M1A2 SEP

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28 Oct 2003, Balad, 2 KIA, one seriously injured. It looks like Abrams with CITV, so M1A2.

Here are more details about this attack on a M1A2 SEP from the 4th I.D. :

Quote[/b] ]Source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/031029-m1-abrams.htm

Agence France Presse October 29, 2003

M1 Abrams tank disabled by Iraq roadside explosion

In-Depth Coverage

By Jim Mannion

An M1 Abrams tank was disabled in Iraq by a roadside explosion for the first time in an incident that killed two crew members and wounded a third, US military spokesmen said Wednesday.

Little information was available on the extent of damage or the type of explosive device used in the attack late Tuesday about 40 kilometers (25 miles) northeast of the town of Balad.

But it was another sign of the growing effectiveness of the attacks against even the most heavily armored US forces.

"Two soldiers from the 4th Infantry Division were killed and one was wounded when their tank hit an unidentified explosive device," the US military said in a statement.

One of the dead was identified as Sergeant Michael Paul Barrera, 26, of Von Ormy, Texas. He was with the division's 3rd Battalion, 67th Armor Regiment.

Military spokesmen in Washington and Baghdad said it was the first time the army's main battle tank had been disabled by a roadside explosion since Iraqi opposition forces have begun targeting US convoys and patrols with so-called improvised explosive devices.

A US defense official, who asked not to be identified, said an improvised explosive device detonated as the tank rolled over it.

The force of the blast caused the behemoth to roll over an embankment, which is what killed and injured those inside, the official said.

The 4th Infantry Division has the latest model of the tank, the M1A2 SEP, which weighs 69.5 tonnes, is armed with a 120mm main cannon and is equipped for digitized communications.

"It is the most heavily equipped, and heavily armored main battle tank that the US has ever put out in the field, and supposedly can protect those inside fairly well," said Patrick Garrett, an analyst with GlobalSecurity.Org, a private research group.

"If it is true that a tank was damaged to this sort of extent resulting in fatalities by a simple roadside bomb, depending on whatever size it was, that does not bode well for the future of the occupation," he said.

"That really does prove there is no safe place for American soldiers," he said.

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Others pics

On another source I read that it happened in November 2003, around Bagdad. The turret had been blown off and the four crew died. Another incident ?

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Others huge pics of Abrams in Iraq

[Pappy Boyington 0]

WARNING: PAGES 52 AND UP HAVE EXTREMELY GRAPHIC PICTURES. seriously. im not talkin man with bloody pantleg.. im talkin suicide bomber vs M2A2 (and M2A2 wins unharmed) type shit. so be warned if you visit it.

It shouldn't be allowed to post such disguising pics. It's horrible.

from pages 1 to 51 are some nice pics. but 52 and up are graphic. and it was this reason i put the warning in there.

note: i didnt make this site or gather those pics. someone else posted that site in another forum and the abrams pics i thought would be helpful here

[Cpt. FrostBite 0]

WARNING: PAGES 52 AND UP HAVE EXTREMELY GRAPHIC PICTURES. seriously. im not talkin man with bloody pantleg.. im talkin suicide bomber vs M2A2 (and M2A2 wins unharmed) type shit. so be warned if you visit it.

It shouldn't be allowed to post such disguising pics. It's horrible.

from pages 1 to 51 are some nice pics. but 52 and up are graphic. and it was this reason i put the warning in there.

note: i didnt make this site or gather those pics. someone else posted that site in another forum and the abrams pics i thought would be helpful here

The site has very nice pictures and you did put a warning for the graphic pictures. When you click the link you won't load the page with the graphic pictures (no direct link). So I guess it's ok. I think it's on the edge.

@King homer; note that he didn't post graphic pictures here and no direct link. But if you feel it's really wrong than contact a mod. Perhaps that should be done anyway, pappy. It's the only way to be sure, since the forum rules don't completely cover this case.

Personally I've seen too many pictures like this and it's just doesn't do anything to me anymore. I just see flesh. Sad really that I don't feel a thing anymore when looking at dead bodies. I hope I never have to look at one in RL, though.

On a much brighter topic;

But how is the addon comming along? Does INQ had time for the textures already or is he still bussy (NOT trying to push anyone here; take your time)?

THis addon rocks and with the anounced fixes/changes it's gonna rock even more.

[-RuN- 0]

Edit:It shouldn't be allowed to post such disguising pics. It's horrible.

@King Homer

Sorry, but I feel that these pictures have to be shown, otherwise war looks like just a fun trip with cool guns.

This is the reality, not the politically correctness..

[FerretFangs 0]

Nevermind.

[Keller_777 0]

- M60A1 (can take out anything smaller than T-55AM2)

- GAP

- M1A2 SEP - takes out anything that moves over land in OFP, can survive a fight with 4 T-64BV. IMHO, one tank is missing - weaker than Abrams, but stronger than M60...

[Jezz 0]

i guess you mean the m60a3 or the orignal m1 with the old 105mm gun instead of the rhinemetal 120mm?

[Bobcatt666 0]

Well really runing this pig over the drivers course map I'm happy with it other than the units engine sounds is way to quiet. It is after all a jet turbine engine its as noise as a harrier hovering around.

The engine is nosiey enough to drown out all other sounds of the tanks almost not evenr hear track clatter unless running on pavement. Should make a lot more racket than what the current addons creats more claater listen to CBT's M2.

[the_shadow 0]

actually ive hard from ppl that where around when sweden tested the M1A1 (late 80´s or early 90´s) that said it was almost dangerously quiet when driving around in the garage area of the base they tested it at....

the engine was simply too quiet for ppl to hear until it was resonably close..

however ive never heard it IRL myself...

oh, we didnt buy it becouse it drinks too much fuel and hade even score on all test with the Leo 2A4 (wich we modified to Leo 2S (about the same as Leo 2A5DK) that is similar to M1A2)

so i think the engine sound is fine ;)

[Jezz 0]

ive read in books about them being quite also but then i saw them on the tv driving about and it was loud maybe its only quite when brand new and ticking over?

[SM_Azazel 0]

watching the military channel you can hear the m1a2 up close on soem of the shows.

it isn't very loud at like 20 meters but once you are with in like 10 or so it get really loud.

it is an turbine engine but jet engines are loud due to the force of the exhaust. an M1A2 sounds more liek the intake of an jet engines that but lower.. they probly need to turn it up just an bit is all.

[Bobcatt666 0]

Put it this way, I was a Tracked vehicle mechanic in the Army for 4 years then became a Tank commander, and trained the Marines on the M1 when they started getting them in 1990. The engine sound is not loud enough, I got videos of trying to get a few unstuck at Ft Knox KY on the tank driving course. If yo really need to hear what one sounds like up close. One stuck in the mud idling is loder that the addon running full out across rough contry.

The engine intinaly was built for a chopper, there is nothing for quieting the engine sound down, the engine vents directly out of the back of the tank. It not ear splitting loud RL, but you really don't wanna spend time around them without hearing protection.

The T80 is now louder than the M1 in game, which the T80 is a lot quiter than the M1..

[FerretFangs 0]

It has a lot to do with the frequency of sounds the M1 gas turbine makes. Bobcatt, it would be VERY loud to you if you are in or around an Abrams. But, due to it's high frequency sound, it's actually fairly quiet at a distance. I'm basing this on information provided by US snipers that were trying to find out how vulnerable they are to MBT thermal imagers. While stalking, they'd listen for vehicles, and with most, would have time to jump into a crevice, or behind a slope to mask their LOS signature. But they often said that the Abrams was too quiet to reliably detect at more than a hundred meters, and they were often caught by it during exercises. This was particularly true when the tank was idle, and the team was aproaching from around a bend, or, on the other side of a slope.

Alternatively, I've personally heard M60E3's rolling from more than a mile away.

High frequency sound dissapates quickly under nominal atmospheric conditions. Lower frequency sounds, like those made by diesel engines, travel quite a bit further.

[Bobcatt666 0]

Eh, I deal with theses things RL, engine sounds is not as loud on the real thing, its still a jet powered tanks, only so much noise you can suppress. How much louder it is dpepends on your location, out in a desert vs in a wooded area, and if they are creaping around or running balls to the wall cross contry. From my dealing with this tanks in the field on in and around them, my opion is the engine sound needs to be made a little louder.

[Pappy Boyington 0]

ok guys.... do we REALLY need 2 pages of arguing about the M1A1's engine sound not being loud enough? seriously people wtf. its a freakin game... it doesnt hurt to have a lil bit of ballence between fun and realisum.

i personaly like to hear the rest of the shit around me.

now according to our local super soldier bobcatt666 here (who claims to work with AH64's M1A2's and any other US military vehicle on a "daily basis) says the M1A2 is so loud you cant hear anything else besides the engine. nothing. no guns no turret. no screaming. nothing.

documentry obsessors say that the M1A2 say shes just right.. perfect in game.

and sane people that play OFP becuz OFP is a game say that the tank's engine is perfect the way it is..

now can we PLEASE move onto arguments much more worth the webspace?

[king homer 1]

Ty Pappy

We'll change the track and engine sound to a proper turbine sound, remaining with the same volume. My last word.

Also you need to remember, they wear ear protection in the tanks, but the play in OFP doesn't, so if the engine sound is too loud they can't even hear their crew and comrades talking with them.

[Bobcatt666 0]

Well you put so much work into this addon, I'm not saying make it very loud, just alittle louder, I have video of them when we go through drivers training on these beasts at Ft Knox. All the M1A2 SEP has is a updated eletronics suite, still the same engine gear box and transmission.

A lot of other things I can moan about that addon isn't doing but its a game limitation, You can also set up the sounds loudeness insides and outside and in the distance in the CCP, to reflect how it should be, so in the hull can sound different, near it outside sounds different, and the sound outside from a distance can be set so you can sneak around.

I could also moan that the tank does not accelerate as quickly as an Abrams in real life, the engine literly has enough raw touque that if you gun it it will sit and spin the treads, the breaking systems is evil, you can literly stop on a dime, and lauch the TC and loader out of their stations if you didn't like them. stomping the breasts making the tank rock up on the nose and catipult the TC and loader. Can't really make that happen in game. Sounds he can do. Most of the surviablity systems of the M1 cannot be done correctly as well.

1 The ammo storage system.

2 fire suppression system, the engine has a bad habit of catching fire, the vehicle uses a hylon fire supression system, for in the hull and powerpack compartment.

3 M1s love to toss tracks, which is nice that the game don't do that, the AI's crappy driving would toss the tracks left and right all day. You learn after having to spend about 8 hours repairing the track to not turn while doing other manumvers, cause they will walk off the rear drive sprocket even with the big cage on it..

4 Torssion bar failure, the roadwheels like to cause problems, cause unlke the old tanks withc used greese to lubrication moving part, the M1 uses oilfilled holding caps on the hubs, which are plastic or glass, and often get shattered running around. the hub then turns red hot and you either have a fire from the oil, or the roadwheel seizes on the hub.

5 One of my oother pet peaves is the added items on the turret should be configed to be useful rather than eye candy. At least the fuel cans. Most forget that running around in combat with all that stuff on the turrent may cause problems, the Cherry (hydrolic fluid) juice cans, can erupt into a huge flame if hit by small arms fire cause it highly flamable. Fuel cans, are also dangerous even if it is diesel, the M1s exhaust is 3,000 degrees, should be scripted to burn anyone standing behind it and have the heli exahust shimmer effect, we cook and heat up water for bathing by just holding or sitting stuff behind the tank. Nice about mech units always gotta a hot meal even if you have MREs. Funny seeing dumb people tailgate M1s driving around on the streets on the post, and the exhaust heat peals the all the paint off the front of the car and melts the windshield.

I'm meary inputing my experiance with the Abrams from having suffered working on them for so long in the military. Most people don't know the quirks of this combat system because, its still classified.. And mostly only see these things in Army Armored Propaganda Videos with heavy metal soundtracks. Or hollywood movies, in most cases its and M60 or british tank run through the welding shop to make it look like an Abrams. Any body that spent timein the Army or Marines with these systems, could usually operate, repair this crap in their sleep, from the years of training imposed on any combat system. Resident super soldier I'll take as a compliment at least I'm doing something postive..

As far as game vs realisim, these guys made a good tank, why not push for it being as correct as possable with the games limitations. Don't want realisim, there is a perfectly good M1 in the game came with made by BIS. This one is more realistic why not try to make it better?

Nice is being a addon maker and dealing with this stuff RL gives me a bit of a edge cause I can see both sides of the coin.

Yeah its a game, but enough real troops also use play this game. Still far better than most of the current stuff being peddeled out on the market. BHD sessions is getting really old, makes the Army Blackhawk crews look bad as if they can't take off without coming down in a spinning crash. At least OFP isn't that cheezy... =P

[SM_Azazel 0]

why would you bother havign "fuel" cans on an m1 it burns like 10 liters of fuel per mile an 10 liter can would not get you very far. from my understanding is that most "fuel" cans on tanks are actually just water cans. for drinking water and stuff.

usually in combat if the tank runs out of fuel you would have had the supply train near you. and if you have an hydo leak you would abond the tank securing it or destorying it letting the other supply units moving up on yoru flank to repair it./ so most likely those cans are jsut drinkign water or coolant water, or bathing water well just water..

[Bobcatt666 0]

One if all the vheicles have cans its enough to fule one for a bit, its one mile to the gallon of fuel still the smallest can is 5 gallons. Usualy we have 4 to five cans on the vehicle, the hydrolic fluid is common ly in a 5 to 10 gallon drum. Often used to keep levels topped off, you foret everything the tank stops, its serviced often by the crew. only time matainance really touches the tank is when its back at the motorpool, or something too high on the level of repair for the crew to fix.

level -10 maintaince is crew level repair, often track, suspenssion, and innerhull, lubrication, they even have to prep their own powerpack for removal, by maintaince units. Who usualy bring in an M88 nand lift out the old pack and drop in the new one and let the crews hook it up while suspervising.

Level -20 is company level maintaince, commonly the guys who come out in the field and make repairs or recover the equipment.

Level -30 this is higher level, often between using btn or brigage level faacilitys or DX level repairs Usually total overhaul of the unit to new condition.

Oil, grease, and hydrolic fluid is commly carried on almost all combat units as well as the personal gear. You must maintain your equipment at all times. If your not using it your fixing it. Tracked vehicles are annoying for every two or three hours operation time is one hour of mtainance, Big reason hmmwvs are pushed more in places like Iraq and Afganistan. Not to mention we have to repair anyy damages created to the streets and infrstructre caused by armored operations.

Tanks are heavy they often will damage buried plumbing, and gaslines, which can be dealy to armored crews. Seen lots of tanks destroyed after driving over a buried gasline that broke and sent heated gas up through the bottom of the tank burning the crew alive instantly.

[SM_Azazel 0]

foudn soem news aboot the replacement of the old engine in the m1a2

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Last news on the new engine: The US Army has selected Honeywell International Engines and Systems and General Electric to develop a new LV100-5 gas turbine engine for the M1A2. The new engine is lighter and smaller with rapid acceleration, quieter running and no visible exhaust.

Source

also the army is lookign intot he israeli LAHAT missiles.

it also talks aboot the replacement of the main gun to the german 120mm. along with an few other things..

but that is just stupid to keep all that on the tank when you have an supply truck right behide you that is carrying all that stuff in it. i also never said maintance crew i said supply. big difference. supply trucks just have the supplies for the crew to use. and in most blitzkrieg battles the US loves to fight if you lose oil pressure in your tank or blow and track you leave the tank behide and keep moving forward. you don't stop and repair it. you wait till after the battle is over or till the trail end can catch up. you load the crew up in an m113 destory the tank and move on. hell in iraq they had tanks in combat that where only semi damaged but destoried them so they could keep moving forward.

[Bobcatt666 0]

Engine replacement funding was halted thanks to the two wars going on, so were still using stores from the coldwar in our units. People forget the army is going to use up all the old stuff before using the new hardwear. not noticed most of the M1s in use in Iraq are M1A1, and HA versions, the SEPs arre very slow trickling in as the old units are rotated in for DX level upgrades. Most units will be lucky if they even get the other more important updated like replacing the PASGT body armor and the armor supliments to the HMMWVs. The units that have M1A2 SEPs are the only untis who had their M1A1s upgraded before combat operations were started in the two fronts. Everything else is in holding mode. Most of the tanks used in Iraq were M1A1s and early model A2s that were left in Saudi and Kuwait in storage after the first Gulfwar.

combat conditions dictate course of action on units and their recovery. Supply is usally in the HHC company, and tasked for serving all four companys under the HHC. On a company leave the supply unit is often onw NCO and a couple of enlisted guys. Only time you see them is when you need bullets beans and beer. They are usualy following the command element, in trucks ilsuited for mainline combat, and postioned in secured locations on standy for when they are needed. Notbright pulling those guys on the front line seeing a sniper can cripple a btn by getting the Supply Sargent and bring any advance by this element to a screeching stop. That why we call them 'REMFRS'

(rear echolon mutherf**kers) At least maintance will come to the front line now and actualy do do infantry operations they are more explendable than supplies personal.

Meaning my ass is on a tank the craps out the powerpack or looses a track, the commander says if we die in place or unass the vehicle.

So recap,

1 not every Abrams in the Army is a M1A2 SEP most are lucky enough to have gotten up to M1A1 HA.

2 The Army usualy sends the vehicles back for DX overhaul and upgraded to SEP versions. currently the lack of time and budget is not allowing this to be carried out cause these crews can't be without their equipment for 6 months why you think a bunch of armored units got pulled out of their Abrams and stuffed into M1114 Humvees.

3 I've listend to the M1A2 SEP, its still louder than the addon we are talking about. And sending King Homer the propor sounds for his addon once we link up again.

Now return this thread to topic please?

[Keller_777 0]

i guess you mean the m60a3 or the orignal m1 with the old 105mm gun instead of the rhinemetal 120mm?

Abrams M1 or M60A3+ERA

[SPQR 0]

Abrams M1 or M60A3+ERA

They were no US Army's M60A3 equiped with ERA in operation, and only late during the first Gulf War in 1991-1992 ERA was used by USMC's M60A1 (RISE/PASSIVE), before they receive Abrams MBT.

The US Army was to have fielded an ERA package for its M60A3, but although production did start and quantities were produced, it was decided not to field the system. It was during Operation Desert Storm that the USMC fitted their M60A1 with the ERA package. The ERA package is composed of 91 armor tiles (49 M1 tiles and 42 M2 tiles).

Some of the RISE/PASSIVE Enhancement are :

- Full stabilization in both traverse and elevation of the main armament

- AVDS-1790-2C RISE (Reliability Improved Selected Equipment) engine fitted

The USMC's M60A1 had also received British-style six-barrelled smoke dischargers fitted to either side of the turret.

[gunterlund 0]

Any more news on multiplayer compatibility. I get errors on our server with this addon. I have the CBT Crew and Jam.

[king homer 1]

You may tell us what errors you get? ^^