Vietnam Warfare: Burned Battlefields

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

I think we try as hard as we can to get a realistic mood in our mod. We have a lot of research on the web. Yeah me personally bought some books about uniforms in nam (and one model kit ... By the way some films about nam are good like Hamburger Hill or FMJ ... and some are pretty heroic

Our stand point .... hmmm let me think .... i think vw:bb is trying to get the middle between the Army and NVA so we are neutral or objectiv what ever u want to call it

"educational mod" hmmm do u mean it in this school education way? Ok it should be realistic but i wouldn't do a report on the vietnam war in school after i played this mod

But don't panic it won't be onesided.

And there will be no gooks (the word will perhaps in it if a gi gets angry ;) or something like this in it only americans and vietnamese units. Both sides (Allied forces and communism forces) will be equal.

Hope u don't get me wrong

[Drill Sergeant 0]

Nah man I just men educational as being like oh Ididn't know that happened that way. I'm not asking you to be politicaly correct either, tell it as it.

Keep up the good work.

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

Ok would be cool if somebody has this educational effect while playing the mod .... thanks for your comment(s)

Greetings,

Charon

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

hmmm damn it .... some kind of double post

[Drill Sergeant 0]

Yeah glad to see its not one of those. "Lets go waste some gooks mods" Duno but allot of NAM games are just like the

above.

[drow 0]

The Unsung has an open invitation to ALL Vietnam modders for possible cooperation (depending on your work of course).

*Runs*  

Runaway little girl,

you already lost your chance anyways.

@Charon,

dude i think gook should be a mainstay, they definitly said it alot, and about honoring the commies too, absolutely, they fought with pride and honor as well, up against even harder odds than the Americans.

The Vietnamese people had been fighting for control of their country for a thousand years, no joke either, a thousand. From China, the Mongols, France, Japan, US... probably even more...

In ofp tho, its nearly impossible to show their side (10 years of tunnels), but its possible to depict them in an honorable light, like in "We Were Soldiers" (kinda cheezy movie with all the wifey stuff) they depicted the NVA as very honorable.

In our mod we are almost never going to show the enemy... (unless youre attacked of course) to keep that feeling of fear, theyre always out there, but where? Lots of vets decribe the VC as ghosts.

 

[scfan42 0]

Perhaps some random drop commands of VC ghosts running through the jungle

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

@ drow: "be no gooks (the word will perhaps in it if a gi gets angry ;)" I mentioned this because i want to show that i have a great respect for the vietnamese people and i don't like to hear some people saying the americans fought against some gooks instead of the americans fought against vietnamese units (but you aren't one of those people i think

And yeah i defenatly agree that the vietnamese folk have a very respectfully history as i mentioned it before.

The tunnel thing is hard to permute in ofp, thats right but perhaps with the help of scripts and modellin' it could be done who knows ... OFP: Everything is possible

By the way i like the way u want the vc to be "like ghosts" because sometimes in the jungle they were ghosts but on the other side there are the battles with the NVA army and the open VC battles like Tet offensive etc. too (-> nice film btw "A shining bright lie")

We are taking Vietcong as one example for our work because this game is the most realistic NAM Game at the moment. Better than childish Battlefield Vietnam (only my opinion and Co.

The developers (pterodon) put so many work into this game (flights to Vietnam, original weapons were used as examples etc.)

[Sgt. Stryker 0]

I dont think its a question of respect, if someone was to make a movie about .... lets say.... the desegregation of schools in the US you know the crowd in alabama wouldnt be yelling "you gosh darn black people" no they wouldnt. Making it realistic will not hurt someone if they know your intention. In matter of fact I beleieve there s a movie about that exact thing produced by a black dude, the the "N" word was in it a lot. I dunno a vietnam game/movie/book without the angry displaced american draftees saying gook is no more realistic than BF:V

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

A movie is one thing a game which is based on realistic historical facts you should show some more respect to the men and women who lost their life in the real battle and not on a virtual battlefield. In ofp you can restart in reallife you can't (yeah nothin' new about it i know =)

And "gook" is still a cuss like the "N"-word is for black people and i don't like (white) people who use this word. It's racism and so was it in nam i know but i mentioned it two times ... there will be an audio file but there won't be any missions with a briefing like "Ok hurry up, there are many bloody gooks around and i think we should kill them as soon as we can those little bastards" - sometimes too much realism is too much

But if you want to be really correct u should call the coloured soldiers sometimes with the N word too like they did in NAM but nobody would do this right?

One source: In 1967, Muhammad Ali explained his refusal to be drafted to serve in the Vietnam War by saying, "I got nothing against no Viet Cong. No Vietnamese ever called me nigger

source

But that's my point of view.

Btw if i know the cuss the vietnamese used for the americans (like gaijin in japan) there would be some kind of equality.

[jakerod 254]

Just an idea for the tunnels, model the insides only and make it so that they are a couple thousand meters up in the sky using setpos or something then have units going through them, just might be a little rough on the AI. Then make it so that there is something on the ground where you can walk up to it hit "Enter Tunnel" or something and it will black out and you will be in the tunnel up in the sky. That is only if you want them to be in the tunnel though.

If your going for the effect of soldiers coming out of nowhere just make them appear behind trees or in bushes or something for that effect.

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

Thanks for your support, Jakerod

I think we'll soon discuss this idea internal.

If there are some problems could we ask you for further support?

Greetings,

Charon

[drow 0]

Just an idea for the tunnels, model the insides only and make it so that they are a couple thousand meters up in the sky using setpos or something then have units going through them, just might be a little rough on the AI. Then make it so that there is something on the ground where you can walk up to it hit "Enter Tunnel" or something and it will black out and you will be in the tunnel up in the sky. That is only if you want them to be in the tunnel though.

If your going for the effect of soldiers coming out of nowhere just make them appear behind trees or in bushes or something for that effect.

where did u get this idea?

someone has told me this idea before...

[Sgt. Stryker 0]

ai couldnt hanel it worth shit though.

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

I think TSC Plage had a tunnel idea too ... he made a test mission some time ago with a script which caused that the player was beamt into a "tunnel" (in this example a tent). The entrance was a ladder on the ground.

I think there are many ideas about tunnels in the ofp community ... some of them are in my head too

Greets,

Charon

[drow 0]

yea hes the guy who told me about the idea :P

[jakerod 254]

Quote[/b] ]Quote (Jakerod @ July 09 2004,18:11)

Just an idea for the tunnels, model the insides only and make it so that they are a couple thousand meters up in the sky using setpos or something then have units going through them, just might be a little rough on the AI. Then make it so that there is something on the ground where you can walk up to it hit "Enter Tunnel" or something and it will black out and you will be in the tunnel up in the sky. That is only if you want them to be in the tunnel though.

If your going for the effect of soldiers coming out of nowhere just make them appear behind trees or in bushes or something for that effect.

where did u get this idea?

someone has told me this idea before...  

I probably told it to you on MSN sometime ago but I don't know maybe it was someone else.

Quote[/b] ]If there are some problems could we ask you for further support?

I couldnt help with modeling or anything but I could maybe solve problems with ideas. Ideas and island making are really the only thing im any good at in ofp... on occasion mission making.

[Redkid Joker 0]

I dont know if this is said already but, "gook" means person I think...

*Me thinks*

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

Yeah this is one meaning thats right but the gook it's all about (in the Vietnam War and Korea War) is this

"[n]  a disparaging term for an Asian person (especially for North Vietnamese soldiers in the Vietnam War)"

source

Greets,

Charon

[Shinbusan 0]

You can always add disclaimer or something, where you clear, what you think about brave vietnamese men*. And you can add some missions, where you attack GIs and show how honorable were some VC. But lets do not make some side better then the other. War is brutal and primitive. Almost all soldiers are getting to be a beasts. No one who wasn't at war, can understand it and feel it. And by game or movie you can't make a war to be fully felt. And thats all...

*hehe, I like political correctness "brave men and women" . I think Americans have more problem then any other country with racism and that is why Americans are the most political correctness nation too. I know why, but it is funny.

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

I think we won't advantage any of the armies and parties which were involved in the Vietnam War but we also don' want to make a mod in which you only see one point of view of the war (and the point of view which is often used in games, movies etc. is the US point of view).

And yeah there will be missions for both parties whether it's honorable or not because

Quote[/b] ]"War is brutal and primitive. Almost all soldiers are getting to be a beasts"

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[drow 0]

@ July 12 2004,18:54)]Yeah this is one meaning thats right but the gook it's all about (in the Vietnam War and Korea War) is this

"[n]  a disparaging term for an Asian person (especially for North Vietnamese soldiers in the Vietnam War)"

source

Greets,

Charon

gook was slang for person, in the Korean language.

the grizzly SGTs that came from Korea to Vietnam brought that term with them.

i once rea a quote that went something like this...

"In war, there are heros on all sides."

so yea i think its great to show the view of the communists fighting for their homeland as well as the floundering US military slaughtering thousands...

[kerosene 0]

If you get the oppurtunity, read a book called "the sorrow of war" by Bao Ninh, he was an NVA veteran and the books about the vietnam war all the way up to the fall of saigon.

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

Don't forget that the US didn't fight (i won't use the word slaughtered because this sounds not objective and that's what our mod is about) alone in this war. Also the Australian Army, ROK forces, Philippine army fought against the NVA and Vietcong and their hidden Allies (russian SA-2/3 crews for example).

@kerosene: Sounds intersting to me. I'll see what i can do to get this book right into my hands  

[Metalmalte 0]

any news on this great stuff? show us some more stuff!