Us presidential election 2004

[Cpt. Bazikian-5thSFG- 0]

If you don't like it, then you should have elected a better candidate.

oh, so now we should elect our president on the interests of the European people?

[denoir 0]

@ Nov. 04 2004,16:53)]thats because there is a general concensus on these forums that we cannot agree to disagree....

If we agreed to disagree, what on earth would a discussion forum be good for? We debate political issues here. The whole concept of that is based on not agreeing.

If you don't like that concept or if you are afraid of the big scary liberals and those other people that are not even Americans... well, nobody forces you to read or post here. The internet is a big place, I'm sure there's something out there that suits you better.

[ralphwiggum 6]

yes, no one is pointing gun at your head to post here. if you want to leave do so.

second, keep driving off topic and you will be dealt with.

[Jinef 2]

Quote[/b] ]The internet is a big place, I'm sure there's something out there that suits you better.

Like a virtual children's play area.

[Monkey Lib Front 10]

@ Nov. 04 2004,15:53)]thats because there is a general concensus on these forums that we cannot agree to disagree....

It's called Discussion.

Quote[/b] ]oh, so now we should elect our president on the interests of the European people?

no he never said that, but a suggestion would be one that isn't as ignorant or biggoted as an Iranian Mullar.

-Sorry back on topic-

Erm can we have this Thread renamed US politics? and Discuss how Ashcroft is leaving?

[denoir 0]

@ Nov. 04 2004,16:56)]

If you don't like it, then you should have elected a better candidate.

oh, so now we should elect our president on the interests of the European people?

No, but you can't have it both ways. If you elect a candidate that pisses off the world, then you have to take the consequences of it.

If the consequences bother you too much - well, then yes, you should factor that in into your decision.

In any case, you are held accountable to what you do. Four more years for Bush isn't going to be popular around the world and people have the right to express their opinion.

[FallenPaladin 0]

Well, at least George W. Bush`s re-election will keep the world a really interesting place. Whatever that will mean for all of us...

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Hey FallenPaladin, welcome Back!  

But back to the topic.

The US is a global player with a very proactive global strategy. The decision of the president affect all countries worldwide.

If one thinks that this forum is biased or onesided then this is the effect of a candidate who arrogantly disrespected former friends.

Unlike in the US the world is not split 50/50 in favour or against Bush but pretty much 85% against him, therefore you get the impression that this forum is not equilibrated. This board is nothing else than a mirror of the international society.

You can visit many international boards and I assure you that as soon as there are non-americans participating you will find that the majority supports Kerry.

If you wish it the other way around then go to military.com, a very right wing and conservative board. But you wont find many international members there. It is a hard choice but trust me this forum is much more fair and polite than other boards around, and there are many americans on this board who actively defend their position.

It costs a lot of energy but it is definetly better than listening to what your politicians and media tell you about the other part of the world. Here you get the unbiased opinion of people from all around the world.

[SpongeBob 0]

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]I thought you are not republican!

I won the bet.

@placebo: a duel is coming...

[Blake 0]

Remember to visit www.johnkerry.com to collect election memorablia ;) Those pictures of pins and posters might come useful nostalgia in the next 4 years...

[billybob2002 0]

Bob: Please remove that image because that amounts to flame baiting.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Remember to visit www.johnkerry.com to collect election memorablia ;) Those pictures of pins and posters might come useful nostalgia in the next 4 years...

 

[denoir 0]

Bob: Please remove that image because that amounts to flame baiting.

How do you figure? It's a news paper cover. Like this one better?

ps. I find your user name offensive and I feel tempted to flame you for it. Please change it.

[KaRRiLLioN 0]

Or change this topic to:

"The desperate search for that silver lining".

I stayed up until 3:40am EST watching the returns. I know a lot of people don't like or understand the electoral college, but it sure makes for exciting times. It'd be so boring just watching a single national number. :P

I have 2 main wishes that I hope can be fulfilled now that the Rep's have almost a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

1. Scrap tax code and put into place something like the Fair Tax act, i.e. a national sales tax and dump all income taxes for individuals and corporations.

2. Reform Social Security and allow younger citizens to invest a portion in secure investments while still paying out to seniors.

The Rep's have absolutely NO excuses now for not fulfilling one of the two. They are in a better position now than they ever have been. I just hope they don't go off on a social tangent, i.e. constitutional amendment against gay marriage BS. There's so much that needs reforming in gov't.

I'm having to temper my enthusiasm, however, because I know how all politicians can be.

[Blake 0]

Quote[/b] ]yeah sure blake, do you realy believe digital images will have a collectors value one day? Man you are too deep into virtual reality!

One day you might not find them in Google ;)

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]How do you figure? It's a news paper cover. Like this one better?

Who cares because it is flame-baiting. It insults a lot of americans. You do not want me to piss all over your country and you.

Quote[/b] ]ps. I find your user name offensive and I feel tempted to flame you for it. Please change it.

Go ahead!   I took this name to piss off a racist.

[kerosene 0]

I live in london, and something i find funny is that so many tabloid reading idiots have all these opinions since Bush got in, they churn out the usual he stupid, blah,blah, even though they have no interest in politics and couldnt tell you why they think that or what Bush represents, most of them would BE Bush voters if they were american.

So thanks America four more years of twats who work in offices repeating tired cliches and then staring blankly at you if your stupid enough to assume that an opionion on something means that you konw or care about the subject.

Once again, i've gotta say this election reveals no more about the U.S population than the last one, they lean more towards the right than europeans and always have.  

Personally I think the fact that peple of all different races think of themselves as American makes nationalism less obvious and not so tied in with racism, and thats one of the reasons for that leaing to the right and the fact that people in the U.S are keener on flag waving and stuff.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

BTW, do you people think that the Kyoto treaty is dead now? I was quite optimistica after Russia joined. But is the treaty gonna be validated without the US. Dont forget that most european nations are on the paying side and we still support it.

[whisperFFW06 0]

Quote[/b] ]How do you figure? It's a news paper cover. Like this one better?

Who cares because it is flame-baiting. It insults a lot of americans. You do not want me to piss all over your country and you.

Like your medias and even politicians did with my country?

[billybob2002 0]

Quote[/b] ]Like your medias and even politicians did with my country?

Do I post that stuff on this forums? No because it is country bashing and flame baiting.

[kerosene 0]

I have 2 main wishes that I hope can be fulfilled now that the Rep's have almost a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

1.  Scrap tax code and put into place something like the Fair Tax act, i.e. a national sales tax and dump all income taxes for individuals and corporations.

2.  Reform Social Security and allow younger citizens to invest a portion in secure investments while still paying out to seniors.

The Rep's have absolutely NO excuses now for not fulfilling one of the two.  They are in a better position now than they ever have been.  I just hope they don't go off on a social tangent, i.e. constitutional amendment against gay marriage BS.  There's so much that needs reforming in gov't.

Dude, scrapping income tax is crap idea. A sales tax as an alternative would work like a flat rate of income tax, Bushs social security plan sounded like something he made up to fill up airtime on the debate.

If really want these things seek out your nearest libetarian party, no major political party would make a change like scrapping income tax.

[whisperFFW06 0]

Quote[/b] ]Like your medias and even politicians did with my country?

Do I post that stuff on this forums? No because it is country bashing and flame baiting.

Neither do I, just wanted to point that some pple are less regarding, and not only on a little gaming forum ;)

[SpongeBob 0]

Billybob

When looking at that headline, just keep in mind that UK's population is  58,789,194.    

Anyways, the Mirror isn't all that bad:

Quote[/b] ]MY VOTE WAS CAST IN SPACE

Nov 4 2004

By Vanessa Allen

IT was one small vote for astronaut Leroy Chiao, but a giant step for his ballot paper.

He was the first spaceman to vote in a presidential election, from 225 miles above Earth on the international space station.

His ballot travelled via a secure email connection to Houston, then to the Galveston county clerk's office, Texas, his home state.

It was encrypted so it could not be read until it reached base.

Leroy, 44, who is not due back on Earth for another five months, said he thought long and hard about his decision.

On casting his vote - he wouldn't say for whom - he added: "It was a neat moment. It's important to show that every vote does count."

[shinRaiden 0]

And what do you suppose Kerry would do about the situation with Arafat?

Quote[/b] ]

Palestinian President Yasser Arafat died in the Percy military hospital near Paris, Proche Orient Info, a French newspaper that covers the Middle East reported Thursday evening.

Radio Monte-Carlo also reported on Thursday evening that Yasser Arafat is clinically dead.

Proche Orient reported that doctors decided to take Arafat off the artificial respirator on Thursday evening at about 5:30 p.m.

Channel two reported that the Israel Defense Forces received information Thursday from a "very reliable source" that Yasser Arafat died in hospital at about 5:30 p.m. Israel time.

At a press conference at Percy Military Hospital held at 6:30 p.m. officials said Arafat was not dead, but did not give his condition. The officials said Arafat was taken to intensive care so that "he could get the treatment required for his illness."

Senior Arafat aide Mohammed Rashid on Thursday eveing said Arafat is still alive, Channel 2 reported. PA Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei Mohammed Dahlan denied the reports, Al Arabiyeh reported.

The commanders of the Palestinian security forces have been summoned to an urgent meeting in Ramallah Thursday night following reports that Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat was in critical condition.

PA Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei is expected to head to the Gaza Strip on Friday for talks with representatives of all the Palestinian factions on the latest developments surrounding Arafat's illness.

Earlier, the Fatah central council held an emergency meeting in the Mukata compound to discuss Arafat's condition.

There are conflicting reports as to Arafat's medical condition, though most sources agree that his situation is very serious.

French television station LCI quoted an anonymous French medical source saying Arafat was in an "irreversible coma" and "intubated" - a process that involves threading a tube down the windpipe to the lungs, often to connect a respirator.

The source said Arafat was taken into intensive care Thursday morning because he was unconscious. The source said Arafat was put on a respirator, and that he is not responding to the medication he is receiving.

"I don't think he stands a chance of getting up out of the coma," the source told French TV.

The source continued, "In the past three years, Arafat's health was neglected, and this is what brought on this deterioration."

Arafat aide Imad Shakur told Channel 2 that, "it is no secret that Arafat's condition is critical."

Negotiations Minister Saeb Erekat spoke to reporters in the Mukata Thursday afternoon saying, "Suha [Arafat] told me a few minutes ago that he is in stable but difficult condition and the doctors are continuing their examinations. I don't think that President Arafat is in a coma. I was told that he is not in intensive care."

However, speaking from Paris, Nabil Abu Rudeineh, Arafat's advisor, said Thursday, "I can assure you Arafat is not in a coma, that is only a rumor. He is in intensive care because his doctors decided yesterday to carry out medical tests."

Mohammed Rashid, Arafat's financial adviser, concurred saying, "Last night, several blood and bone marrow tests were done that required the president to be in an isolation unit for several hours, and there is no truth to any of the reports that he is in a coma," Rashid said.

A press conference from Paris is expected sometime on Thursday to discuss Arafat's worsening medical condition.

Senior Israeli security officials met Thursday to hear assessments regarding Arafat's condition.

Arafat lost consciousness three times on Thursday after being rushed into intensive care at the Percy Military Hospital of Clamart, outside Paris.

In the West Bank city of Ramallah, senior Palestinian officials convened an emergency meeting after learning of the deterioration in Arafat's condition, said Sakher Habash, a member of the Central Committee of the ruling Fatah movement.

Former Palestinian Authority prime minister Mahmoud Abbas (Abu Mazen) decided not to fly to Paris Thursday after being told that he would not be able to see Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat because of his worsening medical condition, Army Radio reported.

Arafat was flown to the French hospital on Friday, two days after his ailment caused him to lose consciousness for a short time at his West Bank headquarters.

Jerusalem Post