Us presidential election 2004

[walker 0]

Hi all

Bush has started to fill the draft boards preparitory to the February draft.

Advertisements for the draft board jobs have started to apear

http://www.thememoryhole.org/mil/defendamerica-draftboards.htm

Quote[/b] ]Draft Board Vacancies Prompt Questions of a Draft

11/10/2003

By Kevin Wuzzardo/WCJB TV 20 News

As casualties mount in Iraq, there are rumblings the Bush Administration could bring back the draft to ensure there are enough soldiers. Rumors have swirled because the Pentagon is looking for people to train to serve on local draft boards.

The Selective Service System, with which American men must register at age 18 for the potential of a draft, says efforts to fill the spots is only because 20-year terms started expiring in 1999. A local expert says there's no chance of the draft coming back, especially in an election year.

"To institute a draft when you need only a tiny percentage of the population to serve in the military would inevitably be divisive, because it would raise questions of who serves and who doesn't serve," UF history professor Robert McMahon says.

One of five spots to serve on an Alachua County draft board is currently open. If you'd like more information about serving on a draft board you can check out the link on our web site.

http://www.wcjb.com/news.asp?id=8558

Kind Regards Walker

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Bush has started to fill the draft boards preparitory to the February draft.

Come on, Walker!!! Do something better...

[DanAK47 1]

Quote[/b] ]A local expert says there's no chance of the draft coming back, especially in an election year.

"To institute a draft when you need only a tiny percentage of the population to serve in the military would inevitably be divisive, because it would raise questions of who serves and who doesn't serve," UF history professor Robert McMahon says.

Do you accept my bet?

[EiZei 0]

Dont think draft will be necessary unless Kim/Iran goes apeshit.

[walker 0]

Hi all

US Selctive service already has the plan for 2005 a 28 million dollar budget has allready been aproved to get the Draft ready straight after the election

Quote[/b] ]EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

The Selective Service System (SSS), in accordance with the provisions of the Government Performance and Results Act (GPRA), developed this Annual Performance Plan (APP) for FY 2004. This Plan, aligned with the SSS’ Strategic Plan (FY 2001 - 2006), is an outgrowth of extensive internal evaluations of Agency statutory responsibilities viewed in light of new challenges, fiscal issues, and needs of Agency customers. Measurement of the Agency’s institutional progress toward improvement in programmatic activities, service to customers, and the prudent management of fiscal resources forms the basis for the development of this plan. Ultimately, performance measurement provides the path of accountability between the Agency’s long-term vision and the day-to-day activities of its employees.

MISSION

The mission is to provide both trained and untrained personnel to the Department of Defense (DoD) in the event of a national emergency. Additionally, the Agency also provides a program of alternative service for men from its manpower pool who seek and are granted conscientious objector status.

http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html

Kind Regards Walker

[Bernadotte 0]

BTW, denior, I thank you for keeping this civil.  I see so many posts in this thread that are absolutely scathing that I really was afraid to post here.

It generally goes both ways. It's people that start off rude that get personally attacked.

And then there's billiybob who has over time earned his position as a punching bag.  

Whatever would make you say such a thing, denoir?  

Quote[/b] ]Bush has started to fill the draft boards preparitory to the February draft.

Come on, Walker!!! Do something better...

 

[Bernadotte 0]

The New York Review of Books invited 14 regular contributors to submit brief essays on the implications of this year's presidential elections.  Their attached cartoon may offer a warning to those blissfully satisfied with the status quo.

However, they don't all start off as anti-Bush as this one:

Quote[/b] ]The present administration has been astonishingly successful in getting the American public to accept its very idiosyncratic version of events—for example, that while the polar icecap is melting and the snows of Kilimanjaro are vanishing, the threat of global warming is not an immediate concern; that Saddam Hussein assisted Osama bin Laden in the September 11 attacks, so that the invasion of Iraq is part of the war on terrorism; that vast increases in the budget deficit and the national debt are unimportant and can best be solved by tax cuts; or that, regardless of an increasingly violent and spreading insurgency, Iraq is well on the way to reconstruction and democracy. Such fantasies, however successful at home, have had the opposite effect abroad.

-- Brian Urquhart

[DanAK47 1]

Quote[/b] ]US Selctive service already has the plan for 2005 a 28 million dollar budget has allready been aproved to get the Draft ready straight after the election

A whole 4 million more than the 1998 budget allocation. - Whoops, I was wrong on this. Apparently the rate is flat.

Edit: http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx@docID=200.html

[walker 0]

Hi all

I prefer the original sources copy of the Department of Defense (Personnel & Readiness) and the selective service system report. The one that signaled the fact that Bush has been planning the 2005 draft back as early as the end of 2003

http://blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

Exerpt from page 3

It makes it clear that middle class college kids will be the primary target of the draft.

Kind Regards Walker

[red oct 2]

The New York Review of Books invited 14 regular contributors to submit brief essays on the implications of this year's presidential elections. Their attached cartoon may offer a warning to those blissfully satisfied with the status quo.

http://www.nybooks.com/images/levines/cheney_dick-20041104.1.gif

However, they don't all start off as anti-Bush as this one:

Quote[/b] ]The present administration has been astonishingly successful in getting the American public to accept its very idiosyncratic version of events—for example, that while the polar icecap is melting and the snows of Kilimanjaro are vanishing, the threat of global warming is not an immediate concern; that Saddam Hussein assisted Osama bin Laden in the September 11 attacks, so that the invasion of Iraq is part of the war on terrorism; that vast increases in the budget deficit and the national debt are unimportant and can best be solved by tax cuts; or that, regardless of an increasingly violent and spreading insurgency, Iraq is well on the way to reconstruction and democracy. Such fantasies, however successful at home, have had the opposite effect abroad.

-- Brian Urquhart

heh, i love bush cartoons. best one is this Doonsbury comic:

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2004/db041010.gif

[denoir 0]

The New York Review of Books invited 14 regular contributors to submit brief essays on the implications of this year's presidential elections.  Their attached cartoon may offer a warning to those blissfully satisfied with the status quo.

Thanks for the link - really a good read. Unfortunately I doubt those authors' essays will make any difference.

They are too well written and too intellectual. The group of people who can appreciate them are already most likely against Bush anyway.

[DanAK47 1]

"Medical personnel, linguists, computer network engineers" all young people who are going to college?

[billybob2002 0]

http://www.factcheck.org/article282.html

Quote[/b] ]

Just How Many Bills Has Kerry Passed?

Bush said Kerry passed five bills. Kerry said he's passed 56. Who's right? That depends on the definition of "passed" and "bills."

October 15, 2004

Modified: October 16, 2004

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Summary

At the final presidential debate, Bush said Kerry had passed only five bills during his career, and Kerry said he had passed 56. Actually, we found eleven measures authored by Kerry have been signed into law, including a save-the-dolphins law, a law naming a federal building, a law giving a posthumous award to Jackie Robinson last year, and laws declaring "world population awareness weeks" in 1989 and 1991.

Bush counted only measures technically defined as "bills," leaving out four "joint resolutions" that also have the force of law, and he also omitted two laws whose House versions were adopted in a form nearly identical to Senate versions authored by Kerry.

When Kerry said "I've actually passed 56 individual bills that I've personally written" he was counting everything that had passed the Senate, whether or not it cleared the House. He also counts 24 resolutions that have no force of law.

Analysis

During the Oct. 13 debate in Tempe, AZ,  Bush and Kerry contradicted each other on the number of bills Kerry has passed. Both can't be right, so we asked each campaign for their list of specific bills, and we took a look. What we found is that both men were playing word games.

Passed How Many Bills?

Bush: He introduced some 300 bills and he's passed five.

Kerry: Once again, the president is misleading America. I've actually passed 56 individual bills that I've personally written and, in addition to that, and not always under my name, there is (sic) amendments on certain bills.

Bush: "passed five"

When Bush said Kerry "passed five" bills, he was counting five bills Kerry authored that passed the Senate, the House, were signed by the president, and became law.

That's technically accurate but omits six other pieces of Kerry legislation that have become law.

The Bush campaign's backup lists five bills, which we verified:

S.791:  Authorizes $53 million over four years to provide grants to woman-owned small businesses. (1999)

S.1206: Names a federal building in Waltham, Massachusetts after Frederick C. Murphy, who was killed in action during World War II and awarded (posthumously) the Medal of Honor. (1994)

S.1636: A save-the-dolphins measure aiming “to improve the program to reduce the incidental taking of marine mammals during the course of commercial fishing operations.†(1994)

S.1563: Funding the National Sea Grant College Program, which supports university-based research, public education, and other projects “to promote better understanding, conservation and use of America’s coastal resources.†(1991)

S.423: Granting a visa and admission to the U.S. as a permanent resident to Kil Joon Yu Callahan. (1987)

The Bush campaign left out two bills authored by Kerry which passed the Senate and later became law in a slightly different form approved by the House, under the same titles and mostly same substance. (This occurs when House and Senate versions differ so slightly that one house adopts the other's version rather than go to the trouble of a House-Senate conference to work out a compromise.) The citations were provided by the Kerry campaign, and we verified them:

H.R.1900 (S.300): Awarded a congressional gold medal to Jackie Robinson (posthumously), and called for a national day of recognition. (2003)

H.R.1860 (S.856): Increased the maximum research grants for small businesses from $500,000 to $750,000 under the Small Business Technology Transfer Program. (2001)

In a related article in January we quoted an Associated Press article that turned up only eight laws that bear Kerry's name. The AP's count omits these two House measures which technically don't bear Kerry's name and a private law (S.423) granting a visa and permanent residency to Kil Joon Yu Callahan  that we are including in our count of 11.

We've also included -- as did The AP -- four "joint resolutions" that are not technically "bills" but which have the same force when passed by both houses and are signed into law by the president. All four created national events:

S.J.Res.158: To make the week of Oct. 22 – Oct. 28, 1989 “World Population Awareness Week.†(1989)

S.J.Res.160: To renew “World Population Awareness Week†for 1991. (1991)

S.J.Res.318: To make Nov. 13, 1992 “Vietnam Veterans Memorial 10th Anniversary Day.†(1992)

S.J.Res.337: To make Sept. 18, 1992 “National POW/MIA Recognition Day." (1992)

Kerry: "passed 56"

Kerry counted all measures he wrote that were approved by the Senate. While Bush defined “bills†in the strictest sense, Kerry included bills, joint resolutions, concurrent resolutions with no force of law, and even simple Senate resolutions that aren't even considered by the House.  Kerry would have been more accurate to say he wrote 56 "measures" that passed the Senate, including 11 that became law. (Kerry's total of 56 does not include the private law.)

Padding the Numbers

Of Kerry's total, 24 were concurrent resolutions or simple Senate resolutions that had no chance of becoming law. Some examples.

S.Res.123: To change the name of the Committee on Small Business to the "Committee on Small Business and Entrepreneurship." (2001)

S.Res.133: To make May 21, 1991 “National Land Trust Appreciation Day.†(1991)

S.Res.144: To encourage the European Community to vote to ban driftnets for all European Community fishing fleets. (1991 )

S.Res.216:  Honoring Milton D. Stewart for his leadership and service at the Small Business Administration. (2002)

S.Con.Res.26: Calling for the United States to support a new agreement providing for a ban on commercial mining of minerals in Antarctica. (1991)

Kerry's total also includes 10 Senate-passed bills that would have done nothing more than grant waivers to specific foreign-built vessels to transport cargo or people along the US coastline despite a 1920 law requiring that only US-built vessels be allowed to operate between US ports. Because there were 10 different vessels, Kerry introduced 10 separate bills. All died in the House.

So it goes,

 

[walker 0]

Hi all

Bush Admits he wants to bring back the draft

Bush just admitted on TV he intends to bring back the Draft.

Bush said, "I made it very plain: We will not have an all-volunteer army." at a rally in Sunrise, near Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

Kind Regards Walker

[theavonlady 2]

Hi all

Bush Admits he wants to bring back the draft

Bush just admitted on TV he intends to bring back the Draft.

Bush said, "I made it very plain: We will not have an all-volunteer army." at a rally in Sunrise, near Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

I suggest you look up the news, as quoted by all major agencies. For example:

Quote[/b] ]Remarks BY President Bush at Sunrise, Florida Victory 2004 Rally

............

Our strategy is clear: We're defending the homeland; we're transforming our military -- we will keep the all-volunteer army an all-volunteer army.

.............

But in truth, here's your source:

Quote[/b] ]Bush Says He's Best Protection From Draft

................

Campaigning in an area heavily dependent on the military, Bush said, "We will not have an all-volunteer army" before correcting himself. "Let me restate that," he continued. "We will not have a draft ... . The best way to avoid a draft is to vote for me."

................

Freudian slip on Bush's part, perhaps?

Or a misleading link picked up on your part?

[Badgerboy 0]

Or the fact that the poor guy can't string more than three words together without tripping up?

[walker 0]

Hi Avon

I am just quoting what the George Bush Junior says I can not help it if he flip flops all the time.

Bush decides he wants to bring in the draft in 2003 then Bush flip flops about doing the anoucement before the election he put the budget there to do it then Bush flip flops and tells everyone to hang fire till after the elction.

Bush anounced he is going to have the Draft.

Quote[/b] ]Bush said, "I made it very plain: We will not have an all-volunteer army."

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/16/election.main/index.html

Now you can argue it was a mistake and that Bush is not a great communicator, or it was a premature anoucement and he wont be making it untill after the election and he got his speeches mixed up because he did not have his hump on today.

Or that Bush flip flops on what he says he is going to do by the second.

Or you can argue its a freudian slip because starting the draft after the election is what TBA has been talking about in the cabinet and planning for in the Pentagon. There is plenty of evidence to show it in the planning of the SSS and the pentagon.

But the plane fact is that he said it.

Kind Regards Walker

[theavonlady 2]

But the plane fact is that he said it.

I take back the possibility that you were misled by some misquoting or dishonest story or blog item.

You are the misleader here.

While Bush may or may not have made a Freudian slip, you've made a Moorian slop. Half quotes, distorting the context.

Sadly,

Avon

[m21man 0]

"We will double our special forces to conduct terrorist operations" - John Kerry

@Walker - Since you're so literal and refuse to believe in the possibility of politicians making verbal slips (Even if the politician corrects himself immediately afterward ), then I assume that you believe that John Kerry will start sending out SEALs to blow up schools as soon as he's elected President ?

[denoir 0]

"We will double our special forces to conduct terrorist operations" - John Kerry

Hehe, I was just to post the same thing.

Bush misspoke - nothing unusual for him and hardly newsworthy.

As for will happen with a draft, I believe that Bush will rather take the same path as in Afghanistan. If things go out of control, he'll declare mission accomplished and pull out.

[Colossus 2]

OMG, lol. I have never seen so many propaganda movies in my

entire life, this is real commercial that is show here.

It's a real TV war going on.

Check this out: The Living Room Candidate

[denoir 0]

Check this out: The Living Room Candidate

LMAO. Great

The dems should air some of Bush's 2000 ads - for instance the one promising not to spend the surplus

Overall this year, the Bush ads are orders of magnitude better than the Kerry ones.

[NavyEEL 0]

Quote[/b] ]Bush said, "I made it very plain: We will not have an all-volunteer army."

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/16/election.main/index.html

Now you can argue it was a mistake and that Bush is not a great communicator, or it was a premature anoucement and he wont be making it untill after the election and he got his speeches mixed up because he did not have his hump on today.

Or that Bush flip flops on what he says he is going to do by the second.

Or you can argue its a freudian slip because starting the draft after the election is what TBA has been talking about in the cabinet and planning for in the Pentagon. There is plenty of evidence to show it in the planning of the SSS and the pentagon.

But the plane fact is that he said it.

Kind Regards Walker

...or you can argue that he is only human and happened to make a mistake in what he was saying. I mean, God forbid that someone should actually mis-phrase something and have to make a correction... how dare he!

And no, we will not have a draft under Bush--thanks for your concern though!

[bn880 5]

Well you already havea back-door draft. Which is how the forces are currently deployed. Recalling, redeploying etc.

[Bernadotte 0]

I seriously doubt Kerry will lose NJ, NH, FL, NM, IA and MO.  Just those would give Kerry 297 vs the 270 needed to win.  AR, WS, OH and VA are also shifting to Kerry and would give him another 49.

TODAY:  Kerry 243   Bush 257

New Jersey (NJ) => Kerry

Florida (FL) => tie

...Another day, another state.  

TODAY:  Kerry 253   Bush 247

Wisconsin (WS) => Kerry