Haiti president have left the building/haiti

[Colossus 2]

Shouldn't he resign now? Now that he have left his people alone?

If he has left the country the rebels can just take the country.

Hmmm...what a idiot.

EDIT:

CNN

BBC

[Ironsight 1]

If he has left the country the rebels can just take the country.

I think he doesn't care anymore

[ran 0]

shit happens ....

If Aristide hadn't given a reason for the "Cannibals" to turn against him .... he would still be in power.

You can consider that there are 3 sides in the civil war ongoing in Haiti right now: the govermentals, the "cannibals" and other armed rebel groups which are former Aristide's supports and the political opposition to Aristide.

for now, the "cannibals" team up with the oponents to the power in place (or which used to be in place) but this may not last ...

the "Cannibals" and other "Chimeries" are fighting for some kind of Vendetta (their leader has been killed by Aristide's forces because he was becoming too popular and powerful)

[ran 0]

If he has left the country the rebels can just take the country.

I think he doesn't care anymore

he never cared all that much either

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

If he has left the country the rebels can just take the country.

I think he doesn't care anymore

he never cared all that much either

How short people's memory is.

Aristide was a reformist president, one that wanted to turn Haiti from a country ruined by fascist dictators into a powerful carribean economy.

However, his policies had one downside. They encouraged land reform and nationalisation of businesses. The communist alarm bells rang loudly in Washington and they managed to oust him with the same method as now many years ago. Then Clinton managed to get him in, in return for very downsized reforms.

Looks like he did too much again. I would not be surprised at all if the CIA nation builders were at it again.

For those who think that I am talking tripe, have a read:

http://members.aol.com/bblum6/haiti2.htm

I read this book btw, the sources are all top-notch.

[Colossus 2]

If he has left the country the rebels can just take the country.

I think he doesn't care anymore

he never cared all that much either

ok thats true

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

If he has left the country the rebels can just take the country.

I think he doesn't care anymore

he never cared all that much either

ok thats true

No its not. Read the link in my post above

[Colossus 2]

If he has left the country the rebels can just take the country.

I think he doesn't care anymore

he never cared all that much either

ok thats true

No its not. Read the link in my post above

ok, but dont quote me again

[ran 0]

If he has left the country the rebels can just take the country.

I think he doesn't care anymore

he never cared all that much either

How short people's memory is.

Aristide was a reformist president, one that wanted to turn Haiti from a country ruined by fascist dictators into a powerful carribean economy.

However, his policies had one downside. They encouraged land reform and nationalisation of businesses. The communist alarm bells rang loudly in Washington and they managed to oust him with the same method as now many years ago. Then Clinton managed to get him in, in return for very downsized reforms.

Looks like he did too much again. I would not be surprised at all if the CIA nation builders were at it again.

For those who think that I am talking tripe, have a read:

http://members.aol.com/bblum6/haiti2.htm

I read this book btw, the sources are all top-notch.

well, he cared too much then

i have to admit i'm the one who didn't care all that much about Haiti until the end of 2003

[Baphomet 0]

It kind of pisses me off that Aristide decried the United States government as being racist for not sending an intervention task force.

Honestly Aristide. Shut up. I'm -so- tired of hearing about black people saying every white man is racist. Then again I'm Canadian and where I live there isn't a lot of racially motivated tension. I believe the United States has just bit off enough already and can't be trifling with the internicine conflicts of some small country. They went to Afghanistan motivated by a desire to capture Osama bin Laden. Someone associated with threatening their country. This internal conflict has nothing to do with the United States. I see it as Aristide playing the race card to generate sympathy. Which is nothing more to me if annoying.

While I don't believe myself to be racist I'm rather cynical in my opinion of places like Liberia and the outlying countries such as sierra leone, etc... and Haiti. Not because of the race of the inhabitants but what the inhabitants are proclive to do.

While I don't believe that black people as a whole aren't civilized. It seems a little odd to me that in these countries they do nothing but exploit and kill one another. They don't seem advanced to me at all. That's saying nothing about the african american or those of a similar race brought up in less... volatile environments. However I find it sickening and rather annoying to hear about the revolutionary violence happening in these countries.

Take for instance the current conflict. A few months ago it was Liberia. Now it's Haiti. What has Aristide exactly done that merits a bloody revolution? I'm not too up on my history of that country or him for that matter, but it seems to me that these "people" seem to fly off the handle at every little thing.

Jesus. When our premier contemplated introducing privatization of healthcare there was a public outcry but we didn't start slaying civil servants in the streets... and what with that government sponsorship scandal in ottawa that revealed billions of taxpayers money wasted on what seems to be personal favors. You don't see people lopping heads off or crushing the faces of civil servants with rocks. Unless the president has been torturing people or something equally outrageous I just chalk it up to, once more. The unsophisticated population of some banana republic swept up into a murderous turmoil.

I would like to know what Aristide has done to incite such a bloody revolution that has resulted in my seeing people with mangled heads and bodies. It's sick. I'm compelled to spew vague epithets about certain types of people after what I've seen but I know better than that.

[MLF 0]

Canadian troops have secured the airport.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

It kind of pisses me off that Aristide decried the United States government as being racist for not sending an intervention task force.

Honestly Aristide. Shut up. I'm -so- tired of hearing about black people saying every white man is racist. Then again I'm Canadian and where I live there isn't a lot of racially motivated tension. I believe the United States has just bit off enough already and can't be trifling with the internicine conflicts of some small country. They went to Afghanistan motivated by a desire to capture Osama bin Laden. Someone associated with threatening their country. This internal conflict has nothing to do with the United States. I see it as Aristide playing the race card to generate sympathy. Which is nothing more to me if annoying.

While I don't believe myself to be racist I'm rather cynical in my opinion of places like Liberia and the outlying countries such as sierra leone, etc... and Haiti. Not because of the race of the inhabitants but what the inhabitants are proclive to do.

While I don't believe that black people as a whole aren't civilized. It seems a little odd to me that in these countries they do nothing but exploit and kill one another. They don't seem advanced to me at all. That's saying nothing about the african american or those of a similar race brought up in less... volatile environments. However I find it sickening and rather annoying to hear about the revolutionary violence happening in these countries.

Take for instance the current conflict. A few months ago it was Liberia. Now it's Haiti. What has Aristide exactly done that merits a bloody revolution? I'm not too up on my history of that country or him for that matter, but it seems to me that these "people" seem to fly off the handle at every little thing.

Jesus. When our premier contemplated introducing privatization of healthcare there was a public outcry but we didn't start slaying civil servants in the streets... and what with that government sponsorship scandal in ottawa that revealed billions of taxpayers money wasted on what seems to be personal favors. You don't see people lopping heads off or crushing the faces of civil servants with rocks. Unless the president has been torturing people or something equally outrageous I just chalk it up to, once more. The unsophisticated population of some banana republic swept up into a murderous turmoil.

I would like to know what Aristide has done to incite such a bloody revolution that has resulted in my seeing people with mangled heads and bodies. It's sick. I'm compelled to spew vague epithets about certain types of people after what I've seen but I know better than that.

Perhaps you would understand better if you were to read up on the history of Haiti.

These people had lived in a fascist dictatorship for decades, then Aristide promises them world, but can not deliver because of US pressure. Then US pressure allow him to come back in, but only in a down-sized version.

I am not sure what the current rioting is about, but I am guessing there is US meddling involved, like in the past.

It is not a case of indigenous people going bonkers over nothing. These are desperate people that have never experienced proper civilisation their entire lives, because corrupt dictators have made their lives hell.

Read "Killing Hope" by William Blum to understand why "The unsophisticated population of some banana republic swe[eps] up into a murderous turmoil."

[denoir 0]

If he has left the country the rebels can just take the country.

I think he doesn't care anymore

he never cared all that much either

How short people's memory is.

Aristide was a reformist president, one that wanted to turn Haiti from a country ruined by fascist dictators into a powerful carribean economy.

However, his policies had one downside. They encouraged land reform and nationalisation of businesses. The communist alarm bells rang loudly in Washington and they managed to oust him with the same method as now many years ago. Then Clinton managed to get him in, in return for very downsized reforms.

Looks like he did too much again. I would not be surprised at all if the CIA nation builders were at it again.

For those who think that I am talking tripe, have a read:

http://members.aol.com/bblum6/haiti2.htm

I read this book btw, the sources are all top-notch.

Interesting. Never knew that, but it makes sense.

[Baphomet 0]

Well. That may very well be true. I'm not unaware that the people in these countries must have their patience worn raw by the exploitation and violence they've lived with for so long.

Still. They're not breaking the cycle. Instead I see pictures in a news editorial of kids no more than 16 cheering with weapons of various types over a mangled body. It certainly seems like they've become so accustomed to such a lifestyle that they couldn't adopt a more peaceful form of living if they tried. Which is where my cynicism kicks in.

[denoir 0]

First French contingent lands in Haiti, US troops to follow.

Quote[/b] ]

French troops have landed in Haiti to join US and Canadian soldiers in an international force to restore order.

The first groups of about 50 French soldiers and 100 US marines will be followed by reinforcements in a mission backed by the United Nations.

Lawlessness ripped through the capital Port-au-Prince after President Jean-Bertrand Aristide fled into exile.

An overnight curfew brought some order to the streets, but control is still split between opposing armed gangs.

A total of about 200 French soldiers were expected to arrive in Haiti by Monday night, and Paris has also dispatched a platoon of police officers from a special riot control unit.

The BBC's Stephen Gibbs in Port-au-Prince says the international troops are entering a lawless city, with some evidence of vengeance killings as anti-government rebels clash with supporters of Mr Aristide.

But he says the amateur soldiers roaming the streets are likely to capitulate when faced with professionals from an international force.

Violence flared after Mr Aristide fled the country, with some of the widespread looting and destruction apparently a frustrated response to the ceding of power.

Mr Aristide, his wife and three children arrived in the Central African Republic early on Monday. It is not yet clear whether they will stay there or seek asylum in a third country.

Military arrivals

The first deployment of about 100 US marines is reported to be establishing a base at the airport in Port-au-Prince to secure it for future military arrivals.

Canadian special forces are also at the airport, where they are helping Canadian nationals who wish to leave Haiti.

US defence officials say additional troops will be sent to Haiti and the US will take initial command of the multinational force, though that could change once the full UN operation begins.

As well as trying to restore peace in Port-au-Prince, the US marines will help to deliver humanitarian assistance and repatriate any Haitians caught at sea.

The UN Security Council authorised a force to stay in Haiti for up to three months to restore security and stability on Sunday night. The emergency resolution was passed unanimously.

It is expected to be followed by a UN stabilisation force, probably including civilian police, which has no time limit.

UN Secretary General Kofi Annan said the international community needed to make a long-term commitment to Haiti.

"This time I hope... that we are not only going to help stabilise the current situation, but assist the Haitians over the long haul and really help them pick up the pieces and build a stable country," he said.

Peace pleas

All sides in the Haitian conflict have also called for peace.

Rebel leader Guy Philippe, who had been massing his men for an assault on the capital, welcomed the foreign intervention, saying the time for fighting was over.

"We just want peace," he told the BBC.

Interim leader Boniface Alexandre warned that the future would be difficult.

"Haiti is in crisis... It needs all its sons and daughters. No-one should take justice into their own hands," he urged.

Mr Aristide issues a statement from his temporary shelter in the Central African Republic, criticising the rebels who prompted the crisis by seizing towns and cities across the north in a month-long uprising.

"In overthrowing me, they cut down the tree of peace," he was quoted as saying by the Associated Press news agency.

"But it will grow again, because the roots are well-planted."

The violent protests stemmed from disputed elections in 2000, which the opposition says were rigged.

Quite an efficient response from the UN. Within a week they have deployed a multinational peace keeping force. It's a very small one, but still, it shows how the UN can indeed work well when the security council members are in agreement.

[MLF 0]

Seems the Marines have been issued with Marpat, just seen em on ITV, i thought it was a way of being issued.

[ran 0]

didn't take the time to check the unit the trops sent belong to

One thing is sure : they aren't Legionnaires

they're either from Martinique, elemets of the 33rd RIMa apparently

I yet have to receive official informations, but i'm pretty sure they're from the 33rd RIMa, i'll try to check their insignas

my bad, the 9th is in French Guyana , i'll have to revise all that

Medias said they were apart of a batallion Batallion, they could be apart of the 41st BIMa

Marine Troops aren't my stuff

[hellfish6 7]

They're 33rd RIMa. I was suprised to learn that some of the French overseas regiments recruit locally and have cadres that come from metropolitain France. If you see pics of these French marines, a large proportion of them are black - apparently this is because they are Martinique natives. Very interesting stuff.

[ran 0]

They're 33rd RIMa. I was suprised to learn that some of the French overseas regiments recruit locally and have cadres that come from metropolitain France. If you see pics of these French marines, a large proportion of them are black - apparently this is because they are Martinique natives. Very interesting stuff.

I think this dates back from the colonial era, we always recruited locals.

And I doubt any metropolitan first class would enjoy spending long months away from his homeland

[SpongeBob 0]

<a href="http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/01/1521216" target="_blank">Monday, March 1st, 2004

EXCLUSIVE BREAKING NEWS: PRESIDENT ARISTIDE SAYS 'I WAS KIDNAPPED' 'TELL THE WORLD IT IS A COUP'</a>

Quote[/b] ]Multiple sources that just spoke with Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide told Democracy Now! that Aristide says he was "kidnapped" and taken by force to the Central African Republic. Congressmember Maxine Waters said she received a call from Aristide at 9am EST. "He's surrounded by military. It's like he is in jail, he said. He says he was kidnapped," said Waters. She said he had been threatened by what he called US diplomats. According to Waters, the diplomats reportedly told the Haitian president that if he did not leave Haiti, paramilitary leader Guy Philippe would storm the palace and Aristide would be killed. According to Waters, Aristide was told by the US that they were withdrawing Aristide's US security.

TransAfrica founder and close Aristide family friend Randall Robinson also received a call from the Haitian president early this morning and confirmed Waters account. Robinson said that Aristide "emphatically" denied that he had resigned. "He did not resign," he said. "He was abducted by the United States in the commission of a coup." Robinson says he spoke to Aristide on a cell phone that was smuggled to the Haitian president.

Developing...

[hellfish6 7]

IIRC, Maxine Waters is a crackpot.

[MSpencer 0]

2,200 Marines were landed in Haiti today. As usual, with the UN, the only other people going in will be the Belgians and the Lithuanians...

Or some of those little countries...

[turms 0]

2,200 Marines were landed in Haiti today. As usual, with the UN, the only other people going in will be the Belgians and the Lithuanians...

Or some of those little countries...

Are you stuoid or do you just play to be stupid? From the article:

Quote[/b] ]French troops have landed in Haiti to join US and Canadian soldiers in an international force to restore order.

The first groups of about 50 French soldiers and 100 US marines will be followed by reinforcements in a mission backed by the United Nations.

Where did it say anything about lthuania or belgium? And please note that this is not a UN operation.

Read the article next time so you will now what are we talking about.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

2,200 Marines were landed in Haiti today. As usual, with the UN, the only other people going in will be the Belgians and the Lithuanians...

Or some of those little countries...

Are you stuoid or do you just play to be stupid? From the article:

Quote[/b] ]French troops have landed in Haiti to join US and Canadian soldiers in an international force to restore order.

The first groups of about 50 French soldiers and 100 US marines will be followed by reinforcements in a mission backed by the United Nations.

Where did it say anything about lthuania or belgium? And please note that this is not a UN operation.

Read the article next time so you will now what are we talking about.

Two things:

1) Your attitude and flaming is uncalled for.

2) If you read the articles on this topic closeley, you will see that this is indeed a UN operation.

[MLF 0]

From what i have seen the Marines seem to be a mixture of Marpat and Woodland, is it me or should thay have either or because tbh it just seems strange for the same units to have different cammo.