses, but it's still murder. And that's fine by me.

Quote[/b] ]Animals were here before man.

Assuming evolution is true...which it is not (oh boy, I probably just opened another can of worms )

No, assuming that it isn't true. At least on two different levels.

Humans aren't the newest species on this planet (unless you believe that nice little storie about humans being created after the other animals) and after the last ice age, humans were among the first species to re-colonize the areas previously covered by ice. They did a whole lotta hunting and did a whole lotta fishing before sparrows showed up. They most likely didn't even spread so far north until as the Netherlands until much later. Besides, we're at the top of the food chain, we can do what we want to those below us.

Whoever can't keep a sparrow out of their "Record-Breaking" domino hall doesn't deserve a World Record.

And a sparrow that can't dodge a bullet doesn't deserve to live.

[soul_assassin 1750]

Quote[/b] ]and after the last ice age, humans were among the first species to re-colonize the areas previously covered by ice. They did a whole lotta hunting and did a whole lotta fishing

read that again. That logically makes no sence, if you're the first one to re-colonize then what ze fich were u hunting and fishing? Not to mention that all the things you people are saying about evolution and all are just THEORIES. I believe these theories but thats what they are just theories, no one knows for sure.

[Ares1978 0]

read that again. That logically makes no sence, if you're the first one to re-colonize then what ze fich were u hunting and fishing? Not to mention that all the things you people are saying about evolution and all are just THEORIES. I believe these theories but thats what they are just theories, no one knows for sure.

I assumed we were still talking about sparrows here. You left out that last part: "before sparrows showed up."

Evolution is fact. Remember that. And homo sapiens is just another animal.

[Postduifje 0]

Besides, we're at the top of the food chain, we can do what we want to those below us.

With great power comes great responsibility...

[Ares1978 0]

With great power comes great responsibility...

Whoever wins... We lose.

[Acecombat 0]

Quote[/b] ]With great power comes great responsibility...

Fact.

Quote[/b] ]Evolution is fact. Remember that. And homo sapiens is just another animal.

Us being animals doesnt actually proves evolution , theres still a lot of gray areas with that theory (evolution).

[Ares1978 0]

Quote[/b] ]With great power comes great responsibility...

Fact.

Myth.

Quote[/b] ]Us being animals doesnt actually proves evolution , theres still a lot of gray areas with that theory (evolution).

I never said it proves anything.

What gray areas?

[Acecombat 0]

Umm .. ok why is that myth?

Uncle ben said it in Spiderman , it HAS to be true .

Seriously though why not? Everyone who has the power to do things has greater responsibility then those who havent. Its pretty simple. Its his/her choice how he wields it though.

[Ares1978 0]

Everyone who has the power to do things has greater responsibility then those who havent.

Says who? It's opinion, not fact.

[Postduifje 0]

It's within the definition of responsibility as many ethics hold it: Foreseeability, Freedom of choice and Power of influence.

[Ares1978 0]

The key words being:

It's within the definition of responsibility as many ethics hold it: Foreseeability, Freedom of choice and Power of influence.

Opinion.

[Postduifje 0]

Are we talking about true/false or fact/opinion here?

Cause whether something is fact or opinion is defined by the way it is put in a sentence, it has little to do with absolute true or falseness.

[Ares1978 0]

Are we talking about true/false or fact/opinion here?

Cause whether something is fact or opinion is defined by the way it is put in a sentence, it has little to do with absolute true or falseness.

Whether it is fact or opinion is defined by whether or not it is based on evidence. I can't imagine how anybody is going to find any evidence that "With great power comes great responsibility" is a fact and not just an opinion.

[Postduifje 0]

Not entirely. You can say that about true and false to some extend, but things unproven by evidence can be true. You could say proven trues are true and proven untrues are false.

But fact and opinion are also a matter of formulation.

Quote[/b] ]I think god has the shape of an elephant, is colored purple and eats waffles all day

That, in contrary to what many think, is a fact. We can not debate whether I think that or not, it is given. Whether it's true or not is besides the order.

Quote[/b] ]god has the shape of an elephant, is colored purple and eats waffles all day

Is an opinion. It is unobservable what god looks like, or if he even exists. As you put it, there is no evidence, so it's a statement in a debate.

edit: Yes, the "with great power comes great responsability" was an opinion, but that doesn't say it's not true. Which by calling it a myth I figured you implied.

But now we should talk about sparrows again I think, we've wandered off a bit  

[soul_assassin 1750]

Evolution is fact. Remember that. And homo sapiens is just another animal.

Fact is something that can be proven. Evolution is a theory or even more like an axiom (everyone takes it to be so) and not a fact. For example alot of people will tell you that bible is fact. And that contradicts evolution. We got ourselves a conundrum!!

You are right about the animal part :

Quote[/b] ]

an·i·mal [ ánnəm'l ]

noun (plural an·i·mals)

Definitions:

1. living organism with independent movement: a living organism that is distinguished from plants by independent movement and responsive sense organs

we we have been distinguished with a higher intelegence thus we became known as HUMANS.

[Ares1978 0]

Fact is something that can be proven. Evolution is a theory or even more like an axiom (everyone takes it to be so) and not a fact. For example alot of people will tell you that bible is fact. And that contradicts evolution. We got ourselves a conundrum!!

Evolution is a fact and a theory. Evolution is easy to prove, too; not just that it has happened, but that the concept actually works. Facts require evidence and theories require facts. That's the difference, there is no "just a theory". The only reason why certain people refuse to accept it as fact is because of their own personal beliefs and generally speakin, it's a waste of time trying to convince them of that.

Quote[/b] ]we we have been distinguished with a higher intelegence thus we became known as HUMANS.

Higher intelligence is a characteristic but not the sole characteristic of our species. It's actually quite meaningless.

[harley 3 1185 0]

Whoever can't keep a sparrow out of their "Record-Breaking" domino hall doesn't deserve a World Record.

And a sparrow that can't dodge a bullet doesn't deserve to live.

Could you dodge a bullet?

This has gone way too far now, anyway. My only hope is someone had a nice sparrow stew...

[Ares1978 0]

Whoever can't keep a sparrow out of their "Record-Breaking" domino hall doesn't deserve a World Record.

And a sparrow that can't dodge a bullet doesn't deserve to live.

Could you dodge a bullet?

No, but I can shoot first.  

"If they can't prevent a bird from ruining their world record, they don't deserve a world record" follows exactly the same logic. It's not even relevant if I could dodge a bullet, they couldn't prevent that bird from almost ruining the record either.