Doghunters from norway

[brgnorway 0]

Stop being such an asshole Garcia! I'm norwegian and what happened on the video has nothing to do with the soldiers being norwegian or not. Fact is, this outrageous behavior of animals are done by most military forces. The only difference is that the norwegian military are supposed to place higher ethical standards on killing of stray animals than most other peacekeeping forces. It is under investigation right now and people will be punished. Politicians, military authoroties and the public that is aware of this shameless behaviour demand it. I'm not proud of being norwegian for many things - but this incident has nothing to do with nationality. Norwegian peacekeepers are actually very well regarded all over the world for excellent work - and rightfully so!

Quote[/b] ]Half of the norwegian soldiers are killed in accidents during training

Well you don't have a fucking clue do you?

If you at least try to use your brain you would know that there is a reason for several norwegian conscripts dying every year! Try our environment: it's cold, deserted, wet, windy and with some of the most inhospitable coastal and mountanious environments in the world. I served one year north of the polar circle in -40 Celsius. I don't have a problem understanding why people die of cold and avalanches.

Apart from that I mostly agree with you. Read my post on page one if you need to update youself on my opinions.

[SpeedyDonkey 0]

What a story hellfish, im so sorry   A German shepard you say? damn those are the finest...

[denoir 0]

I havn't seen the video, but as I understand they were killing dogs for their sadistic pleasure. Well, they should be disciplined of course, especially if those dogs belonged to other people.

Stray dogs are however a major problem in Kosovo. First when the exodus of Albanians took place, a lot of people grabbed only the essentials and left their pets behind. The same thing happened later after the war when the Serbs left in large numbers.  While AFIK rabies isn't a too big problem, stray dogs are often very hungry and aggressive.

Personally, I have almost killed a stray dog. I was visiting a friend at Camp Victoria and we were going for a run in the morning when a dog ambushed us. He started to chase us and continued to do so for quite a while ... until it dawned on us that we actually outgunned him. In retrospect the dog was luckier than we were. We opened full automatic fire but missed badly due to the distance and the fact that we were still running. The dog got the hint and abandoned his chase. We on the other hand got into a lot of trouble for our..um unauthorized target practice on base grounds, six in the morning.  

[GoOB 0]

While AFIK rabies isn't a too big problem, stray dogs are often very hungry and aggressive.

Not to mention some are very agressive about people going near their property. As I hear that alot of the time dogs are "trained"* to be agressive against intruders and people they don't know. I hate to generalize but especially in former Yugoslavia, Armenia et cetera. And these dogs are dangerous to anyone, the only exception being their masters. I could just imagine a KFOR patrol walking by a house guarded by one of these dogs, they can tear your fingers off in seconds and sever your foot if they put their mind to it and catch you off guard. The only time dogs are dangerous are when they are stressed, very afraid and hurt. Or if they have been ill-treated by people. (EG, my dog liked cats until one cat lured him into a fight. He lost and now he runs after them at sight)

*Trained = Tortured, harassed and encouraged to bite. They refrain to bite their masters in fear, and bite others so that they can't do what their masters did to them.

[brgnorway 0]

Only a couple of things I'd like to say. Firstly, a person whom has no regard of animals - no empathy or respect of domestic and other animals is a person I would be very sceptic towards. Not only because of the lack of empathy towards animals but also (like that story Hellfish told us about) because I wonder how he treats people? Lack of compassion is not a good thing.

Secondly, the story goes on (in norwegian) :

From Aftenposten (Norway's most respected newspaper)

It seems the idiots accidentaly shot a person tending his garden. A shot from a military rifle wounded the poor man when the soldiers apparently tried to kill a dog. They drove him to hospital and gave him money to keep quiet. Let's hope this is not the only reason why the solders in the end will be prosecuted. I hate people who mistreat animals.

[Longinius 1]

Talk about stupid. Not only did they pull this stunt, which is probably illegal and definately morally wrong, but they also filmed it and kept the tape. After knowing they had injured a man.

Scarier still is, how many peacekeepers like this are there over the world (Norweigans and others, I think stupidity is worldwide) that never get caught?

[denoir 0]

Inter arma silent leges

It's the nature of the beast. In war times the soldiers have an enormous power relative the civilian population. Some abuse it. The most important thing is that the military authority doesn't look through the fingers. Unfortunately they do most of the time.

[ralphwiggum 6]

Personally, I have almost killed a stray dog. I was visiting a friend at Camp Victoria and we were going for a run in the morning when a dog ambushed us. He started to chase us and continued to do so for quite a while ... until it dawned on us that we actually outgunned him. In retrospect the dog was luckier than we were. We opened full automatic fire but missed badly due to the distance and the fact that we were still running. The dog got the hint and abandoned his chase. We on the other hand got into a lot of trouble for our..um unauthorized target practice on base grounds, six in the morning.  

did you learn to shoot from US army?

anyways, i wholeheartly agrree that the f***ers need to be seriously dealt with. such poor discipline will lead to bigger problems.

[denoir 0]

did you learn to shoot from US army?  

Obviously not as I did not shoot any British soldier or cause any other blue-on-blue incident

[brgnorway 0]

It is now not only under investigation by the norwegian military but it has also become a police investigation.

News from "Dagbladet" - in norwegian.

[Tamme 0]

What those soldiers did was horrible.

And I'm very sorry about what happened to Hellfish' dog. If I were in the same situation I would've broken the fuckers legs so they would've ended up in a wheelchair for the rest of their lives (or something like that, but nevertheless they would've suffered).

And even someone harassing my dog like that has already lost a tooth or two.

[ran 0]

did you learn to shoot from US army?

Obviously not as I did not shoot any British soldier or cause any other blue-on-blue incident

when you're facing a dangerous dog while carrying a loaded automatic gun ... just use your gun before anything else if the dog is aggressive ...... you'll spray . but this time it won't be pepper

[Garcia 0]

Stop being such an asshole Garcia! I'm norwegian and what happened on the video has nothing to do with the soldiers being norwegian or not. Fact is, this outrageous behavior of animals are done by most military forces. The only difference is that the norwegian military are supposed to place higher ethical standards on killing of stray animals than most other peacekeeping forces. It is under investigation right now and people will be punished. Politicians, military authoroties and the public that is aware of this shameless behaviour demand it. I'm not proud of being norwegian for many things - but this incident has nothing to do with nationality. Norwegian peacekeepers are actually very well regarded all over the world for excellent work - and rightfully so!

Well you don't have a fucking clue do you?

If you at least try to use your brain you would know that there is a reason for several norwegian conscripts dying every year! Try our environment: it's cold, deserted, wet, windy and with some of the most inhospitable coastal and mountanious environments in the world. I served one year north of the polar circle in -40 Celsius. I don't have a problem understanding why people die of cold and avalanches.

Apart from that I mostly agree with you. Read my post on page one if you need to update youself on my opinions.

I am norwegian too, and it was not meant searious...

What I mean, is that norwegian military should be more careful during trainings, that is, the officers...there are, in my opinion, too many poor norwegian soldiers that die in accidents which could be prevented.

And I know I made it sound like every soldier from norway shoots dogs for fun, but I know that ain't true.

Garcia

[bonko the sane 2]

this even appeared on the news here in my country, and some norwegian general was being interviewed saying those guys will be prosecuted.

[ArchangelSKT 0]

Well identifying them shouldn`t be to hard , hope they get what they deserve .

The reactions about this is surely pretty one-sided .

Allthough surely as pointed out earlier in the thread killing stray dogs was neccesary , sometimes the dogs even were tied I`ve heard and the owner asked soldier to shot it cause it was infected .

Hm wonder how well known this was among the soldiers down there , I have 3 friends who have served in Kosovo .

[brgnorway 0]

I am norwegian too, and it was not meant searious...

Heisan

There you go - norwegian and all. I was just a wee bit provoced and since I decided on my new "no more Mr Nice Guy" tactic - I just had to make a provocative answer.

Quote[/b] ]What I mean, is that norwegian military should be more careful during trainings, that is, the officers...there are, in my opinion, too many poor norwegian soldiers that die in accidents which could be prevented.

Well, I do agree that there have been too many deaths recently - mostly due to incompetent officers whom have just finished thier training at the academy. It goes without saying that a 19 year old seargant is not allways well qualified in calculating risks etc.

However, there is a lot of dangers for our soldiers and many of them difficult to foresee, but the rivercrossing where a young soldier drowned recently is shocking evidence of officer incompetence.

[andersgrim 0]

According to Aftenposten, killing those dogs was actually their mission. Homeless dogs might spread illness and disease in the area, aswell as the dogs was said to be annoying and a small threat to the locals. As for the dog killed in front of its house, the owner actually wanted the dog killed, and asked the Norwegian army.

One of the soldiers have said something like that dying digs is hard for us to see, as we live in a country where dogs and cats are innocent pets, but in this area dogs spread disease etc.

Although it was their mission, the dogs was supposed to be killed with either a shotgun or a 9mm sidearm, not sub machine guns etc, and they were supposed to be shot near a wall or so to secure the background.

But the most pathetic is to let children watch while bursting some MP5 rounds into a living creature.

Oh, I remember the days I used to be a proud norwegian :\

[Colossus 2]

Im from Norway and I think this is a stupid thing to do.

Have you seen the film?

It has heavy rock in the background. Its like Jackass with no humor. Its just stupid.

[Longinius 1]

"According to Aftenposten, killing those dogs was actually their mission."

It might have been their mission but they were piss-poor at what they did.

You dont hunt animals with assaultrifles, SMG's and pistols. You use a rifle.

I have an extremely hard time believing that among all these UN troops and local civilians there were no trained and experienced hunters.

And they even hit a civilian while "hunting" and shot animals in plain sight of children. Yeah, good job!

[ran 0]

You dont hunt animals with assaultrifles, SMG's and pistols. You use a rifle.

you do with what you have

[Longinius 1]

And if what you have requires, what, 7 shots close range to kill a dog, maybe you should look around for an actual hunting rifle. And preferably a hunter.

[ran 0]

a single well aimed 5.56 or 7.65 round is more than enough

[iNeo 0]

Not for them it wasn't

[ran 0]

what they've done is just plain wrong, i've never said the contrary

[brgnorway 0]

a single well aimed 5.56 or 7.65 round is more than enough

No it's not, which is why you are required to use a shotgun. A dog very much resembles a fox (which in fact is a dog) and the reason for using a shotgun is that it gives almost instant death due to the impact. An assault rifle/submachine gun penetrates but doesn't deliver a serious enough blow to the body of the animal. A 9mm is not supposed to be used for hunting purposes other than killing a wounded dog or close range killing.