U.s. fingerprints even more visitors!

[der bastler 0]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3595221.stm

http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet....ational

http://www.newsday.com/news....adlines

The move will affect visitors from 27 countries - including the UK, Japan and Australia - whose nationals are able to visit the US without a visa.

The change in the US-Visit programme is due to take effect by 30 September.

Seems I can cancel my plans for autumn holiday in D.C. and/or NYC. I do not want to be treated as a criminal.

Quote[/b] ]But Washington decided to extend the programme after determining that visa waiver countries will not meet an October deadline to introduce sophisticated passports, which include biometric data and make counterfeiting virtually impossible.

Hey, afaik an identification card is not very popular among U.S. citizens, so perhaps they should care for themselves first?

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

can you sue them if the ink on your finger leaves spots on your Gucci suit?  

At least they have a fair system now. EVERYONE has to give his fingerprint!   But why isnt italy on the list?

[Acecombat 0]

Quote[/b] ]But why isnt italy on the list?

Because of Gucci?

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Now seriously, I dont care about these controlls as long as makes things easier for me. I dont to be asked during the passport control "would you please follow us sir, we have a few questions". I give my fingerprint, they will know who I am when leaving the US.

[Koolkid101 0]

Id cards can't be that bad if they speed up goin in and out of the airport..

[EiZei 0]

Wonder what they would think of an ID card with a picture and an electronic memory chip and it would have to be renewed every 5 years.

Never been fingerprinted in my life though.

[Winters 1]

I already have to show ID in nearly every building i go to in NYC while working and i have been fingerprinted countless of times over the course of my life, it's really not a big deal anymore. We have to renew our drivers liscenses, i have to get my real estate liscense renewed every 2 years. ID cards and fingerprinting (especially if your job requires you to handle company funds) are common now.

[der bastler 0]

I already have to show ID in nearly every building i go to in NYC while working and i have been fingerprinted countless of times over the course of my life, it's really not a big deal anymore.

It is sad to see how people do not care about intrusion into their privacy...

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Allowing controls is a sign of showing patriotism. Show you patriotism for the land of the free!

Wait something tastes bad in that sentence!

[der bastler 0]

Allowing controls is a sign of showing patriotism. Show you patriotism for the land of the free!

I sense much sarcasm in you! Sarcasm is the path to the dark side of the humour. Sarcasm leads to cynism. Cynism leads to depression. Depression leads to suffering...

[Harnu 0]

I already have to show ID in nearly every building i go to in NYC while working and i have been fingerprinted countless of times over the course of my life, it's really not a big deal anymore.

It is sad to see how people do not care about intrusion into their privacy...  

How is it an intrusion into privacy if others want to know that you are who you say you are, and most often purely for security reasons?

[Gadger 0]

If these precautions bring down the probability of my flight being diverted into a sky scraper I'm all for 'em. Might meen an extra few minutes at customs but its well worth the wait imo.

[der bastler 0]

How is it an intrusion into privacy if others want to know that you are who you say you are, and most often purely for security reasons?

That is the problem: terrorists do not appear as criminals before they go boom. It is their key to get near their targets: stay unnoticed. No speed tickets. No unpaid bills.

So Mr. Bin-Baden will get through the controls with his shiny new biometric ID card just because Mr. Bin-Baden is not suspect except for his name. And he is Mr. Bin-Baden, he does not need to hide this. And suicide terrorists based on a cell system do not need to remove any traces because:

1.) after the strike they will be dead (and in paradise if the Terror Inc. recruiting guy is right)

2.) a network with independent cells will lead to a dead end in investigations

Therefore Mr. Bin-Baden does not need to worry about his fingerprints and/or photo being recorded...

And how can terrorist assaults be avoided by obtaining detailed ID informations? There are millions of people passing through the controls. There will be millions of records of different sources that have to be scanned every day for suspicious people. And how do you want to identify these suspicious persons? Because their faces look arabic? Or their names sound arabic? Perhaps they come from a country unknown to the average citizen? I do not think the evil guys are that stupid to send persons with a big "Terrorist!" written on their foreheads.

We are still talking about normal passengers and tourists. People taking pictures at Time Square; visiting Grand Canyon. Do not get me wrong, a detailed ID is imo necessary in certain non-public areas like power plant control stations etc. But not regarding millions of innocent passengers.

[sputnik monroe 102]

Quote[/b] ]Hey, afaik an identification card is not very popular among U.S. citizens, so perhaps they should care for themselves first?  

    No. This is only for foreigners of course. The laws of a land only bears merit on the citizens of that nation. You must pledge allegiance to the flag of a nation  before you're entitled to the rights of a citizen. Until then any perks you recieve are just priviledges

     

    Think of it like visitors parking at a office building.  If you actually work at the said company you can park anywhere you want, other wise you have to use the visitors parking. Same thing once inside the building, you'll probably be denied access to the employees lounge if you're just a visitor.  

    I would never visit England and expect to have the same rights and privileges as the locals. Basically I'm just saying if you want full membership privileges of any club then you have to join it first. Until then you can only use visitors parking and wear a Visitors pass around your neck.

[Winters 1]

I already have to show ID in nearly every building i go to in NYC while working and i have been fingerprinted countless of times over the course of my life, it's really not a big deal anymore.

It is sad to see how people do not care about intrusion into their privacy...  

This is not an intrusion into my privacy and if you lived here in NYC you would understand this.

We have been doing this LOOOOOOOOOOOONG before 9/11 this is nothing new.

Checking your ID is not about stopping terrorism, it is to make sure that you actually do have business to conduct in the building you are in and that your not in this building to cause trouble.

[Winters 1]

How is it an intrusion into privacy if others want to know that you are who you say you are, and most often purely for security reasons?

That is the problem: terrorists do not appear as criminals before they go boom. It is their key to get near their targets: stay unnoticed. No speed tickets. No unpaid bills.

So Mr. Bin-Baden will get through the controls with his shiny new biometric ID card just because Mr. Bin-Baden is not suspect except for his name. And he is Mr. Bin-Baden, he does not need to hide this. And suicide terrorists based on a cell system do not need to remove any traces because:

1.) after the strike they will be dead (and in paradise if the Terror Inc. recruiting guy is right)

2.) a network with independent cells will lead to a dead end in investigations

Therefore Mr. Bin-Baden does not need to worry about his fingerprints and/or photo being recorded...

And how can terrorist assaults be avoided by obtaining detailed ID informations? There are millions of people passing through the controls. There will be millions of records of different sources that have to be scanned every day for suspicious people. And how do you want to identify these suspicious persons? Because their faces look arabic? Or their names sound arabic? Perhaps they come from a country unknown to the average citizen? I do not think the evil guys are that stupid to send persons with a big "Terrorist!" written on their foreheads.

We are still talking about normal passengers and tourists. People taking pictures at Time Square; visiting Grand Canyon. Do not get me wrong, a detailed ID is imo necessary in certain non-public areas like power plant control stations etc. But not regarding millions of innocent passengers.

Terrorists enter countries through airplanes as well. My point is that people understand why security had been increased and just deal with it. If we did nothing and had another attack you can be sure that the people who scream about invasion of privacy would scream that we are not doing enough about security.

You show your ID everywhere you go these days if need to get money from the bank, have to pick up a parcel at the post office or you just won $1,000,000 in the lottery you must prove who you are. This is not something new and is NOT an invasion of privacy.

[joltan 0]

No, showing your ID isn't - that's normal, and it shouldn't apply only to foreigners but to every citizen (in my country you have to carry an id card). What is much more critical is the collection of data about people visiting the US that your administration requires the carriers to supply. Note that the information collected goes far beyond what is required to get the visa - including bank details and more 'private' stuff. As this goes far beyond anything considered legal and acceptable (at least for us here in Europe) this is a very good reason NOT to visit the US.