The Middle East part 2

[Bernadotte 0]

~ snipped double post ~  

[Bordoy 0]

btw, the neighberhood that we bombed in beirut was the main Hizballah neigberhood, almost everybody there was a hizballah supporterd - You should have seen the videos of them going to the streets, throwing candys, shooting in the air when they heard about the two kidhaaped soldiers.

Israel dropped leafets before everybombing telling that this area is going to be bombed, It's not like suddnly "Boom" their dead and not knowing it, I mean they know that the are is going to be bombed.

Not that it's ok, but we did warned them.

So being a supporter of Hezbollah automatically maes you a terrorist now does it?

[dmakatra 1]

You should have seen the videos of them going to the streets, throwing candys, shooting in the air when they heard about the two kidhaaped soldiers.

What videos? Broadcasted on Israeli news? I remember such videos after 9/11 of people cheering that the American Devils had been killed. Turned out a few weeks later that most of those videos were fake in one way another. It could be a planned set by the journalist so s/he could have the most chocking news, or it could be archive footage of something completely irrelevant - or something else just as stupid.

Bummer, isn't it?

[shinRaiden 0]

This is friggin hilarious

Jerusalem Post

Quote[/b] ]

US President George W. Bush expressed his frustration over the situation in the Middle East by using an expletive in comments to British Prime Minister Tony Blair Monday.

Not realizing his remarks were being picked up by a microphone at a summit of world leaders, Bush bluntly expressed his frustration with the actions of Hizbullah.

"See, the irony is what they really need to do is to get Syria to get Hizbullah to stop doing this shit and it's over," Bush told Blair in a discussion before the Group of Eight leaders began their lunch.

Bush's remarks were picked up by the summit's closed-circuit television, which was filming the leaders sitting down to eat. Normally, the images would have been transmitted with sound that does not allow reporters to pick out individual comments. But in this case a microphone picked up Bush's comments to Blair.

Blair, whose remarks were not as clearly heard, appeared to be pressing Bush about the importance of getting international peacekeepers into the region.

[Nemesis6 0]

Donnervogel, seems it is you who's ignoring facts. To quote,

Quote[/b] ]Palestinian minister Abdel Rahman Zeidan told the BBC the Hamas-Fatah document did not in any way recognize the state of Israel.

[Donnervogel 0]

Donnervogel, seems it is you who's ignoring facts. To quote,

Quote[/b] ]Palestinian minister Abdel Rahman Zeidan told the BBC the Hamas-Fatah document did not in any way recognize the state of Israel.

Would you please read what I write and stop wasting my time? Thx much appreciated.

[EiZei 0]

You should have seen the videos of them going to the streets, throwing candys, shooting in the air when they heard about the two kidhaaped soldiers.

What videos? Broadcasted on Israeli news? I remember such videos after 9/11 of people cheering that the American Devils had been killed. Turned out a few weeks later that most of those videos were fake in one way another. It could be a planned set by the journalist so s/he could have the most chocking news, or it could be archive footage of something completely irrelevant - or something else just as stupid.

Bummer, isn't it?

Actually they were:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.htm

[dmakatra 1]

You should have seen the videos of them going to the streets, throwing candys, shooting in the air when they heard about the two kidhaaped soldiers.

What videos? Broadcasted on Israeli news? I remember such videos after 9/11 of people cheering that the American Devils had been killed. Turned out a few weeks later that most of those videos were fake in one way another. It could be a planned set by the journalist so s/he could have the most chocking news, or it could be archive footage of something completely irrelevant - or something else just as stupid.

Bummer, isn't it?

Actually they were:

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.htm

I stand corrected. Although my original point with the post is still there. I don't trust Libanese nor Israelic media while the two parts are in a conflict.

[Nemesis6 0]

Dmakatra, are you talking about Al-Manar when you refer to Lebanon, or...?

I think you're being overly cautious when ignoring Israeli media. They get a lot of their reports from AP and AFP, who are the ones who are REALLY biased.

[mattxr 9]

If they did have a strong goverment they wouldnt let terroists control the borders and live in their country would they..

i wouldnt mind my house being destroyed to remove a greater evil.. becuase then i can start again in peace.

[Donnervogel 0]

Hizbollah rocket fire hits Israeli hospital: medics

Quote[/b] ]JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A rocket fired by Lebanese guerrilla group Hizbollah hit a hospital in the northern Israeli town of Safed on Monday and medics said they feared there could be casualties.

The strike came as a barrage of around two dozen rockets fired from Lebanon struck towns and cities across the north, including Haifa, Israel's third-largest city.

Another outrageous chapter in this crisis

How accurate are those rockets? I don't think they are too accurate so this hit *could* be unintentional. Yet they obviously won't mind it and count it as a success which is the really outrageous thing. Quite disgusting mindset of those radicals. Unfortunatly I fear the common civilians on both sides will again pay most for it when the revenge and counter revenge takes place.

[mp_phonix 0]

How accurate are those rockets?

for example - you can aim at haifa and hit it, but you can't  target specific bulding, like that hospital. These are Grad missles not J-DAMs.

[Stealth3 0]

I don't know about you guys, but something's not smelling right here.

First, the IDF declared that one of its ships was lightly hit by a rocket. Then, they said it was hit by a UAV with explosives. Then they said by a missile. Now, by an Iranian missile operated by Iranians. Whats next?

Fog of war, sure it is. So I don't know about you, but I tend to look at more sources before making an opinion.

They say that Iran and Syria backs hezbolah up, and some think thats legitimate reasons for Israel to attack these nations.

We know that hezblolah is considered a terrorist organization by the US and Israel. Reading about it, I heard they condamned the beheadings in Iraq and the 9/11 attacks. So what makes them different from other terrorists?

Now lets go back in time. During the Soviet invation of Afghanistan, the rebels were considered terrorists by the Soviet Union. Not by anyone else though. And we now know the US backed them up with weapons and funds.

So the question is: What exactly is the difference between the US backing of Alqaeda during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the Iran backing of Hezbolah?

And being the Cold War should not make the answer any different, as just like during that time, nations also have self interests.

What I don't understand is why they even bothered to "warn" civilians of incoming attacks. First of all, the roads were bombed, bridges were destroyed, airport is bombed, ports are bombed. So how can you get out of harms way? You really can't. And 2 hours warnings before the bombings won't make a difference. I think its so they have a justification for colateral damage.

You can justify bombing the roads and bridges by saying that hezbolah reinforcements could arrive, although it sound dumb, or that they might fly the hostages away. But what is the justification for bombing the power plant?

Again, when you fight a state, your goals can be to destroy the infrastructure. But when you fight a militia that doesn't work as destroying the economy wont destroy them. It brings more hate.

[mattxr 9]

Hezbollah, Syria and Iran are using our country as a battleground against Israel quoted from Nayef, Beirut

[My_Shortcoming 0]

Overheard the news of over 100 missiles were fired yesterday into Israel and Israel retaliated with massive bombardments on the enemy. This isnt a war, its just a slaughter of civilians, and as stated abover the battlefield is in the cities.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

a picture often sais more than a thousand words and this one makes me feel uncomfortable but it shows somehow what is wrong with also mindwise!

[mp_phonix 0]

a picture often sais more than a thousand words and this one makes me feel uncomfortable but it shows somehow what is wrong with also mindwise!

Are those Israeli or Lebanonis kids ? I can't read german.

[EiZei 0]

Are those Israeli or Lebanonis kids ? I can't read german.

I suppose "from israel" getting written on those munitions might be a bit of a giveaway..

[mp_phonix 0]

Oh didn't noticed that  

those are probably the kids living in the areas that are being bombed with katyushas

{not that I support them writing it on the shells}

[whisper 0]

when have these pics been taken? You can tell whatever you want with such pictures

[-ZG-BUZZARD 0]

@ mp_phoenix: It's english on that picture and one of the lines reads: "from Israel"... anyway those being shells and not rockets should obviate to any warfare specialist up to speed with who is doing what over there that those are Israelis depicted on that image... it's Israel who's doing the shelling and Hezbollah doing the rocketing...

Btw, did anybody get the whole of that incident at that G8 meeting where the microphones of Blair and Bush were still on after they should have been turned off? The only thing I got was something about sending Condoleeza Rice somewhere and Bush's last sentence: "The Israelis just have to tell the Syrians to stop this shit.", or something along those lines... I wonder if anybody has a full transcript of what was said? In any case, using words like "shit" should be avoided in diplomacy, especially when the talk is between the heads of state, even between countries who share the same mother language...

[whisper 0]

some info about this here :

http://www.channel4.com/more4/news/news-opinion-feature.jsp?id=326

Quote[/b] ]Parts of the conversation are inaudible and here is what we think was said:

George Bush: Yeah Blair, what are you doing?

Tony Blair: I'm just...

GB: You're leaving?

TB: No, no, no not yet. On this trade thingy...[inaudible]

GB: yeah I told that to the man

TB: Are you planning to say that here or not?

GB: If you want me to

TB: Well, it's just that if the discussion arises...

GB: I just want some movement.

TB: Yeah

GB: Yesterday we didn't see much movement

TB: No, no, it may be that it's not, it maybe that it's impossible

GB: I am prepared to say it

TB: But it's just I think what we need to be is in a position&

GB: Who is introducing the trade?

TB: Angela

GB: Tell her to call 'em

TB: Yes

GB: Tell her to put me on the spot. Thanks for sweater it's awfully thoughtful of you

TB: It's a pleasure

GB: I know you picked it out yourself

TB: Oh, absolutely, in fact I knitted it. [Laughter]

GB: What about Kofi [inaudible] his attitude to ceasefire and everything else ... happens

TB: Yeah, no I think the [inaudible] is really difficult. We can't stop this unless you get this international business agreed.

GB: Yeah

TB: I don't know what you guys have talked about Israel, but as I say I am perfectly happy to try and see what the lie of the land is - but you need that done quickly because otherwise it will spiral

GB: I think Condi is going to go pretty soon

TB: But that's, that's all that matters. But if you, you see it will take some time to get that together

GB: Yeah, yeah

TB: But at least it gives people...

GB: It's a process, I agree. I told her your offer too...

TB: Well...it's only if I mean... you know. If she's got a..., or if she needs the ground prepared as it were... Because obviously if she goes out, she's got to succeed as it were, whereas I can go out and just talk

GB: You see, the irony is what they need to do is to get Syria, to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit and it's over

TB: [inaudible]

GB: [inaudible]

TB: Syria

GB: Why?

TB: Because I think this is all part of the same thing

GB: Yeah.

TB: What does he think? He thinks if Lebanon turns out fine, if we get a solution in Israel and Palestine, Iraq goes in the right way...

GB: Yeah, yeah, he is sweet

TB: He is honey. And that's what the whole thing is about. It's the same with Iraq

GB: I felt like telling Kofi to call, to get on the phone to Bashir Assad and make something happen

TB: Yeah

GB: [inaudible]

TB:

GB: We are not blaming the Lebanese government

TB: Is this...?

[Tony Blair is seen reaching towards the microphone and the sound is cut off at this point].

[Donnervogel 0]

that is a recent image from AFP.

You can see the whole archive in english language here:

Crisis in the Middle East: Lebanon Faces Continued Bombardment

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

when have these pics been taken? You can tell whatever you want with such pictures

these pics were taken probably yesterday. I am not judging but I believe these children are not being properly taught what war is all about. My parents would not have allowed me to do something like this and I would have had to listen to their disciplinary talk about war all day long! Back then I found that exaggerated, now I somewhat get a grasp of what it means.

[-ZG-BUZZARD 0]

some info about this here :

http://www.channel4.com/more4/news/news-opinion-feature.jsp?id=326

Quote[/b] ]Parts of the conversation are inaudible and here is what we think was said:

George Bush: Yeah Blair, what are you doing?

Tony Blair: I'm just...

GB: You're leaving?

TB: No, no, no not yet. On this trade thingy...[inaudible]

GB: yeah I told that to the man

TB: Are you planning to say that here or not?

GB: If you want me to

TB: Well, it's just that if the discussion arises...

GB: I just want some movement.

TB: Yeah

GB: Yesterday we didn't see much movement

TB: No, no, it may be that it's not, it maybe that it's impossible

GB: I am prepared to say it

TB: But it's just I think what we need to be is in a position&

GB: Who is introducing the trade?

TB: Angela

GB: Tell her to call 'em

TB: Yes

GB: Tell her to put me on the spot. Thanks for sweater it's awfully thoughtful of you

TB: It's a pleasure

GB: I know you picked it out yourself

TB: Oh, absolutely, in fact I knitted it. [Laughter]

GB: What about Kofi [inaudible] his attitude to ceasefire and everything else ... happens

TB: Yeah, no I think the [inaudible] is really difficult. We can't stop this unless you get this international business agreed.

GB: Yeah

TB: I don't know what you guys have talked about Israel, but as I say I am perfectly happy to try and see what the lie of the land is - but you need that done quickly because otherwise it will spiral

GB: I think Condi is going to go pretty soon

TB: But that's, that's all that matters. But if you, you see it will take some time to get that together

GB: Yeah, yeah

TB: But at least it gives people...

GB: It's a process, I agree. I told her your offer too...

TB: Well...it's only if I mean... you know. If she's got a..., or if she needs the ground prepared as it were... Because obviously if she goes out, she's got to succeed as it were, whereas I can go out and just talk

GB: You see, the irony is what they need to do is to get Syria, to get Hezbollah to stop doing this shit and it's over

TB: [inaudible]

GB: [inaudible]

TB: Syria

GB: Why?

TB: Because I think this is all part of the same thing

GB: Yeah.

TB: What does he think? He thinks if Lebanon turns out fine, if we get a solution in Israel and Palestine, Iraq goes in the right way...

GB: Yeah, yeah, he is sweet

TB: He is honey. And that's what the whole thing is about. It's the same with Iraq

GB: I felt like telling Kofi to call, to get on the phone to Bashir Assad and make something happen

TB: Yeah

GB: [inaudible]

TB:

GB: We are not blaming the Lebanese government

TB: Is this...?

[Tony Blair is seen reaching towards the microphone and the sound is cut off at this point].

Thanks, whisper! Hmm, well, it's good to know that the US - UK relationship is as cosy as ever... *reading part of sweater*