What happened in Bosnia 1993?

[Guest]

Thanks for sharing the_shadow

really apreciated mate...one more text that convinces me the Army really is the way to go

NBR Out!

[Bernadotte 0]

When they reached the town of Bihac, they stopped on the request of the Americans, who had given the operation some support. Had Bihac been taken, Republika Srpska (the Bosnian-Serb republic) would have collapsed.

Bihac?  Don't you mean Brcko?

Bihac (dark purple) wasn't even part of Rep Srpska (light blue).  In fact, I thought Bihac was where Abdic was besieged before being swept aside during Storm.

Clearing Bihac was brilliant and essential to the rapid success of Storm.  Knin (Krajinan Serb capital) had always expected Croatia's attack to come from Zadar to the west.  They also relied heavily on Rep Srpska for reinforcements if/when the attack ever happened.

As I recall Storm began when AB attacked the Rep Srpska forces surrounding Bihacs.  Knin sent many troops to their aid not realising that Croatian regulars were involved and that the RS troops (and Bihac) would fall very quickly.  So just as Knin was being left relatively undefended the main Croat army attacked from the west.  A sizeable chunk of the Krajinan army got caught away from their base between the two converging forces.  Most surrendered quickly leaving Sisak and E. Slavonia completely vulnerable.

Within 3 days they'd recovered all of Krajina and had plenty of momentum to go forward from Slavonski Brod in Croatia into Bosanski Brod in the part of Rep Serpska known as the Brcko corridor.  

Brcko is the red dot on the very narrow part of the light blue territory connecting the 2 larger halves.  Taking that would indeed have ended the northern Banja Luka controlled half of RS, but Milosevic probably would have prevented the Pale controlled half from falling.

Please correct me if I'm getting it all wrong.  

[DracoPaladore 0]

Can anyone confirm the capture grizzly shot? I've never heard about that before, and my knowledge on what happened in places like Kosovo and Bosnia are limited.

[Apollo 0]

nm wrong post place.

[denoir 0]

When they reached the town of Bihac, they stopped on the request of the Americans, who had given the operation some support. Had Bihac been taken, Republika Srpska (the Bosnian-Serb republic) would have collapsed.

Bihac?  Don't you mean Brcko?

Sorry, you are right, not Bihac -  I meant Banja Luka.

And quite correct, it was in Bihac where Abdic was.

Banja Luka is the largest town in RS, and had it fallen there wouldn't have been much left of RS.

As for the Brcko corridor, you are quite correct, it's the strategically important passage that connects eastern and western RS territory. If I recall correctly, the Dayton agreement gave this to the Muslim-Croat federation, but gave the Serbs the right to freely use it.

Ex-RoNiN:

Quote[/b] ]Hm, I was under the impression that pretty much every military maneuver resulted in negative results for the civilian populations, i.e. lootings, killings, etc.

Well, I think it is difficult to find any military maneuver that doesn't result in very bad things for the civilians. For some reason civilians have and adverse reaction to being bombed and shot at - even if they're not the primary target.

In Krajina most bad things that happened, were after the military withdrew from the region. Insufficient police resources were deployed in the area. Croats who had been living in the area before the war returned and some took out the revenge against their former neighbour. For weeks, houses of Serbs that had fled were "mysteriously" exploding. And the police didn't move a finger. The Croatian government wasn't exactly interested in winning the "hearts and minds" of the Krajina Serbs - on the contrary, the government in Zagreb though it would be quite convenient if the Serbs never returned. So they looked the other way and put up all possible bureaucratic rules to prevent the refugees to return.

Not nice at all, but with immense popular support. Most Croats thought that the Serbs had it coming and they were just getting a taste of their own medicine. (The Hague has since charged Gotovina, the former army chief of staff for not protecting the civilians after "Storm" and for failing to punish the individuals who committed war crimes)

The international community did of course not approve of this. And while the destruction of Serbian private property stopped fairly quickly, Croatia did everything to make it difficult for people to return. It was first after Tudjman's death in 1999 and the election of a new government that the policy was completely reversed and the return of Croatian-Serbs from Krajina was facilitated rather than obstructed.

[ralphwiggum 6]

fast foward 12 years,

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news....LEE.XML

Quote[/b] ]SARAJEVO (Reuters) - The ethnically divided Bosnian city of Mostar has agreed to erect a new symbol of unity -- a statue of kung fu legend Bruce Lee, worshipped by Muslims, Serbs and Croats.

A group of enthusiasts came up with the idea of honouring the childhood hero of the city's ethnic groups in 2003, on the 30th anniversary of his death. They launched the project, found donors and waited a year for the city's approval.

"We plan to erect the statue in November in the centre of the city," Veselin Gatalo, a member of the Urban Movement organisation, told Reuters by telephone on Monday.

"This will be a monument to universal justice that Mostar needs more than any other city I know."

He said Mostar, scene of fighting between Muslims and Croats in 1993-1994, needed a symbol of justice, mastery and honesty -- virtues upheld by the late Chinese-American actor.

Born in San Francisco, Lee starred in several kung fu movies, including 1973's "Enter the Dragon". He died at the age of 32 from swelling on the brain.

A German organisation agreed last year to sponsor the project with a 5,000 euro grant.

The statue, cast in bronze and showing the martial arts master in a typical fighting pose, will be designed by a local sculptor and put up in central Mostar.

Lee's widow Linda will be invited to attend the ceremony.

For years, reconciliation in post-war Mostar was slower than anywhere else in Bosnia. But the reconstruction of the city's Old Bridge last year has helped reunite Muslim and Croat communities separated by the river.

[denoir 0]

Um..well..that's just.. weird  

[Necromancer- 0]

Um..well..that's just.. weird  

Yet, probably effective...

[Bernadotte 0]

Nearly every nation tends to single out and pick on the people of some other nation or ethnicity in their humour.  In Croatia, people are always telling jokes about Hercegovinian Croats; always making them out to be a few trees short of a forest.  They can probably count on this statue to seal their reputation for at least a few more generations.

[Radnik 18]

@denoir,

... i wanted to quote some of your words,

but i didn`t want to get into endless discussion

hense i guess you`r to into this subject matter ...

and you shurely know all what happen and who is what and

what is right and wrong.

i just say it`s just not that simple denoir, those were 4 years of

hard life... for everyone i say ! and getting know all what happen

in those year will be hard assign ... specialy to judge on who`s

the bad guy here.

but also, wanted to say as much as i do not agree on what you

have said, i prize your energy to get know what realy heppened.

and i just hope that time will show who`s right and who`s wrong,

being on one side will not give you the right picture, and not

to try to view it from others side as well.

there is so much to tell on this matter and mostly i argee on 98% what Ex-RoNiN said, and what i wanted to say.

[chops 111]

I have a good friend who lives near Mostar. I visited him in 2001 and just returned home from there last week.

I have to say I noticed a huge improvement in the place. There are new buildings everywhere and a lot of repairs have been completed. It's a strange sight to see an ultra-modern glass and steel office block, next door to a bullet-riddled, cratered ruin.

I mentioned this to my mate and his wife, who agreed, but also said that a lot of the new buildings were churches and mosques, with both groups trying to out do each other with the size and grandeur of the buildings. They also said that there's still a great deal of tension remaining between the two sides and that they weren't certain about a peaceful future...

Perhaps a bit of "...the art of fighting without fighting" is just whats needed

[Sniperwolf572 758]

Statue of Bruce Lee - IMO bad idea, if he was bosnian citizen then I would allow it, but why in the hell does someone want a statue of Mr. Lee, I think some idiot watched too many of his Kung Fu movies. It's like making a statue of Tito in Washington.

Today Mostar is still conflicting zone, at least in religion, everyone is making as many mosques/churches as they can and they drive each other crazy, IMO they're acting like big babies.

Today in Sarajevo there is a mosque every 300m, not that I'm having anything against that, but I don't see the point.

Bad Guy - There we're alot of bad guys in that war, but we all know witch side made most mass murders.

[ralphwiggum 6]

if Bruce Lee's statue is not your taste maybe this might be.

http://www.nbc4.tv/irresistible/4992357/detail.html

Quote[/b] ]LESCOVAC, Serbia -- Serbia has the answer for anyone who has ever wished for a bigger burger.

Cooks in Serbia Sunday put together a huge hamburger.

By the time the pressing and processing was completed at the 16th barbecue competition in Leskovac, the monster hamburger patty weighed more than 62 pounds.

A team of cooks then grilled the burger and served it up on a cornbread bun, and it was ready for the Guinness Book of Records.

The team of cooks was particularly happy with this year's effort because their monster burger outweighed last year's effort by 2.5 pounds.

[DracoPaladore 0]

How do you flip such a monster burger?

[Nemesis6 0]

How do you flip such a monster burger?

Get someone of equal proportions to do it. Get Michael Moore.

[4 IN 1 0]

i always want to know if those who had been in the UNPF at the time thinks that the price they gave worth it,

i know someone say that yes it worth it, but would like to know how other thinks