Albanian terror on kosovo

[Radnik 18]

Albanian terror on Kosovo again against Serbs,

WHAT A FUCK KFOR/UMNIC IS DOING ON KOSOVO ? CAMPING ?

WHAT IS THEIR MISSION ?

Ohhggggr  I'm VERY ANGRY      

[turms 0]

Well what do you think would have happened there today without peacekeepers?

[Radnik 18]

...If thay done thair job in past 2 years none off this would happend today...

...its haos in Belgrade right now, lots of people are on streets, all albanian buildings are tarrgets.

Sory for my English i'm litle excitied..

[SpecOp9 0]

Yea your Bob the Builder avatar sure shows that clearly...LOL

[bn880 5]

They have done plenty so far, I mean it is insane just how much Serbs and Albanians hate each other. In addition there is no definite solution to the crysis, what happens in the future to the Serbs is written in sand.

[denoir 0]

WHAT A FUCK KFOR/UMNIC IS DOING ON KOSOVO ? CAMPING ?

WHAT IS THEIR MISSION ?

The historical reason? -Keeping Serbia from starting yet another genocide.

Practical objectives:

1. Enforcing the Military Technical Agreement. (Yugoslavia's surrender and withdraw conditions)

2. Peace enforcing

3. Assisting the UN (UMINK)

Quote[/b] ]...If thay done thair job in past 2 years none off this would happend today...

If Milosevic had not started his persecutions of Albanians in '89 then really none of this would have happened.

Quote[/b] ]...its haos in Belgrade right now, lots of people are on streets, all albanian buildings are tarrgets.

I suppose you're blaming KFOR for this too?

After its central role in the Balkan conflict, Serbia has very little credibility when it comes to complaining. Do not forget that the wars in Croatia, Bosnia and finally Kosovo were all started with the motivation of "the poor Serb minority are being terrorized by the evil nasty *****". Not quite likely that anybody would fall for that again.

And while I'm sure that it's very convenient to blame big bad KFOR and those that bombed you a few years back. It's however completely misguided. The ethnic violence us there because of a decade long oppression of the Albanians by the Serbs and now a few years of oppression of the Serbs by the Albanians. It's not a matter of government and law, but on a much more fundamental cultural level. KFOR and UN can physically try to prevent emerging conflicts. The root of the problems however has to be solved by the Serbs and the Albanians over time.

One problem is certainly Albanians looking for payback, but Serbia is an equal contributor to the problems. The problem with Serbia is that the people actually never has faced reality when it comes to the war. People tend to think that the removal of Milosevic had anything to do with the war crimes comitted under him. That's not the case. He was removed for driving Serbia into a horrible economic state and for in the end losing Kosovo. His successor, Kostunica was at least as nationalist as Milosevic. Most Serbs consider themselves being the poor victims of an unjustified agression. Until Serbia faces what it has done and realizes that overall it was the agressor and not the victim, there is little hope for a normal multicultural society in Kosovo.

[Radnik 18]

They have done plenty so far

...Albanian terorists are same one as those in Spain, France, all over the world.

Do you now how many terrorist camps are in Kosovo ?

Why are they different from other terroris groups, i mean CNN reporters have interviews with leader of KLA. A man who lead terrorist atacks on Serbian police and Army.

 

[denoir 0]

Do you now how many terrorist camps are in Kosovo ?

"None" would be the closest.

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Why are they different from other terroris groups, i mean CNN reporters have interviews with leader of KLA. A man who lead terrorist atacks on Serbian police and Army.

Were the partisans that faught the Nazis in ww2 terrorists? The KLA is today almost non-existant. During the conflict it was a paramilitary organization targeting Yugoslav army and police special units, sabotaging infrastructure, communications etc.. i.e classic partisan warfare. When KFOR came to the scene, they became a liability because they were heavily involved in the sales of weapons, narcotics and other black-marketeering. So they were effectivly disarmed by KFOR. The problem today is not in an organized force but in well-armed individuals. For obvious reasons they are much more difficult to identify and disarm. Overall the Serbs, while in minority are better armed. When I was down in Kosovo in 2001, one of the biggest problems was the leakage of weapons and explosives from Yugoslavia to Kosovo via various black-market channels. The disproportion of the armament of the two sides can be clearly seen in yesteday's attack where 2 Serbs were killed and 6-8 Albanians.

[red oct 2]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....clashes

well i can agree w/ Radnik on something is gona have to be done reasonably quick.

[Radnik 18]

@denoir

I think that your  "poor Serbs" and Serbian people like ZOMBIES and Savages, BARBARIANS, PREDATORS and NO HUMANS is litle bit wrong you clever boy.

You should ask Bush to send Serbs on MARS, now when there is water there to isolate them from rest of the world.Thay mite conquer the world.

Now...its not eventuality the attack on Spain.Why ?

What the hell were Spain army doing in Iraq. Did Iraq people attack people in Spain before that.

As for Bosnia and Croatia conflict i have no comment on your story about it in preview post. If you are so informed (DO NOT WATCH TV TO OFFTEN) you shoud work in CIA or something like that.

[ralphwiggum 6]

Radnik,

watch your language. calling names is not tolerated here.

also, FYI, denoir served some time in Kosovo as part of EU force.

[denoir 0]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm....clashes

well i can agree w/ Radnik on something is gona have to be done reasonably quick.

It depends. In 2001 it was much better than in 1999. In 2004 it is much better than in 2001. Things are getting better and better. While this current wave of violence is nasty and unfortunate, it's a temporary setback. Through good peace enforcing such outbreaks of violence can be contained. On the whole, the process of normalization is going very well. The number of KFOR troops are constantly being decreased and as are the numbers of violent incidents.

The key is the normalization of the society. Over time both Albanians and Serbs will accept the situation and break their self-imposed isolation.

That's why some form of political involvement form the side of Serbia only makes things worse.

I really hope that this settles down and does not escalate.

[bn880 5]

You should calm down a bit, you know what happened jsut now is not that bad compared to daily events in Israel or Iraq, and it was just sparked by a few extremists killing....

EDIT: Was talking to Radnik...

[Radnik 18]

Were the partisans that faught the Nazis in ww2 terrorists? The KLA is today almost non-existant. During the conflict it was a paramilitary organization targeting Yugoslav army and police special units, sabotaging infrastructure, communications etc.. i.e classic partisan warfare.

@Ralph

Sory, realy, i'm little bit angry, excited,

...Madrid terrorist attack is TERROR

...Israeli & Palestinian conflict is TERROR

...Chechen in Russia is TERROR

...

Only the Albanian terror is classic partisan warfare  

[denoir 0]

As for Bosnia and Croatia conflict i have no comment on your story about it in preview post. If you are so informed (DO NOT WATCH TV TO OFFTEN) you shoud work in CIA or something like that.

I do tend to think that I have a bit more accurate picture than given by your dear RTS propaganda outlet

Quote[/b] ]Only the Albanian terror is classic partisan warfare

The difference is that the others that you listed are about indiscriminate attacks on civilians. The KLA, when it was active targeted Yugoslav military and police forces rather than just arbitrary civilians. The Albanians that started the riots yesterday were not part of some paramilitary organization. They were just a mob looking for what they thought of as payback. Bringing the KLA into this is quite pointless as it's virtually non-existant today.

[bn880 5]

As for Bosnia and Croatia conflict i have no comment on your story about it in preview post. If you are so informed (DO NOT WATCH TV TO OFFTEN) you shoud work in CIA or something like that.

I do tend to think that I have a bit more accurate picture than given by your dear RTS propaganda outlet

He(denoir) works for the CoC, leave him alone.

[denoir 0]

also, FYI, denoir served some time in Kosovo as part of EU force.

Thank you Ralph, just a bit of nitpicking: I served directly with KFOR under COMKFOR. So I was not part of SWEBAT or an multinational brigade. Technically I was on a loan to KFOR HQ from the Swedish military.

He(denoir) works for the CoC, leave him alone

Yeah, back off. I know OFP script and I'm not afraid to use it!

[Radnik 18]

I do tend to think that I have a bit more accurate picture than given by your dear RTS propaganda outlet

Well  its not mine, i demolish her and all former comunist Milosevic regime symbols on 5th october 2001 when "democracy" came in Serbia.

Let me get back you on the right way ( do not get me wrong), I'm not a supporter of Milosevic and Sadams way of rule the country but I GET ANGRY EVERY TIME SOMEONE ATTACK MINE COUNTRY/people

[denoir 0]

Let me get back you on the right way ( do not get me wrong), I'm not a supporter of Milosevic and Sadams way of rule the country but I GET ANGRY EVERY TIME SOMEONE ATTACK MINE COUNTRY/people

Like it or not, but the Albanians are your citizens as well (if we want to keep the illusion that Kosovo is still part of Serbia). Nobody attacked your country yesteday. You had one mob of your citizens attack another mob of your citizens. These were not terrorist attacks, but angry people starting a riot. And in the end more Albanians were killed than Serbs.

If you were talking about my post about the Serb involvement in the war, then tough break; You'll have to face reality one day on what Milosevic with the blessing of the Serb people did in ex-Yugoslavia. Take a good objective look at it istead of paranoidly assuming that everybody hates the Serbian people.

You said in one of your first posts:

Quote[/b] ]...its haos in Belgrade right now, lots of people are on streets, all albanian buildings are tarrgets.

In what way is it better when a mob of Serbs in Belgrade go after innocent Albanians than when a mob of Albanians in Mitrovice go after innocent Serbs?

[Radnik 18]

Out of time

... next time when you are in neighbourhood give me a call and we can talk 3 days about it

[Sgt. Stryker 0]

Its disgusting how humans act sometimes. A family fued many centuries ago is now mass killing and hatred. I have an idea!!!! send all the babies to mars and raise them as humans that respwct all other humans, no matter what ethnicity you are, then come back, and show thier full of hate mommies and daddies that its possible to live on earth (or mars) with these people. I wish every human woould just for once consider how foolish and dangerous foolish hate is. Jews and Musilims, Hindus and Muslims (hmmm strange), Albainain and Serbs, Chechens and Russians , Communist and Facistis, USA and.... the rest of the world (except britian sometimes)doesnt matter people are people and damn thier parents for instaling such hate in thier minds. Anyways, dont get worked up and angry and have delusions of rebuttle, it your feeding the fire which is burning stronger than ever before. Yeah it sucks many people on this board probably knew someone in 9/11 or casualties of Iraq war, but adding hate does shit man. Why cant poeple just look at what thyere doing.

[denoir 0]

Out of time  

... next time when you are in neighbourhood give me a call and we can talk 3 days about it  

Moze, dogovoreno!

Well, I'm off to bed but I'd love to continue this discussion tomorrow

[denoir 0]

Things seem to gotten worse since yesteday.

Nato sends more troops to Kosovo [bBC]

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Thousands took to the streets of Belgrade on Wednesday night to protest at attacks on their fellow Serbs in Kosovo.

Demonstrators broke through a police cordon to set a 17th century mosque on fire.

A mosque was also set ablaze in the Serbian city of Nis.

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Unbefuckinglievable.  

[Radnik 18]

...what did you expected denoir ?

I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS KINDA OUTRAGE.

You find a serb mob picture, but why did'n you find yesterday albanian mob burning serbian houses away from Mitrovica.

They burning ORTODOX CHURCHS and monastery as we speak.

That is partizans warefare  

[ran 0]

Oh shit .... not again ....

Repeated violence waves are getting borign and if there's actually an outburst of violence, fuck it then, i won't step back in this regionnal shithole, i've done my share in the Balkans.

When will you people learn ? haven't the past conflicts in the region been enough to get through thick nationalist skulls that ethnically motivated war/civil war is bad ?

I've seen enough nasty things to feel just like letting the whole region of the balkans going down the shitter .. but it would be wasting all the ressources, time and men UN and NATO spent there ....

Balkans are a pain in the ass of Europe and have always been ....