Enthusiasts Eye Assault Rifles as Ban Nears End

[DanAK47 1]

IIRC that is not based on a functioning device but rather a congressman's interpretation of what a "suitcase bomb" would look like.

What does this have to do with the AWB anyway?

[DanAK47 1]

I have done some googling and came up with several links related to the "suitcase nuke." Hopefully this will clear it up.

http://www.techcentralstation.com/040104C.html

Quote[/b] ]The closest the U.S. is known to have come to a "suitcase" or hand-carried weapon was a variation of the W-54 called, interestingly enough, the SADM (small atomic demolition munition). This device -- officially the Mk-54 -- would have required a mighty big suitcase. It was a fat cylinder, 15 inches (diameter) by 24 inches, not unlike one of those big plastic buckets you can buy bulk paint in at Home Depot, and it weighed 150 pounds.

Quote[/b] ]The infamous Soviet-made suitcase bombs that supposedly disappeared from inventory sometime after the break-up of the Soviet Union have been the subject of numerous investigations and much fevered speculation. It is known that the Soviets, like the United States, developed small nuclear munitions, small enough to be fired in artillery shells or to be hand-carried (by one or more soldiers) as a demolition device. If they designed and built one that could actually fit in a large brief case, one of them has not shown up anywhere, nor has an official photograph or blueprint of it.

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/News/Lebedbomb.html

Scroll down and you can see the picture you posted with caption:

Quote[/b] ]Mock-up of a hypothetical "suitcase" nuclear bomb, made by Congressional

staffer Peter Pry. It is basically a 105 mm artillery shell device packaged in a

large briefcase.

Possible? Sure. Real? Doubtable.

It seems that Lebed, the person who stirred up the first rumors of the Soviet suitcase bombs, was doing so for his own political agenda. He was fired.

[Gordy 0]

gun control

[bn880 5]

Just as an interesting piece of info., this is the type of stuff that keeps some people like me from working in the US. Among other things of course.

I can only imagine what's coming once the dealers stock up on these assault rifles.

[ralphwiggum 6]

Just as an interesting piece of info., this is the type of stuff that keeps some people like me from working in the US.  Among other things of course.  

why not come to California? California still has stronger laws to control even before AWB expored. you won't see any assualt weapons here!

in fact why don't i get you a nice place! come to LA so i don't have to fly to Canada to <s>hunt you down</s> meet you.

[Blake 0]

Quote[/b] ]As for the McDonalds massacre, maybe it wouldn't of happened if more citizens were armed and could shoot back at criminals.

I'd rather use the drive-in lane than sit around and eat burgers among housewives and teengagers armed to the teeth. Bear in mind that it's not just criminals suddenly going nuts, it's ordinary people. Only after carnage they're declared 'criminals'. You'd have to arm yourself since the guy next to you is armed, can you really trust that pale looking stranger nervously eating burger with a 9mm sticking out from his pants?

[blackdog~ 0]

Just as an interesting piece of info., this is the type of stuff that keeps some people like me from working in the US.  Among other things of course.  

why not come to California? California still has stronger laws to control even before AWB expored. you won't see any assualt weapons here!

in fact why don't i get you a nice place! come to LA so i don't have to fly to Canada to <s>hunt you down</s> meet you.

i have a demilled m60

[Hit_Sqd_Maximus 0]

in fact why don't i get you a nice place! come to LA so i don't have to fly to Canada to <s>hunt you down</s> meet you.

i have a demilled m60

What are you going to do, hit him over the head with it?

[ericz 0]

bn880

Quote[/b] ]Just as an interesting piece of info., this is the type of stuff that keeps some people like me from working in the US.  Among other things of course.    

I can only imagine what's coming once the dealers stock up on these assault rifles.

We don't want you to come work over here....unless of course you are going to work on OFP or VBS1 stuff

Don't worry yourself, the same thing that was happening with "assault" rifles before the ban...nothing at all.

Ralph Wiggum

Quote[/b] ]why not come to California? California still has stronger laws to control even before AWB expored. you won't see any assualt weapons here!  

Ahhhh,  next on my hit list, I mean to do list.....must speak to the Governator

[billybob2002 0]

http://www.ont.com/users/kolya/AR15/aw94.htm

Scroll down and take the challenge...

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]What does this have to do with the AWB anyway?

Well you brought it up....ask yourself.

To think that there are none of these devices is narrow minded as there are testifies of former russian leaders of russia´s nuclear program and there were / are initiatives from terrorists to get some of those devices. I don´t talk about nuclear shells, I do talk about working compact nuclear devices.

They do exist.

When you see the flash, it´s already too late

[DanAK47 1]

I brought it up but you seem emotionally attached to it.

Did you even bother to read any of those pages I linked to?

Blake, the person was not normal before this. I saw something about it on TV. He had serious temper issues that were known about. Warning signs..

He was actually going to go shoot up his workplace, but got lazy and went to the McDonalds instead.

Someone with a handgun would probably have it concealed and would not be "nervously looking around." Most people here are not so gunshy.

As if you have something to fear from a person anyway. Some of you act like a random guy would like to kill you, and as long as he doesn't have a gun, that's okay.

[Blake 0]

Quote[/b] ]Blake, the person was not normal before this. I saw something about it on TV. He had serious temper issues that were known about. Warning signs..

He was actually going to go shoot up his workplace, but got lazy and went to the McDonalds instead.

So what does that prove? Everybody has some 'temper issues' in some points in life. Yet he was considered sane enough to carry guns. Nobody not even professional shrinks can tell for certain if somebody may go ballistic or are they just going to take out his guns because 'you are now having tragic time in life, we'll take your guns now'.

Quote[/b] ]As if you have something to fear from a person anyway.

Yes I would find people walking about in the streets armed to the teeth pretty disturbing, it really doesn't have anything to do with 'fearing persons'. Guns should be carried by the police only, they know how to handle them and judge the situation much better than average Joe's. Lets see: Somebody robs a store and everybody around pulls out a gun to shoot him, then there's a shootout, police arrives - how the hell are they going to assess who's felon and who is just citizen 'protecting himself'? Or better, how could average Joe's keep his cool when everybody's holding a gun and he just pulled his because others did too not even knowing the situation.

Quote[/b] ]Some of you act like a random guy would like to kill you, and as long as he doesn't have a gun, that's okay.

I agree, I would feel much safer if nobody would carry guns outdoors except security firms and police.

[IceFire 0]

http://www.ont.com/users/kolya/AR15/aw94.htm

Scroll down and take the challenge...

Ok, can someone clarify this for me?

I had the impression that the 1994 AWB made it illegal to own a class III fully automatic firearm without getting a permit from the ATF.

Am I wrong about this?

As for the debate whether civilians should own firearms or not. I feel that it is every Americans right to bear arms. Honestly, it is the only true last resort protection an American has in the event that the government were to become tyrannical or a foreign enemy were to attempt to take the country by force. Not to mention the use of protection against the criminal element.

Regardless, I read alot of opinions here that civilians should not own firearms and only by professionals and experts such as the military, law enforcement, and others in the "business".

In one way I agree, and disagree. I do feel that every civilian that does own a firearm has the responsibility to properly know how to use it, handle it, clean it, and everything related.

Just because someone is a civilian doesn't mean they don't know how to handle it if they have been properly trained with them.

On another point, I do agree that there are many Americans who do NOT know how to properly handle firearms, and show clear irresponsibility with them. But just a little education such as some firearms classes could teach the basics and much more on how to handle them.

Anyhow, I do agree that guns should not be looked at as toys. They are tools designed for a purpose, care and respect are required when handling a firearm. Nor should firearms be a projection of one's "manliness". That to me is just a stupid and irresponsible delusion.

Several folks in my family own firearms. They do not have any fantasies of being manly or tough. Again, this is a dangerous and reckless frame of mind when it comes to guns. My uncles hunt with them. It's about skill and prowess. It's a personal hobby.

Me? I only fire rifles on occasion for target shooting. I enjoy the challenge of accurately hitting a target at a range. It is about concentration and focus. A bit like for the same reasons people play pool. I don't really look at firearms as tool for defense or protection. I wouln't want to kill someone unless my life was truly at danger. Plus, I am not paranoid that someone will ever break into my house, and if they did I would just use my baseball bat.

Anyways, not all American civilian gun owners should be looked at as irresponsible rambo wannabes. There are more than just a few reasons to own a firearm as I just described above. Such as hobby, recreation, or even competetive matches.

[DanAK47 1]

The AWB did nothing to regulate class III automatic weapons. That's a different law.

The AWB only made it illegal to manufacture weapons with more than a certain number of "scary" cosmetic features.

Blake - There are varying degrees of "Temper issues." Apparently this one was enough of a problem to get him fired. I think his friends said there was something wrong with him.

You seem to think everyone here is armed to the teeth. Chances are nobody would even confront the robber. There are not police officers sitting around every bank waiting for it to be robbed. They can not protect you from everything.

Even if an armed person was there I highly doubt it would turn into the wild west shootout you mentioned.

Is there any particular reason you believe an average person on the street would like to kill you? Are you paranoid?

But of course, police and security guards should be the only people to carry guns. I thought guns caused crime? They are designed to kill people, so why would someone who wants to keep the peace carry one? Besides, a criminal could easily steal it from him.

[IceFire 0]

DanAK47, read my post above on civilian gun ownership.

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]I brought it up but you seem emotionally attached to it.

Did you even bother to read any of those pages I linked to?

No but I don´t like people running around stupid

Yes I´ve checked the first, but I prefer our military releases.

And I do know that there was a big internal search for the missing devices. So this may ring a bell...maybe...

[Blake 0]

Quote[/b] ]I thought guns caused crime? They are designed to kill people, so why would someone who wants to keep the peace carry one? Besides, a criminal could easily steal it from him.

I would trust trained security personnel and police more than average Joe's carrying guns, wouldn't you? You are a bit oversimplyfying here. I'd say guns in the right hands enforce peace and law, but in everybodys hands they are quite the opposite. Criminals can easily steal guns from cops and security guards? Well thats quite funny  

Anyway this discussion has across a full circle now and it's getting to a point of repeating things already said. There are more interesting threads out there...

[IceFire 0]

Anyway this discussion has across a full circle now and it's getting to a point of repeating things already said. There are more interesting threads out there...

Well, everyone is making the same point. But my post sets a different tone on the argument on the right to bear arms, and noone wants to debate it because it makes sense.

So, fine close your eyes, consider this debate done and walk away if you want.

[DanAK47 1]

I don't see anything different in your post. I like guns because they are fun to shoot.

In reply to that I was told that if they are fun, they are looked at as toys. Ha.

Most of the anti-gun argument here seems to be based on feelings... You "feel" you are in danger because someone has a gun.

That or because they are designed to kill.. So is lethal injection. Are you afraid that someone is going to take you away and stick the needle in you for no reason?

[Blake 0]

Quote[/b] ]So, fine close your eyes, consider this debate done and walk away if you want.

I bear a right to walk away from a discussion I find repetitive, boring and unconvincing.

Quote[/b] ]That or because they are designed to kill.. So is lethal injection. Are you afraid that someone is going to take you away and stick the needle in you for no reason?

Here we go again, first it was car then katanas and knives and now lethal injections. Please. This WAS about assault rifles. Now goodbye.

[DarkLight 0]

This morning i heard that 60% of the americans are against this new law but the government thinks otherwise... is this true?

I sure hope not because it pisses me off when governments don't listen to their own ppl...

Kinda like the Spanish government ignoring all the spanish protesting against the war in iraq...

Sheehs, the government is supposed to listen to their ppl riiiight? Aaargh i hate it when they act like that Happens all the time all over the world and it's unbelievable!

And if the major part of you think that these guns should be sold then that kinda makes me worry...

This is some serious shit you know...

I just hope Europe will never even think about accepting laws like this... I sometimes sure am happy that i don't live on that biiiiiig island called america

Oh well

Cultures do differ apparently

I think it's extremely weird that you americans like/accept laws like this... So much violence over there and still...

Oh well... as i said, different culture...

I don't mind at all, i live here in good ol' Belgium and i'm pretty sure that none of you americans can shoot me from where you live

[DanAK47 1]

If you live in Belgium what do you know about the violence in America?

Seriously, the "violence" here gets blown way out of proportion.

60% of people here don't know anything about weapons and think that if the AWB goes away, the streets will be flooded with Uzis.

Blake, since you are bowwing out, I will try not to say anything that provokes you to respond. But the lethal injection example is something that is clearly designed to kill people and has no other use. That is what is being said about guns.

[IceFire 0]

This is a steriotype I hate.

America is full of violence and guns! HA!

Sure we have had some shootings in our history, but aside from the occasional drunken barfight we hardly have a violence "problem" despite what you hear on the news.

Jeez, I just hate it how foreigners think they understand the U.S. without living here, especially the problems of the U.S.

[Balschoiw 0]

IceFire please do us a favour and read the thread before you post. It´s so damn boring to have to repeat all over. We had all that, we had all the statistics, the numbers of people killed in the USA. That´s all in here. Please read it first and then try to take part. It´s useless and we let the thread die if you repeat things all over that have been answered, commented, proven some pages ago. That´s just no good style to hop in and ring the buzzer.

It will save us a lot of time, quoting ourselves...