Black Hawk Down

[CanadianTerror 0]

Quote[/b] ]What's your point here?

I asked you why wasnt your mod mentioned anywhere when the original addon/pics came out (2003)  because that looks like you had nothing to do with it considering you are using these units as advertising for your mod and taking credit for them.

Your response is that i dont like the mod and my questions are stupid and tell me its spam.

It'd just be nice to see some proof that you make the addons you claim you do. It doesnt look that way in that newspost.

[HOBOMAN 0]

Sorry to say but most of the stuff you are making is already made.

BAS Made Blackhawks and Little Birds

CBT Made Humvees in desert camo from the 1985-1995 era

HYK Made 93 desert rangers

BAS Made Delta force

BAS Made Tonal Miltia men which are basically generic african opfor in civilian clothes and vehicles

HiJacker Made a BHD island (I guess if you use tonal objects it could look better)

Still good work,

the most important thing for your mod is a good campaign and figuring out how to make it realistic but not lag.

[DBR_ONIX 0]

I really think you should focus on the island and campaigns with this, instead of reamking stuff that has just been listed by HOBOMAN.. There's still stuff missing, but not from the US side

(There are some stuff being made, like the Iraqi Rebels, and there is an IED pack etc, but for example the IED pack could be improved)

Not forcing you to do anything, just strongly suggesting

- Ben

[jagy. 0]

@HOBOMAN:

BAS Made Blackhawks and Little Birds - we cant make any changes in BAS addons

CBT Made Humvee - our Humvee was been made early tha CBT Hummer

HYK Made 93 desert rangers - arent realistic

BAS Made Delta force - not good enough

BAS Made Tonal Miltia - same as BAS DF

HiJacker Made a BHD island - not good enough

[thesun 14]

Quote[/b] ]What's your point here?

I asked you why wasnt your mod mentioned anywhere when the original addon/pics came out (2003) because that looks like you had nothing to do with it considering you are using these units as advertising for your mod and taking credit for them.

Your response is that i dont like the mod and my questions are stupid and tell me its spam.

It'd just be nice to see some proof that you make the addons you claim you do. It doesnt look that way in that newspost.

I wasn't thinking abou spam...it's your opinion.

If you're talking about the soldiers we're not thinking about using the rangers on the pic because the're old and belong to Laser.

NOBODY said we want to use them.

And about other models...the're made by our team. If you want some proof then ask Maa who made M113, Hmmwv and Uh-60 for Update1 and M16 of course.

[PureMassacre 0]

You could always use Laser's Delta if you don't like the BAS ones.

What will be different about your MH-60L and Littlebirds? The only thing that I think would need changing are the anims on the MH-6.

[Big Dawg KS 6]

You could always use Laser's Delta if you don't like the BAS ones.

What will be different about your MH-60L and Littlebirds? The only thing that I think would need changing are the anims on the MH-6.

Laser's latest ranger/delta pack includes everything you need for Black Hawk Down, it even has some of the faces such as Eversman, Sanderson, Steele, McKnight, and more...

[Silent Pro 0]

@Hurby

I would get into this if anyone is willing to listen and discuss this maturely but, my instinct tells me otherwise. I've been down the path of constructive criticism before and I can say that the reactions from the fans and followers is what i worry about more so than the creators. So if you, and the authors are willing to discuss this in an appropriate manner, I'm all for it. If not, well...good luck BHD mod.

@jagy

I never said your mod started 6 months ago, what i was trying to say is that within the past 6 months better addons have been in existance than the ones you have already produced. Those old units by LSR were surpassed by BAS's units, now LSR has great Delta's for Operation Restore Hope as does Hyk with regard to the rangers.

I believe BAS's MH60L and Littlebird need no modification to fit the time period in which you are trying to reproduce, they have virtually everything you need to effectively recreate the battle of Mogadishu. As i mentioned before if you're willing to discuss this maturely, then great! Otherwise this is all you're going to hear from me.

Theres already a lot of detail in those addons, why make things harder and delay the project even more when you can build on top of what is already considered to be excellent work. The same goes for the HMMVW's and the m113's. What may be great for CSLA is not necessarily good for Black Hawk Down.

[HOBOMAN 0]

@HOBOMAN:

BAS Made Blackhawks and Little Birds - we cant make any changes in BAS addons

CBT Made Humvee - our Humvee was been made early tha CBT Hummer

HYK Made 93 desert rangers - arent realistic

BAS Made Delta force - not good enough

BAS Made Tonal Miltia - same as BAS DF

HiJacker Made a BHD island - not good enough

The Bas pbo files are encrypted right? Since BAS no longer makes OFP addons I'm sure if you ask they would let you edit their helocopter addons. For HYK rangers I understand your concern for realism but the textures and models used can be modified to suit your needs if you ask permission. I'm not suggesting that you should just use other peoples work entirely, but that their work can be improved by you to suit your needs.

[jagy. 0]

The Bas pbo files are encrypted right? Since BAS no longer makes OFP addons I'm sure if you ask they would let you edit their helocopter addons. For HYK rangers I understand your concern for realism but the textures and models used can be modified to suit your needs if you ask permission. I'm not suggesting that you should just use other peoples work entirely, but that their work can be improved by you to suit your needs.

@HOBOMAN:

nobody have permission to change BAS addons i think...

About soldiers models ... we can use some released addons, maybe LSR´s Ranger´s, Delta´s if we give permission to use/change it.

[deathsai 0]

@HOBOMAN:

BAS Made Blackhawks and Little Birds - we cant make any changes in BAS addons

CBT Made Humvee - our Humvee was been made early tha CBT Hummer

HYK Made 93 desert rangers - arent realistic

BAS Made Delta force - not good enough

BAS Made Tonal Miltia - same as BAS DF

HiJacker Made a BHD island - not good enough

Care to explain how your mod is going to be so superior to these already high-quality addons? I only agree with you on the island problem, there's been a lot of Mogadishu islands, but nothing that really immerses you in a large, desert-African-urban enviorment.

And I'll only agree with you on the Militia problem if you make weapons with very high dispersion, much more than the weapons the Tonal Militia use. Or at least the armed civvies.

[Silent Pro 0]

Modifications to BAS's blackhawks are allowed, but only limited to textures and skinning. Model changes are explicitly prohibited. Why anyone would want to modify that model is beyond me.

I agree with DeathSai, if you feel those addons are not sufficient please state why you are reinventing the wheel. Nobody really knows what kind of quality you are reaching for, the only thing we know is that your current weapons look good.

[Ranger Bob 0]

Wow, guys. Some really encouraging replies here!

I like to see mods that are consistent, i.e. things match. This is usually acheived by the mod creating everything from scratch as things will be modelled and textured in a similar way and will complement each other.

From what I've seen, you're acheiving this and doing a damned fine job of it. Keep up the good work!

Best looking Car15s and Hummers I've seen.

[privatenoob 0]

Yea I want more Total Conversion mods so I dont have to download 20 different addons to play some missions and this sure looks promising.

Im gonna start warming up by watching the movie again.

Keep up the good work guys.

[stgn 39]

I like to see mods that are consistent, i.e. things match. This is usually acheived by the mod creating everything from scratch as things will be modelled and textured in a similar way and will complement each other.

Couldent agree more, this mod also has a special way of making textures and they fit each other very good from what I have seen.

Also whats up with this addon dictatorship if a mod wants to make and use its own models and textures there should be no problem at all.

STGN

[wipman 1]

Hi, i like the look like of that XM177E2-SD+M68+FL but u could add a black shadow in the edges of the hand guard; that MH60L looks really well to me. And if it runs well in a PC with those specs... then every OFP player could use it without problems; i think that no one needs any 18.000 faces MH60 whatever or HH60 whatever.

And if i had to do it & i'll know how... i'll make my own deltas & rangers; 106Mb of units isn't good for the same reason. With all that in the memory, there's no room for waypoints, scripts, AI orders, addon APC's/IFV's or MBT's + cars, addon buildings or any other addon that don't be that; the BIS desert island + a MH60L + 8 rangers or deltass... & with luck... u'll get more than 12fps. Anyway... the main idea it's that those addons look good. Let's cu

[HOBOMAN 0]

Important question,

Is the mod based on the movie or the actual operation restoring hope incident? Because the movie varies a lot from what really happened.

[Gedis 0]

jagy.

it's great news, that bhd mod is still alive and functional!

finaly, i can give you a video made by Discovery channel, it's "The True story of Black Hawk Down".

I will send you a PM with download link.

After you will download it, alert me and i will give this link for all community (some knowledge woun't do harm for you, people...)

well, csla update 1 is instaled and i continue does saves made long time ago, today i played first new mission

as in editor, i tryed your hummer and uh-60, just amazing that black hawk doesn't have so many vertices or how do you call them, textures made it smooth as never before... thought i didn't put them near bas black hawks... but thing is clear, your uh-60s are lagless and thats great!

P.S. Night Stalker helicopter squadron pilots are best ever been in action (you will see why on the movie...)

It's worth making bhd on ofp, because delta force:bhd looks odd, strange... and for those who fought there in MOG i can only garantee, that i will remember that real war story till my days will be counted...

[Silent Pro 0]

Did anyone here dictate jagy's direction for his mod? No. Are we curious to know where it's going, Yes! Are we asking questions? Yes! Are we allowed to ask? I would think so, otherwise this sure as hell wouldn't be much of a discussion now would it.

What is the point of opening up a thread to discuss a project if the fans continue to get their toes stepped on, when people ask questions.

"Please god, save me from your followers".

[jagy. 0]

Thanks to all guys for critism and support.

And special thanks to Gedis for link.

[thesun 14]

Hi, i like the look like of that XM177E2-SD+M68+FL but u could add a black shadow in the edges of the hand guard; that MH60L looks really well to me. And if it runs well in a PC with those specs... then every OFP player could use it without problems; i think that no one needs any 18.000 faces MH60 whatever or HH60 whatever.

And if i had to do it & i'll know how... i'll make my own deltas & rangers; 106Mb of units isn't good for the same reason. With all that in the memory, there's no room for waypoints, scripts, AI orders, addon APC's/IFV's or MBT's + cars, addon buildings or any other addon that don't be that; the BIS desert island + a MH60L + 8 rangers or deltass... & with luck... u'll get more than 12fps. Anyway... the main idea it's that those addons look good. Let's cu

You've got the point. Our Addons are made to as much lagless as they can be (i hope they will) and look good on the other hand. Many of those standalone addons are detailed and someone can say "perfect" but they're lagy too and use large amount of them wil highly decrease your fps.

So that's our way

[stgn 39]

Theres already a lot of detail in those addons, why make things harder and delay the project even more when you can build on top of what is already considered to be excellent work. The same goes for the HMMVW's and the m113's. What may be great for CSLA is not necessarily good for Black Hawk Down.

Excuse me but what did you mean then by this last line?

Okay maby dictate is the rong word, it was chosen is lack of better, maby its just me, but it seems more and more people are trying to tell other what to make insted of what they are making.

On topic:

Are you guys gonna make a G3 rifle don't know if it was used in reallife but it was in the movie and prity cool for OPFOR.

STGN

[jagy. 0]

On topic:

Are you guys gonna make a G3 rifle don't know if it was used in reallife but it was in the movie and prity cool for OPFOR.

STGN

Yeah, we have G3. Model by me, textured by Geo. Screen will be posted later.

[DBR_ONIX 0]

What may be great for CSLA is not necessarily good for Black Hawk Down.

Excuse me but what did you mean then by this last line?

He means that they made every single thing them self (They have a large team from what I can tell), including replacing some BIS stuff, where as for a mod team this size, it's probobaly not the best idea if you want a release this side of the apolypse

I understand what your doing, making low-poly models (Well, compared to others), but earlier you just said certains things "Were not good enough", which was a little.. nvm..

Anyway, good luck with your mod, and I hope your new wheel is faster than the shiney new ones

- Ben

[Jay L.Macrae 0]

The operation flashpoint engine is one evil son of a bidge, (cruel words, yes, I know...) but a flexible one, that is.

Ever tried to make a civilian skoda take a tight U-turn perfectly... no luck eh? Even on a straight road two Ural's (one behind the other) will end up crashing into each other.

The battles that took place in Mogadishu, Somalia were CQB's.

To re-create anything similar to those events in 1993 in OFP would require extreme co-ordination between the models, scripts and animations.

U can't just take a CBT Humvee and have it navigate between anyones Mogadishu streets. The streets must have the right dimentions and LOD's to suit a cearten Humvee which also has the correct LOD's and dimentions. Plus all the action has to be script driven, otherwise the Humvee will stop at every somali and get blown up, into the 7'th heaven, by anyones RPG.

So there is no way u could use all these different addons without modifyng them.

Such a MOD is better off with it's own stuff which would work in the environment they want them to work...

They may end up with 3 Blackhawks: one for flying, the second one for fastropeing and the third one for takeing the plunge. Brace yourselves cause it's going to be difficult!

If this Black Hawk Down Mod succeeds in making the addons and atleast one working mission (not even dreaming of a campaign)for OFP I will... I will... I'll do something good...