USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

[walker 0]

Hi all

***!!!BREAKING NEWS!!!***

White House, Jeb Bush and Charlie Crist: Foley emails from 2003 sought

In what some see as an attempt to scapegoat others but which may be a "Night of the Long Knives" powerplay that would rip the NeoConmen from power; Hastert has called for all those in the US Republican party who new about Mark Foley's predatory emails to be thrown out of the US Republican Party.

As result of the investigation emails dating back to 2003 to both the White House, Jeb Bush, and State Attorney General Charlie Crist who is running for office as Govenor are being sought.

Quote[/b] ]Hastert: Those Who Hid Foley Scandal Must Go

Posted: 10/10/2006 2:15:15 PM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Republican head of the U.S. House of Representatives said on Tuesday anyone who covered up a growing Internet sex scandal on Capitol Hill should step down.

House Speaker Dennis Hastert made the comment as Rep. Jim Kolbe of Arizona, Congress' only openly gay Republican, confirmed he was told six years ago of inappropriate Internet messages from former Republican Rep. Mark Foley to a young male former House aide.

Kolbe said he passed the information on to the House office that supervises the page program, in which high school students spend time in Washington as junior congressional assistants.

"This was done promptly," Kolbe said in a statement. "I did not have a personal conversation with Mr. Foley about the matter. I assume e-mail contacts ceased since the former page never raised the issue again with my office."

Republican House leaders have said they only recently became aware of the illicit side of the case when Foley resigned from his Florida district seat last late month.

The scandal involving Foley's lewd computer messages is undermining Republican efforts to retain control of Congress in the November 7 elections...

http://www.cbs47.tv/news....D2F58AA

Follow link for the full story

Quote[/b] ]As the issue heated up Florida politics, the state's Democratic Party asked the state attorney general for copies of all of his office's records, e-mails and phone logs pertaining to Foley and Internet communications, dating back to 2003.

The public records request sought copies of such communications with the White House, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, the National Republican Campaign Committee and various Republicans in Congress.

The Democrats asked state Attorney General Charlie Crist, a Republican gubernatorial candidate with a 10-point lead over his Democratic challenger, to produce all the records within one week or provide a written explanation why he did not.

Ibid

Both Jeb Bush and Charlie Crist are accused of hiding their knowledge of Mark Foley's predatory emails for at least a year after they were informed by the FBI that Foley was under investigation.

Further Charlie Crist is accused hypocracy after two men, one leading Republican party activist came out and said they slept Charlie Crist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ4DyPTEJ6A&eurl=

Of course there is then the question of who in the White House new about the emails and there is still to be resolved story about Jeff Gannon

Regards Walker

[Jinef 2]

Senator kerry said to some students:

Quote[/b] ]Work hard or you'll end up stuck in Iraq

(paraphrased)

The US media is making a big hooh and kerry like any normal spineless politician backed out of his statement.

The problem is, he's right. The stupid people as a whole do join the military, it's one of the only places that will have them. They are also stuck in Iraq, as they are not allowed to leave. I don't think a military would be very effective if it's soldiers chose whether or not they wanted to deploy.

Why is everyone making such a bloody fuss over it? How is it insulting to the US military? Why can't kerry just stand by what he said and stop being a slimy coward?

[raedor 8]

Why is everyone making such a bloody fuss over it? How is it insulting to the US military? Why can't kerry just stand by what he said and stop being a slimy coward?

As people don't like to be called stupid; and people definitely won't choose you/your party if you called them stupid

[Sophion-Black 0]

The problem is, he's right. The stupid people as a whole do join the military, it's one of the only places that will have them.

BULLSHIT!!! How do you explain West Point? How do you explain Annapolis? The national guard getting 100% tuition assistiance and other benifites to finnish college? What about the officers who join they have to have a college degree (not including those who have gone through OCS).

You have one hell of a set of balls to discount the US military! do you realize they are being killed just so you can have free speech! By GOD! you really need to understrand how pissed the US military is!

[EiZei 0]

The problem is, he's right. The stupid people as a whole do join the military, it's one of the only places that will have them.

BULLSHIT!!! How do you explain West Point? How do you explain Annapolis? The national guard getting 100% tuition assistiance and other benifites to finnish college? What about the officers who join they have to have a college degree (not including those who have gone through OCS).

You have one hell of a set of balls to discount the US military! do you realize they are being killed just so you can have free speech! By GOD! you really need to understrand how pissed the US military is!

Note that he said THE military not "the US military" and being that he is not an american..

Quote[/b] ]

The national guard getting 100% tuition assistiance and other benifites to finnish college? What about the officers who join they have to have a college degree (not including those who have gone through OCS).

Job security?

(hey, it's a goverment job afterall)

[Garcia 0]

The problem is, he's right. The stupid people as a whole do join the military, it's one of the only places that will have them.

BULLSHIT!!! How do you explain West Point? How do you explain Annapolis? The national guard getting 100% tuition assistiance and other benifites to finnish college? What about the officers who join they have to have a college degree (not including those who have gone through OCS).

You have one hell of a set of balls to discount the US military! do you realize they are being killed just so you can have free speech! By GOD! you really need to understrand how pissed the US military is!

As Jinef, as far as I know, is from UK, the people in the US army isn't dying so he can have free speech. People in the UK army is. The US army isn't equal to the worlds army. And I fail to see how the Iraq war or the Afghanistan war helps Jinef have free speech. Before them both he had free speech. After them, the terror threat towards UK possible got greater, but he still have free speech. I doubt neither Iraq nor Taliban could rob every UK citizens of the freedom of speech.

And Jinef never said "every person in the US army is stupid". He said, stupid people join the army. That is not, contrary to what you belive, equal to "smart people can not join the army".

You've got a serious problem accepting that USA isn't perfect. You've got way to high thoughts about USA. You seem to think that US values are good values and that we all owe USA our gratitude.

[Sophion-Black 0]

Listen, to call anyone stupid that is dying for you country is very arrogant. you fail to realize that ALL nations army's are a MAJOR reason why they are on the map today.

when you call those men and women in uniform "stupid" you are betraying every one of them. you are stating that they are stupid because they choose to carry on the traditions of their country. To defend their countries boarders, and are the ONLY protection from you and those who wish to harm you.

When you say Kerry was right, you not only discounted your military but included mine as well. Take a look back in history, How about we take the RAF out of the equation for WWII. If you were here today under the Nazi banner I would laugh my ass off until I was blue in the face. For a comment like that I would just let you suffer. And truth be told if it got to the Nazis, you would suffer even more. You should seriously stop and think of what you said.

By leaving a generalization you broaden the scope of that insult to ALL of the military. You leave it up to them to decide if you are talking about them or someone else. and they immediately think it is them.

@Garcia:

The men in Iraq are the same caliber as those who have fought in all US wars. They are trained US soldiers fighting in a foreign country. Looking at the big picture, you would see the US is fighting muslim extremists. They believe women should not have any rights. They believe education is the root of evil as it contradicts the Qu'ran. They threaten freedom, they threaten the US directly, and also threaten our allies. WE WILL NOT LIVE PEACEFULLY TOGETHER!

To say the US army isn't equal to the worlds army is borderline. Constantly you see the US get pulled into world conflicts. It is a major component in NATO. NATO is constantly referred to as "The UN's Teeth" (their army). Yes you can say it isn't the worlds army, but it sure is close to it!

[EiZei 0]

A pretty interesting article on negative campaigning..

http://www.factcheck.org/article460.html

I know those are pretty common in the US, but 80-90%.. holy fuck.

[oneoff 0]

at least one part of the american contigency in iraq has accomplished what it set out to do.

Job done or is it ?

[Garcia 0]

Listen, to call anyone stupid that is dying for you country is very arrogant. you fail to realize that ALL nations army's are a MAJOR reason why they are on the map today.

I agree that calling people stupid isn't especially nice, but the fact is that in many countries, people who's not good at school end up in the army. They don't have what it take to study, and then the army is often the best alternative. Under this category you got people that would fit the description "stupid", and other people who don't. Of course the army isn't made up of mostly stupid people. Most armies are made up of reasonable people. The point is, if you are indeed stupid, you often end up in the army, especially in USA (at least that is my impression). This doesn't mean all in i.e the US army is stupid, it means some are. And I do belive that certain actions by US soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan show that the US army got it's share of stupid people, as most armies do.

Quote[/b] ]you are stating that they are stupid because they choose to carry on the traditions of their country.

It's more like saying that they had to choose between sitting in the shop down the street or join the army. Many people, me included, would rather choose the army than the shop.

Quote[/b] ]When you say Kerry was right, you not only discounted your military but included mine as well. Take a look back in history, How about we take the RAF out of the equation for WWII. If you were here today under the Nazi banner I would laugh my ass off until I was blue in the face. For a comment like that I would just let you suffer. And truth be told if it got to the Nazis, you would suffer even more. You should seriously stop and think of what you said.

The main difference between UK during WWII and USA today is that during WWII the war was IN UK, therefor most men fit to fight, both smart and stupid, was fighting, while there is no war in USA today. The war is on the other side of the world.

And again. Saying that you'll end up in the army if your stupid isn't equal to saying that everyone in the army is stupid. To my knowledge neither Kerry nor Jinef ever said that the army mainly consist of stupid people.

Quote[/b] ]The men in Iraq are the same caliber as those who have fought in all US wars. They are trained US soldiers fighting in a foreign country. Looking at the big picture, you would see the US is fighting muslim extremists. They believe women should not have any rights. They believe education is the root of evil as it contradicts the Qu'ran. They threaten freedom, they threaten the US directly, and also threaten our allies. WE WILL NOT LIVE PEACEFULLY TOGETHER!

But this still doesn't mean that Jinef would be robbed of his freedom of speech if US soldiers weren't dying in Iraq.

Quote[/b] ]To say the US army isn't equal to the worlds army is borderline. Constantly you see the US get pulled into world conflicts. It is a major component in NATO. NATO is constantly referred to as "The UN's Teeth" (their army). Yes you can say it isn't the worlds army, but it sure is close to it!

The US army is a self-proclaimed worlds army. That is because the US goverment seem to think that US interests is the worlds interest. They seem to think that what the US goverment sees as best is the best for the rest of the world. Most conflicts today that the US is in have been started by USA, and when they haven't (i.e if NATO decides to step in to a conflict) USA doesn't have that big part as else. The US army is only close to being a worlds army because they're putting themself in that position. They're not fighting for the worlds interests, they are fighting for what the US goverment means should be in the worlds interest.

[Jinef 2]

*chuckles*

Those last few posts were comedy gold.

Also, I don't feel much need to respond to Sophion-Black's comments as you guys all got there before me.

Edit: But I am going to anyway, for the comedy factor.

If anything I feel the US military is over-educated, with many of the lower ranks having been to university and graduating. I am often amused when I see a Corporal or a Private in the US Infantry chatting about the ideals and reasoning behind his mission etc.

Honestly, you don't need to be educated to be an effective infantryman, and too much thinking is actually a detriment to the military structure. If the people in the lower ranks are just as or even more thoughtful than the people in the mid to higher ranks then you are going to have discipline problems.

Another interesting factor that Sophion-Black mentioned is the requirement for the US military's officers to be graduates. Ironically, this more effectively says that non-grads are stupid more than Kerry's statement in my opinion. Seriously though, you rarely need a degree to be an officer in most roles in a military. All the degree does is waste 4 years of time a potential officer could be serving.

Take the British Army for a model, a lot of the infantry cannot read or write, but they are bloody good at being infantry. The officers can become officers in a variety of ways, either by rising through the ranks (Compulsory method in some Arms, Like Royal Marines) or by going through the Academy, either with a degree or without.

So in summary, Kerry basically just slipped out with the truth, which is bad for a politician. The US military is over educated in some areas and the British military has an infantry base who can hardly read or write.

[Sophion-Black 0]

You're missing the point, calling one person stupid in a group of people would get the whole group pissed off. And that is what this is all about. they all are pissed off. Another point, is implied language:

Ex: If I said "France is a place where gays go", do you think France will be a little ticked off? However, I am not saying everyone in France is gay, it is implied. That is where you get people (in this case the French) in an uproar because "I have called them gay." Which in reality I did not.

Are you getting the point yet?

[Nemesis6 0]

Come to think of it - It's pretty strange that gays are welcome in France, but Jews aren't. So I wonder: What if you're Jewish, and a homosexual. Do those things cancel each other out are you you still counted as someone who should stay in "that shitty little country, Israel"?

[EiZei 0]

Come to think of it - It's pretty strange that gays are welcome in France, but Jews aren't. So I wonder: What if you're Jewish, and a homosexual. Do those things cancel each other out are you you still counted as someone who should stay in "that shitty little country, Israel"?

Didnt know israelis were such delicate flowers.

[CsonkaPityu 0]

Quote[/b] ]Come to think of it - It's pretty strange that gays are welcome in France, but Jews aren't.

He isn't even being racist, he's being anti-israeli, thinking a country is a shithole is anyman's right.

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However, I am not saying everyone in France is gay, it is implied. That is where you get people (in this case the French) in an uproar because "I have called them gay." Which in reality I did not.

I am a Gai Français (i.e. translation : "Happy Frenchman")  

We are all cheese 'n wine loving, beret wearing Gai froggies  

[Sennacherib 0]

Come to think of it - It's pretty strange that gays are welcome in France, but Jews aren't. So I wonder: What if you're Jewish, and a homosexual. Do those things cancel each other out are you you still counted as someone who should stay in "that shitty little country, Israel"?

maybe France, but not the french people. a state is not a people. because in a people, you have individualities. don't put all the people in the same bag (it's a french expression ) most of the people doesn't care, if someone is gay, black, jew, muslim, green, blue with little flowers. the life is already difficult, they don't need other problems.

[walker 0]

Hi all

NeoConMen believe in "never give a sucker an even break"

Unless it seems; you are a gay rent boy and your the NeoConMen's gay methamphetamine addict who is there to run the NeoConMen owned church.

Then it seems to be the going rate is 200 NeoConMen dollars  by cash in envelopes to suck the gay rent boy off and snort meth.

Quote[/b] ]Accused pastor admits he bought meth

But Haggard claims he never used drug that he bought from gay escort

NBC News and news services

Updated: 4:01 p.m. ET Nov. 3, 2006

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - The Rev. Ted Haggard admitted Friday he bought methamphetamine and received a massage from a gay prostitute who claims he was paid for drug-fueled trysts by the former head of the National Association of Evangelicals.

Mike Jones, the 49-year-old Denver man who raised the allegations this week, quickly refuted Haggard’s denial.

Shortly after Haggard told reporters outside his home, "I bought it for myself but never used it. I was tempted, but I never used it,†Jones told MSNBC-TV’s Rita Cosby that Haggard snorted meth in front of him about once a month for two years.

Haggard said he received a massage from Jones after being referred to him by a Denver hotel, but Jones told MSNBC, “He always came to my place.â€

Haggard, 50, said he never had sex with Jones. On Friday, as he was leaving his home with his wife and three of his five children, he said he bought the meth because he was curious.

Haggard stepped down as president of the 30 million-member association Thursday and also gave up leadership of his 14,000-member New Life Church pending the investigation into allegations he had sex with Jones over the past three years...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263/

Follow link for the full article

The NeoConMen consider evangelicals as being: "boorish," "ridiculous,"  "goofy," "nuts,"  according to David Kuo, former assistant to President Bush and Deputy Director of Bush's Faith-Based and Community Initiatives

http://www.amazon.com/Temptin....3287126

David Kuo in his just released book Tempting Faith Inside-Political Seduction tells the inside story of the NeoConMen's entry-est policy on gaining control of the evangelical christian churches. Ted Haggard was a key player in the NeoConMen's take over of the the evangelical church.

The key NeoConMen concept here is the Straussian text, which is a piece of writing that is deliberately written so that the average reader will understand it as saying one ("exoteric") thing but the special few for whom it is intended will grasp its real ("esoteric") meaning. In other words A Con.

The Modus Operandi (MO) is the same as the Bolshevik NeoConMen used to take over control of the US Republican party. A Straussian Text is used to con the evangelical Christian's into giving control of their church to the NeoConMen.

This was an exoteric fear strategy that talked up a rise in abortion and the dangers of gay marriage combined with inducements in the form of a carrot on a stick is waved in front of the evangelical donkeys. In this case the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives set up to recieve 8 billion dollars but the esoteric text was small amout of money that was actualy given which was to those the NeoConMen wanted to take over the evangelicals and run them as a political group. People like The Rev. Ted Haggard.

In this case the con revolves around shouting big about a christian policy while never delivering it and saying the sky will fall if you don't vote for us NeoConMen!

In reality for all its high falluting exoteric and esoteric crap it is a variation on the famous:Pig-in-a-poke con.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick

How the NeoConMen don't give the christian evangelicals an even break

Pigs in pokes

Lots of supposed christian policies got talked about by the NeoConMen but they never get delivered do they?

As David Kuo points out NeoConMen are "cynically hijacking the faith-based initiatives idea for electoral gain," ignoring issues such as poverty, and limiting faith-based grants to organizations that are "politically friendly to the administration."

8 billion dollars was promised but only about 21 million was ever paid out. And all the recipients of the 21 million made a big fuss about how good Bush was to the christian evangelicals and used the cash for their bid for control of their particular church group, when they were not paying for drugs and rent boys.

Interestingly the NeoConMen removed this budget from the oversight by congress; got to keep anyone from blowing the con.

My guess: they also use it to control congressmen by only passing the pork back to churches where congressmen tow the NeoConMen's Bolshevik line but people can judge themselves.

You should always be wary of someone wanting to make you afraid.

They want your adrenaline up so you wont think. Adrenaline turns off thought so you have more ability to react. Which is good in an emergency but bad in election where you want to carefully weigh up the facts.

Any one notice the NeoConMen's fear based adds Osama, mixed with images of democrats absurd or what these are your neighbours not some terrorist, but the NeoConmen want you to fear your democrat neighbours. Why?

Then there is all that vote for us or the democrats will be in power. Would that really be so bad? After all Clinton pulled the US out of an economic black hole and left the economy in surplus. Under George Bush junior and the NeoConMen your great grand children will still be paying off your tax debt to China.

Christian evangelicals were promised $8 billion per year they came up $7,969,000,000 short on the promise. That is right they were sold a pig in a poke.

Will the NeoConMen ever give an evangelical sucker an even break?

Think before you vote and most importantly ask yourself some questions. The questions every person considering voting Republican needs to ask themselves are:

Were the reasons for going into Iraq a lie?

Is government bigger under the NeoConMen than under Clinton?

Economically who benefited from the tax breaks?

Is your budget tighter than it used to be?

Is the USA up to its eyeballs in debt to China?

Which media and party officials hid Mark Foley's activities?

Have the prices of oil doubled under the NeoConMen?

Have the NeoConMen delivered on their Christian promises?

Have you been conned?

Will you be conned again?

The NeoConMen seem to have per-chant for gay sex, young boys, and drugs it goes back at least as far the Franklin scandal. Foley, Charlie Crist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ4DyPTEJ6A&eurl=, and Ted Haggard. Of course there is still to be resolved story about Jeff Gannon that little skeleton in the closet will rattle down the ages.

Kind Regards Walker

[Nemesis6 0]

Quote[/b] ]Come to think of it - It's pretty strange that gays are welcome in France, but Jews aren't.

He isn't even being racist, he's being anti-israeli, thinking a country is a shithole is anyman's right.

Heh. Just like you.

[denoir 0]

Something for walker about his NeoConMen

Richard Perle, aka "Prince of Darkness", the number one neoconservative has denounced the Iraq war:

Neoconservatives decry execution of Iraq war [CNN]

Quote[/b] ]

A leading conservative proponent of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq now says dysfunction within the Bush administration has turned U.S. policy there into a disaster.

Richard Perle, who chaired a committee of Pentagon policy advisers early in the Bush administration, said had he seen at the start of the war in 2003 where it would go, he probably would not have advocated an invasion to depose Saddam Hussein. Perle was an assistant secretary of defense under President Reagan.

"I probably would have said, 'Let's consider other strategies for dealing with the thing that concerns us most, which is Saddam supplying weapons of mass destruction to terrorists,'" he told Vanity Fair magazine in its upcoming January issue.

Asked about the article, White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said, "We appreciate the Monday-morning quarterbacking, but the president has a plan to succeed in Iraq, and we are going forward with it."

Other prominent conservatives criticized the administration's conduct of the war in the article, including Kenneth Adelman, who also served on the Defense Policy Board that informally advised President Bush. Adelman said he was "crushed" by the performance of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

Adelman also said that neoconservatism, "the idea of using our power for moral good in the world," has been discredited with the public. After Iraq, he told Vanity Fair, "it's not going to sell."

...

[EiZei 0]

It just got a hell lot colder in hell.

[Balschoiw 0]

Some well timed election help, or grass roots revolution on the way ?

Four military newspapers to call for Rumsfeld's removal

Quote[/b] ] Four newspapers serving the military community will call for the replacement of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in an editorial to be published Monday.

"We say that Rumsfeld must be replaced," Alex Neill, the managing editor of the Army Times, said Friday night in a telephone interview. "Given the state of affairs with Iraq and the military right now, we think it's a good time for new leadership there."

The editorial, which also will appear in the Navy Times, the Marine Corps Times and the Air Force Times, was written by senior managing editor Robert Hodierne, based on a decision of the publications' editorial board, Neill said.

The international papers, which circulate widely in Hampton Roads, are published by the Military Times Media Group, a division of the Gannett Co. Inc.

"The editorial says that Rumsfeld has lost faith with the military leadership, with Congress, with the public in general," Neill said.

The timing of the editorial, coming on the eve of mid term elections, was coincidental, Neill said. "The military - our readers - follow a chain of command," Neill said. "They are going to follow orders, so we don't get into trying to say who they should vote for, not vote for or any of that."

Rather, "President Bush came out and said that Donald Rumsfeld is in for the duration... so it's just a timely issue for us. And our position is that it is not the best course for the military" for Rumsfeld to remain the Pentagon chief.

President Bush said Wednesday he wants Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney to remain until the end of his presidency.

Neill said he is uncertain how troops will react.

"I think we'll hear from both sides," he said. "It will be interesting to find out if it swings significantly one way or the other."

Another interesting developement. We can´t grant access to attorney, as public would hear about our torture methods

U.S. fights detainee access to attorney

Quote[/b] ]WASHINGTON - A suspected terrorist who spent years in a secret

CIA prison should not be allowed to speak to a civilian attorney, the Bush administration argues, because he could reveal the agency's closely guarded interrogation techniques.

Human rights groups have questioned the CIA's methods for questioning suspects, especially following the passage of a bill last month that authorized the use of harsh — but undefined — interrogation tactics.

In recently filed court documents, the Justice Department said those methods, along with the locations of the CIA's network of prisons, are among the nation's most sensitive secrets. Prisoners who spent time in those prisons should not be allowed to disclose that information, even to a lawyer, the government said.

"Improper disclosure of other operational details, such as interrogation methods, could also enable terrorist organizations and operatives to adapt their training to counter such methods, thereby obstructing the CIA's ability to obtain vital intelligence that could disrupt future planned terrorist attacks," the Justice Department wrote.

The documents, which were first reported by The Washington Post, were filed in opposition to a request that terror suspect Majid Khan should be given access to an attorney. Khan, 26, immigrated from Pakistan and graduated high school in Maryland.

According to documents filed on his behalf by the Center for Constitutional Rights, Khan was arrested in Pakistan in 2003. During more than three years in CIA custody, Khan was subjected to interrogation techniques that defense attorneys suggest amounted to torture.

President Bush acknowledged the existence of the CIA system in September and transferred Khan and 13 other prisoners designated as "terrorist leaders" to the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Under a law passed last month, they are to be tried before special military commissions and may not have access to civilian courts.

The Center for Constitutional Rights is among several advocacy groups challenging that law. They say the Constitution guarantees prisoners a right to challenge their detention.

The Justice Department argues that civilian courts no longer have jurisdiction to intervene in the case. They say keeping details about the CIA program secret is essential because national security is at stake.

"Information obtained through the program has provided the United States with one of the most useful tools in combating terrorist threats to the national security," the government argued in court documents.

"It has shed light on probable targets and likely methods for attacks on the United States, has led to the disruption of terrorist plots against the United States and its allies, and has gathered information that has played a role in the capture and questioning of senior al-Qaida operatives," it said.

Gitanjali S. Gutierrez, an attorney with the Center for Constitutional Rights, responded in court documents Friday that there is no evidence Khan has classified information. Gutierrez accused the administration of using national secrecy concerns to "conceal illegal or embarrassing executive conduct."

U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton has not indicated when he will rule.

It´s getting even more absurd and dangerous.

[GoOB 0]

Constantly you see the US get pulled into world conflicts.

Yeah... Or creating them.

[earl 0]

I think there needs to be a distinction between NeoCons and TheoCons operating under the NeoCons banner (and Perle just pulled the rug out from under them)

Neocon v. Theocon by Jacob Heilbrunn. He wrote, "The neoconservatives believe that America is special because it was founded on an idea—a commitment to the rights of man embodied in the Declaration of Independence—not in ethnic or religious affiliations. The theocons, too, argue that America is rooted in an idea, but they believe that idea is Christianity."

It's about time for this administration to run out of steam anyway.

[Sophion-Black 0]

with the elections coming up I can't help but wonder:

1) What plans do the Democrats have for Iraq?

2) What plans do the Democrats have for North Korea?

3) What plans do the Democrats have for Iran?

4) What plans do the Democrats have for Illegal Immigration?

5) What plans do the Democrats have for American Security?

Can someone PLEASE tell me the answers for the above, because all I have been seeing is the Democrats bashing the Republicans. But they don't give their own plans! At least give some hint about it!

Besides, I'm starting to think they have none except:

1) Get out

2) Leave them alone

3) Leave them alone

4) Let them come

5) Recall all of our troops to concentrate on just the US itself